Fascist rise in europe

[Delanshar]

"jack shit'? what does that even mean?

Zero. Zilch. Nada. Negligible. Worthless. Unimportant. Ignore-worthy.

You're seriously telling me that you speak English but you don't know the expression?

I know what it means, but for the sake of efficiency I just discount all of your responses that include profanity and no substance...

saves a lot of time.

[Der Kaiser Mikey III]

I must say, as someone who's been educated on the REAL Nazi party of Hitler, and the fascist rise of Mussolini and almost Mosley, I can say that I support the rise of fascism. The Jews were picked by Hitler because the World Bank, at the time, was predominantly controlled by the Jews (ie the now American families, look at why Israel was created). Hitler was part Jewish, and actually, his mothers relatives were part of the World Bank, so he saw where the problem originated. He used already predisposed stereotypes and the already there antisemitism to fuel a movement that set the German treasury free of World bank influence (War reparations unfairly imposed by France, Britain, the US, and the World Bank itself) to move to a Gold standard (ie the Nazi gold bars still sitting in Swiss vaults). Now, do I support genocide? NO!!!! Do I support Nationalism? YES!!! Do I support the downfall of the World Bank? YES!!!

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. I suppose I'm a Fascist.

[Der Kaiser Mikey III]

I must say, as someone who's been educated on the REAL Nazi party of Hitler, and the fascist rise of Mussolini and almost Mosley, I can say that I support the rise of fascism.

Some fucking education you have.

The Jews were picked by Hitler because the World Bank, at the time, was predominantly controlled by the Jews (ie the now American families, look at why Israel was created).

Anti-semitic bullshit. The World Bank didn't fucking exist in 1930. It was created in 1944.

Hitler was part Jewish, and actually, his mothers relatives were part of the World Bank, so he saw where the problem originated. He used already predisposed stereotypes and the already there antisemitism to fuel a movement that set the German treasury free of World bank influence (War reparations unfairly imposed by France, Britain, the US, and the World Bank itself) to move to a Gold standard (ie the Nazi gold bars still sitting in Swiss vaults).

Go away, David Irving. Nobody cares about your Hitler worship.

Now, do I support genocide? NO!!!!

Yes, you do, since you are a fascist.

This is not antisemitic at all-it is a fact. The world bank itself (as in the institution by that name) was created in 1944, however, if you did your research like a good little school boy, you'd know that there have been 13 families controlling the money since the fall of the centralized Catholic bank. The majority, but not all, of the wealthy families were Jewish, and as such the Jews that didn't have the money were unfortunately persecuted while the ones at fault simply immigrated to America. The money then passed to the American relatives, who to this day control it, and represent many different forms of Christianity. Look at the worlds leaders, in the west, many look mysteriously alike. 13 families young lad-accept it.

[Divair]

Fascism and Nazism are much much worse than the far-left, Hippo. They both rely on violence and oppression. And extreme homophobia.

Whilst I view communism as too extreme, I do not have a problem with socialism after all.

The vow of Hippostania is "leftists are evil". It could be a society where it's Thomas More's Utopia, and Hippo will still say "fascism" because Utopia is quite leftist, when you look at it.

Everyone knows that by now.

[Divair]

The EU fucked up worse by letting Greece into the euro despite being blatantly not ready for it.

I suppose that's true, yes. But didn't the Greeks cover up a lot of their problems to get in?

Yes. Ironically, this came around to bite them in the ass because it turned out to be a large contributor to the Euro-zone recession.

[Divair]

Yeah. Downward wage pressure wouldn't exist if the state could be bothered to actually enforce minimum wage regulations.

Minimum wage laws are racist

How so?

[Divair]

No, I believe that you shouldn't put blatant fucking hatred up to a vote. You don't put gay rights up to a vote, you don't put civil rights up to a vote, you don't put immigration up to a vote. These are not things that are negotiable.

I said this before...the individual has a fundamental human right to discriminate against or associate with any other individual or group as long as he peacefully respects the right of others to do the same.

Discrimination on an individual level? Sure.


On a commercial or legal level? Absolutely not.

[Divair]

You know the sig underneath all of my posts? First line.



Obviously, you're not everywhere in Greece at once. It happens though, almost certainly.

