Fascist rise in europe

[Delanshar]

How? He's talking about by proportion not absolutes. It's 5th grade math.

Education from whatever brainwashed European nation he's living in.

Ahh.. what dictatorship is complete without propaganda that blatantly ignores simple facts. The EU is no exception.

[Delanshar]

Ahh.. what dictatorship is complete without propaganda that blatantly ignores simple facts. The EU is no exception.

Meanwhile, the Europeans blame Israel. We're obviously responsible for sending the Somali's over there to rape women.

So true. thousands of rockets hit Israel, and the EU is all up in arms when the IDF moves in to defend themselves. Meanwhile a stray mortar hits Turkey and their all like "We support u BROOO!"

Having said that, I believe retaliation was justified in the Turkish case as well.

[Delanshar]

it might be fascist propaganda, but that was awesome!, but they said they wan to bring an end to the fall of communism when they are a far-right party. what does that mean?

Basic McCarthyian scare tactics, if someone disagrees with you then call them a communist.

Basic Multiculturalist tactics: If someone disagrees with you even a little bit denounce them as a racist, refuse to let them on TV, refuse to debate them, tweak electoral laws to keep them from reaching parliament (see France)

[Delanshar]

Yes I do! And Socialism has taken over Europe, and stop acting like you know your crap you don't.

I know my shit, you don't. Socialism has not taken over Europe, that is such an incredibly mothercuntfuckingly STUPID thing to say. The problem with the world nowadays is the increasing corporatization of it at all levels, coupled with a rotting and destroying of public services and subordination of everything to markets! If socialism would've taken over Europe, Europe would be a fucking paradise like Scandinavia!

"I know my shit, you don't"
Best slogan for multiculturalism ever

Anyone else find it ironic that our honorary anti fascist seems to be the most easily disposed to profanity laced intolerance of others opinions?

[Delanshar]

It doesn't matter where humans evolved. The EU is f*cking Europe thats the truth of it.

[Delanshar]

It doesn't matter where humans evolved. The EU is f*cking Europe thats the truth of it.

Because having a common market is such a horrible thing.

Yes. Especially if it squashes sovereignity and democracy, and imposes poverty on its smaller members through puppet Eurocrats. Brainwashing it's populace until they become rabid multiculturalists who think anyone who disagrees should be sent to reeducation camps (ie: people like you)... well thats just a bonus.

[Delanshar]

By the way, nationalism means honoring ones country

It's an outdated notion anyway.

Yeah, it's so outdated and thats why it's rising throughout Europe.

[Delanshar]

Yeah, sure, the EU has destroyed democracy around Europe when it's actually the only thing so far that's in the way of the crazy government in Hungary passing a blatantly shit reform that would actually abolish democracy.



Your Daily Mail is showing, please get it under control. Also, the EU helps countries reduce their poverty level, so please get it right.



An entire continent of rabid multiculturalists who hate bigotry with the intensity of a thousand suns and fight it at every turn? Sounds like a utopia.

1: Viktor Orban's government was democratically elected by a landslide. Who elected Barosso? Who elected Herman van Rompuy?

2: The EU helps reduce poverty? Yeah go tell that to Greece, or Spain, or Portugal...

3: Hate Bigotry? Ha! I'm sorry but if you can't handle somebody else's opinion without shunning them, calling them racist and in general going on childish rants then your a bigot too. So if utopia for you means blatant hypocrisy and childish tantrums at every turn, leave me out of it.

[Delanshar]

1: Viktor Orban's government was democratically elected by a landslide.

That says bad things about Hungarian voters.

I don't care what it says about Hungarian voters. It's their country not yours. They should get to decide how to run it.

[Delanshar]

They want to shut people up who think differently, because their views do not hold in any normal debate.

Funny how I don't remember telling anybody to shut up.

And yes, views like "we should round 'em all up and kick 'em out" do not hold in a normal debate.

You mean like this

Whatever population of Greece wants Golden Dawn is a bunch of motherfucking idiots and they should be sent to mandatory humanity school, to learn how to be humans.

[Delanshar]

You mean like this

Yes, I like hyperbole in my insults. I know it's bad for me.

Haha... and you expect to be taken seriously..

Debates aren't supposed to be about 'hyperbole' or 'insults' their supposed to be rational disagreements argued in a respectful and at least semi-educated manner.

"hyperbole and insults" are for 4 year olds arguing over whose turn it is to press the elevator button.

[Delanshar]

I don't care what it says about Hungarian voters. It's their country not yours. They should get to decide how to run it.

And I get to call them all names when they fuck up, just as I would with every other country including my own.

