Fascist rise in europe

[Agritum]

So, who are these "Waffen-SS"? Never heard of them, are they a sports team?

I prefer your picture to this http://www.google.gr/imgres?hl=el&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1333&bih=645&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=9lWKsHGc0qXe3M:&imgrefurl=http://hellenicrevenge.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post_479.html&docid=8a8HJ0SzBR-2JM&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SFZt0tl-B3U/R0m60L5pDGI/AAAAAAAABBY/G732a8hWZf8/s400/simaiakapsimo%252525CF%25252586%252525CE%252525BB%252525CE%252525B1%252525CE%252525B3.jpg&w=300&h=400&ei=NQxvUNXHL8ak4gT-y4H4Dw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=519&sig=112415651054890130353&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=145&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:71&tx=121&ty=83

Lrn 2 URL shortener.
Also, I think that anarchists simply burning a flag are preferable to Neo-Nazis which most likely beat up immigrants as their pastime.

[Agritum]

Lrn 2 URL shortener.
Also, I think that anarchists simply burning a flag are preferable to Neo-Nazis which most likely beat up immigrants.

Fixed it for you.And if you think that it is just a flag... I cant even comment on that

It's just a flag. Most likely they are unhappy with the government represented by that flag and they are burning it in protest.

and no fixes on my watch

[Agritum]

Man, I'm leftist and, although I think fascism it's the most repulsive ideology, I don't think it should be banned (like nazism in Germany) becouse It's, as you've said, very ironic.

Now, don't generalize, most leftists want freedom of speech, even to the fascists

Νοt in greece my friend.They even try to ban golden dawn as a party.And we dont ignore zaras cause he is liberal,more likely cause he has no points and calls us 'biggoted' and 'idiots' cause his liberal ideas are superior to ours

I would ban a party whose members actively participate in violence, or atleast arrest the ones promoting said violence and forcing said party to campaign in a more civil and pacifical way.

[Agritum]

Melas, you should stop using "Paki" in your posts. It's almost like the N word, in terms of offence.

[Agritum]

Let them come. I always envied the International Brigades. Anti-Fascist militia fighting seemed so Romantic!

Enough for Ernest Hemingway to write a book about it, in fact.

[Agritum]

Please, stop with the Greek.
We aren't all from Hellas.

[Agritum]

Fascism is a disgrace to humanity and I sincerely hope that the Greek government finds a way of dissolving Golden Dawn.

If the greek people want Golden Dawn the goverment has no right to ban it

Dear God, only that percentage of Greeks wants it. What it was, about 10% or 12%?

[Agritum]

Which is why South Korea, ravaged in the 1950s due to European and American superpowers fighting each other in a proxy war, has developed from a level of development similar to Uganda's to one eleven times better.

bu..but.. the white devils are to blame

Nanoha ruined Africa.

[Agritum]

IRA disarmed and the only thing remaining of it its the politica, wing, Sinn Feinn (which is still a quite important party in Northhern Ireland.
If I recall well, the current leaders of Sinn Fein heavily distance thenselves from movements such as PIRA and Real IRA.

[Agritum]

Last time I checked, it was the Greek government who sowed the seeds of the Greek economy's destruction, not the Germans.

When did I mention greece?

Most likely since this thread is supposed to be about "rising fascism" all over Europe. But it's really a blatant way to replace the locked Golden Dawn thread.

[Agritum]

hitler collapsed it more

Not really before Hitler came in the Economy was shit Hitler improved it

I re-direct you to Cennairceach's in-depth posts.

[Alaje]

I said this before...the individual has a fundamental human right to discriminate against or associate with any other individual or group as long as he peacefully respects the right of others to do the same.

I say it again.

There. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. A. Right. To. Discriminate.

End of fucking story.

Zar, chill with the bold caps bro.

I agree, there is a difference between simply having an opinion and actually acting out one's bigotry.

[Alaje]

Not one you people wouldnt call a nazi site

So your Nazi friends are talking bollocks and you're trying to pass this off as fact.

That's nice.

Not one you people wouldnt call a nazi site

So you don't have a source?

Just post it bro, if you have a source. It couldn't hurt.