Did anyone see the video? Holly shit.3/4 of crimes are made by immigrants thats enough for me

Source.

[Divair]

http://egklimatikotita-allodapwn.blogspot.gr/

It's a blog. And it's in Greek.

Find an international, reputable source.

[Divair]

It's a blog. And it's in Greek.

Find an international, reputable source.

Dont have any

Then you have no credible evidence and you've wasted our time.


Again.

[Divair]

Then you have no credible evidence and you've wasted our time.


Again.

Yes cause I am sure you were busy curing cancer

Writing a technical document, but close enough.

[Divair]

What a surprise! There's no evidence that 75% of all Greek crime is caused by immigrants! Colour me astounded.



Greece being shafted militarily and ruined like Italy was?

I am not just talking about greece,these crysic these developments have already happened again in history,too bad people are too stupid and make the same mistakes

Yes, they support Nazi parties and fuck themselves over.

People should stop making that mistake.

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

They must be crushed. all of them!

All Facists will be killed!
Все фашисты будут убиты!

Remember, haters who find the above quote offensive, Facism is the prelude of Nazism.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

They must be crushed. all of them!

All Facists will be killed!
Все фашисты будут убиты!

Oh hi there. You must be new here. Relatively.

See, this sort of thing you posted there? It doesn't fly. No, not at all. We do not call for the death of our fellow posters. This is not an out of character forum. We are dealing with real people, with real opinions. And your posts will be treated as such.

Don't do this sort of thing. Thanks.

EDIT: BTW - play nice, people. Lets not have to shut this one down due to the lot of you being unable to debate and discuss in a somewhat civilized manner.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

O hai guise. Just a friendly reminder to attack the argument, not the poster, and to refrain from inflammatory remarks - both unintentional and intentional. Can be difficult when discussing subjects where folks are emotionally invested, I know, but let's try it anyway. Thanks!

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

"jack shit'? what does that even mean?

Zero. Zilch. Nada. Negligible. Worthless. Unimportant. Ignore-worthy.

You're seriously telling me that you speak English but you don't know the expression?

How about this - I'm telling you that you've been told to attack the argument, not the poster, and that you've already been tapped for dancing into dangerous territory in your so-called arguments prior to now. Let's watch our tone and content, folks. Will not make another reminder here.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I did say I wasn't playin'. Now you kids can go play somewhere else.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The many people who have lost everything see democratic mainstream parties as the ones who got them into the current crisis and are looking elsewhere for a solution. That's why there's been a surge in support for both extreme right and left. Confidence in the Euro and the European Union is also at a historic low, so nationalist rhetoric suddenly looks a lot shinier. Of course, the ideologue crazies on both sides would probably make things much worse if they got into power, but I can hardly blame people in desperate situations for being a little irrational politically.

[Forsher]

Extremism is born of extreme situations. Looking at the Weimar Republic, groups like the Nazis had to do quite a bit of leg work to stay relevant when things got better quite early on. In Europe today there are widespread socio-political issues and this is the breeding ground of extremism.

[Forsher]

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I like how Greece having one of the lowest immigrant populations in the EU, and many of the wealthiest EU countries also having the highest immigrant populations in the EU doesn't stop you from blaming the evil, evil immigrants for Greece's woes.

Flat-out denial of reality and blatant lying.

It's lovely how some traditions survive continually for three thousand years

Why choose three thousand years?

[Forsher]

I'm talking about the modern sense of a super power.

I know we were a "power" during that time as well.

Which has cost trillions of dollars. Which made the standard of living for your typical American worse than it would have been, if a portion of those resources were spent on....

Household goods, healthcare, education, lowered taxes, anything, just about. Instead of making products to kill, blow up and destroy.

I have grossly misjudged you. For some insane reason I imagined Real GDP or Productive Capacity as your chosen ways to measure growth in.

Basically, the argument here is that WWII really accomplished nothing of note for people in anything that mattered.

[Forsher]

Here's what I love. Every time we post facts, the multiculturalists in the room suddenly go quiet for a while, then pick up the discussion again like no facts whatsoever were posted. Let's see what we have proven so far. Feel free to add something.

• Two-thirds of all Moroccan men in the Netherlands, and this is a group numbering more than 100,000 for those who will try to scream bloody murder about the sample size, have been arrested at least once by the time they're 22. Similar figures exist for Afro-Caribbeans (55%) and Turks (45%).
• Non-western immigrants in both the Netherlands and Finland, two countries known to have a great welfare system and virtually no real poverty, have crime rates and unemployment rates starting several times higher than those of the native population.
• Non-western immigrants throughout Europe have higher unemployment rates and crime rates.
• There is a growing amount of islamic fundamentalists in Europe. There are unofficial and even some official shariah courts. There are also islamic rape gangs in Europe who rape white girls for 'asking for it by dressing like a whore and violating islamic norms'.
• Most of Europe's population has had it with immigration, but our governments and the European Union keep forcing it upon us.
• Adding to that, most Europeans have had it with the European Union itself.

Multiculturalism is a lie. And before our friendly Romanian - Ciprian Constantinescu, is that you? - accuses me of never having met a non-white person, I live in an area where a large part of the population consists of non-western immigrants. And I live next to a city where almost half of the population consists of non-western immigrants and their offspring, and where crime rates are astronomical.

Facts are more factual when credible sources are provided. I notice you have got a source, I've looked at it but not being a Dutch speaker (grumble grumble) I get Google's garbled information. However, the SCP website (which is, as far as I can tell, where the Jaarrapport integratie 2011 comes from) says of the SCP:

The Netherlands Institute for Social Research / SCP is a government agency which conducts research into the social aspects of all areas of government policy. The main fields studied are health, welfare, social security, the labour market and education, with a particular focus on the interfaces between them.

http://www.cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/dossiers/allochtonen/publicaties/publicaties/archief/2010/2010-b61-pub.htm

Het Jaarrapport Integratie 2010 zet een aantal onmisbare statistische feiten en ontwikkelingen met betrekking tot integratie van niet-westerse allochtonen op een rij. Op diverse aspecten komt aan bod waarin zij verschillen van de autochtonen. Ook worden allochtone bevolkingsgroepen onderling en over generaties heen vergeleken. De thema's die aan de orde komen zijn demografie, onderwijs, arbeidsmarkt, inkomen en uitkeringen, verkleuring van buurten, criminaliteit, sociale samenhang en jeugd en gezondheid. Daarnaast besteedt het boek apart aandacht aan de nieuwe immigrantengroepen uit Afghanistan, Irak, Iran, Somalië, Polen, Roemenië en Bulgarije.

Google Translate says:

The Annual Report on Integration 2010 sets a number of essential statistical facts and developments relating to the integration of non-Western immigrants in a row. On various aspects is discussed in which they differ from the natives. Also, immigrant populations themselves and across generations compared. The themes to be discussed are demographics, education, employment, income and benefits, discoloration of neighbourhoods, crime, social cohesion and youth and health. In addition, the book devotes special attention to the new immigrant groups from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria.

Basically, I see no problems with it but obviously my ability to judge it is limited.

[Forsher]

Source. The rest I had noticed you posted sometime earlier, though citing arrest rates is bullshit as you well know.

Racism and being arrested for shitty crimes (selling drugs) play a large part.

He won't give sources and shit like that. Like any other fascist, scared of the truth and wishes to impose their own false hoods to make them feel better about their lives.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=202838&sk=a&start=250

Twelve posts and two of which with external links. One of course is the one I was talking about just before and which others (Zaras, Horsefish) have criticised based on methodology.

Which reminds me, immigrants may be willing to work but no-one may be willing to give them work. That's just as likely an explanation for the unemployment rates.

[Forsher]

Which reminds me, immigrants may be willing to work but no-one may be willing to give them work. That's just as likely an explanation for the unemployment rates.

I'm surprised you're the first person to bring up that possibility!

I don't believe you. Especially given that's the sort of thing I'd expect you to say.

Oh, hooray. It wasn't enough that Italy had politicians drum up xenophobia against us, now it's one of the coolest countries in Europe's turn.

You're Romanian?

[Forsher]

I don't believe you. Especially given that's the sort of thing I'd expect you to say.

No, really, I am surprised nobody else thought of this!

Good Lord... I am still having difficulty believing that, it's quite obvious really.