[Allemonde]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuR0hO4uX7E - Here's a campaign video for one of the most right-wing parties in Europe, and also one of the most popular ones.

Does everyone have to use the music from on Requiem for a Dream on Youtube??? It's so overdone an overused.

[ArghNeedAName]

There isn't really a rise in fascism in Europe. There is in Greece with the Golden Dawn, but not really in many other countries. There has definately been a rise in right-wing populism.

[Argyres]

Greece has a lot of issues that are a lot more important to getting it back on track than immigration (economic reforms, infrastructure development, curbing/greatly reducing the amounts of corruption/tax evasion/under the table dealing, etc.), but blaming the immigrants is obviously a lot easier and politically expedient. That isn't to say immigration (more specifically, illegal immigration) isn't an issue, but it's way down the list of things that ought to be fixed and even further down the list of things that helped create this financial catastrophe.

Greatly under-"performing" in terms of taking in revenues while overspending tends to cause a lot of economic damage, shockingly.

[Argyres]

There are obviously Greeks who share that mindset (or perhaps sympathize with the Golden Dawn's platform in parts) but everyone i've talked to in my family is against them, despite being from the lower/lower-middle class that's been hit especially hard.

That being said, if the more mainstream parties fail to make substantive improvements to governing, the economic infrastructure, etc....well I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them continue to grow.

[Baiynistan]

Let them come. I always envied the International Brigades. Anti-Fascist militia fighting seemed so Romantic!

[Baiynistan]

Enough for Ernest Hemingway to write a book about it, in fact.

It's sitting on my bookshelf along with Orwell's Homage To Catalonia.

Death isn't romantic,whatever you're killing for.

Meh. The war was conducted so poorly and pro-Republican equipment was so bad that it was very unlikely that you were able to kill anyone. >.<'

[Baltenstein]

You're off beam this time, NiS; this is quite unlike you.

You are talking about Greece having one of the smallest immigrant populations of Europe. This is correct - if you only count legally registered immigrants. However, one of the big unsolved issues in Greece today is that of illegal immigration. With a total population of 11 million and app. 1 million illegal immigrants, Greece acutally has one of the highest, if not thehighest population percentage in the EU.

Naturally, most of those people are not heading for Greece when they leave their homes, but Europe - however, they end up in Greece, courtesy of the Dublin II agreement, which states that asylum applicants have to reside in the EU country they first set foot in. For geographical reasons, the country in question usually isn't Sweden. This is worsened by a Turkish policy that deliberately lets travelers from various poor nations in without a visa regime, and deliberately ignores them leaving Turkey again across the Greco-Turkish border.

It would be hard to argue that illegal immigration is somehow chiefly responsible for the economic and unemployment crisis in Greece. However, with no jobs to apply for, no legal residences and no nutrition, many illegal immigrants, especially in the big cities, are naturally turning to crime to survive. This is a considerable additional burden for an already impoverished and worn down citizenry.

Here's a good article from the German Tagesschau on the subject.

With that being said, I categorically distance myself from Melas and other Nazi supporters.

[Baltenstein]

Ι am a nazi cause I want them out of my nation?

You're a Nazi supporter since you endorse a Nazi party.

[Baltenstein]

You're a Nazi supporter since you endorse a Nazi party.

No it seems that I am a nazi cause I endorse the only nationalist party (not nationalist socialist)

So, who are these "Waffen-SS"? Never heard of them, are they a sports team?

[Baltenstein]

You're a Nazi supporter since you endorse a Nazi party.

No it seems that I am a nazi cause I endorse the only nationalist party (not nationalist socialist)

So, who are these "Waffen-SS"? Never heard of them, are they a sports team?

[Baltenstein]

As a matter of fact, the rampant corruption and mismanagement of economical and state afairs by former governments (the aforementioned Euro entry manipulation among other things) is another reason why many people in Greece are turning to extremist parties. Golden regularly demonizes both foreigners and the traditional party system.

[Baltenstein]

Then you Greeks are either being lazy or racist, because using a 'general term' that is also the name for a specific nationality is stupid, racist, and ridiculous.

I would very much appreciate if you could refrain from emulating Melas' racist and generalizing mindset, since he is neither representative of the Greek population nor the only Greek user present.