My problem isn't with your right to say whatever insult comes to your head first in regards to Hungarian voters. My problem is with you not understanding how an unelected government in Brussels pushing around an elected government in Budapest is BAD for democracy.

[Delanshar]

Haha... and you expect to be taken seriously..

Considering that I'm in a thread about fascism, no, I don't really have that expectation. When the hell did I say I expect to be taken seriously anyways?

Debates aren't supposed to be about 'hyperbole' or 'insults' their supposed to be rational disagreements argued in a respectful and at least semi-educated manner.

But this is a debate that involves Nazis. None of those debates fit the bill.

"hyperbole and insults" are for 4 year olds arguing over whose turn it is to press the elevator button.

Or fascist supporters.

Whose a Nazi? I haven't seen anybody advocate genocide. The fact that you equate increased immigration control with the Holocaust is proof enough that the entire Multiculturalist view is so skewed it defies reality.

Also I don't consider "Because I think their fascists" an effective excuse for ranting and insulting and using inane hyperbole at the slightest provocation. Especially considering, in your view, anybody who doesn't welcome rampant immigration with open arms is a 'fascist'

[Delanshar]

I've seen people support Golden Dawn and basically throwing people out of countries because of their immigrant status.

You have a pretty poor understanding of Nazism if you think that throwing somebody out because of their immigrant status is the same as being a Nazi.

I did not equate that, you did. I never brought up the Holocaust.

When you call people 'Nazi' your implying that they are a proponent of Nazi ideology. And last I checked the Holocaust was committed by Nazis. Ergo, if your calling someone a Nazi your saying that they condone the Holocaust. And you've been throwing around the N-word alot.

I know my view better than you, and you haven't described my view at all.

I really don't care what your view is. I've given up trying to convince you a long time ago, my mission now is just to make sure the rest of the forum doesn't actually fall for this erratic nonsense.

[Delanshar]

That goal could have been accomplished by building a giant concrete croissant in Paris and calling it a day.
There hasn't been a war despite the European Union, not because of it.

Multinational cooperation instead of integration would also mean the absence of institutions like the European Court of Human Rights, which forced Ireland and Northern Ireland to junk their bans on homosexuality.

Right. Because the fate of Europe and the risk of World War III all rested on whether people in Ireland had proper Civil Rights.

Don't get me wrong I support LGBT rights... but if we are going to talk about the threat of WWIII I fail to see how a ECHR ruling on Homosexuality is relevant in any way.

[Delanshar]

The European Court of Human Rights is a sham.

A sham that helps force states to abandon their dumb laws and upholds human rights.

Cases generally take years to process, and people can submit them for ludicrous reasons.

How is that different from a normal judicial system?

Last I checked, all European nations have their own judicial systems and Supreme Courts. Ones that are actually accountable to the given nation. The point of an detached and unaccountable supranational court system is redundant in most respects.

The only time it makes sense is if your going to try warcriminals and the native country has no developed justice system. But thats what the ICC is for.

[Delanshar]

The only time it makes sense is if your going to try warcriminals and the native country has no developed justice system. But thats what the ICC is for.

And the ICC also has been criticised for the same reasons...

All the more reason to do away with all these unnecessary courts.

One court, with the sole purpose of trying foreign war criminals where there is no native justice system, is all thats needed.

[Delanshar]

The extremists are a response to the contempt (real or perceived) of centre-line parties. Add the European Union's restrictions and rules over the single currency and the economic issues they've had recently, it's not really surprising. Depressing, yes, surprising no.

Yes

[Delanshar]

it's also widely accepted that Hitler's policies were nothing more than a quick fix, and had World War 2 not started, then the German economy would've collapsed.

This is speculation. Though I hate Hitler, he did get Germany out of recession and had he refrained from starting WWII or committing genocide he might've been remembered as a German FDR who got the country out of a horrible depression.

[Delanshar]

This is speculation. Though I hate Hitler, he did get Germany out of recession and had he refrained from starting WWII or committing genocide he might've been remembered as a German FDR who got the country out of a horrible depression.

No. Not even close. The German economy under Hiter's Nazi regime was built upon the war industry. Not even the arms industry, which though overly specialized might have done somewhat well, the war industry. Hitler's Germany required large scale war to support its economy, as proven due to his pilfering of foreign banks and the German collapse when they started losing the war.

If the Nazi economy was based exclusively on pillaging foreign banks, slave labor and the spoils of war then how come the recovery began before the start of World War II?

Also I wouldn't say the modern German economy is based on friendship. Thats what they may say, but the truth is it's based on domination. Certainly a softer domination then what Hitler envisioned but still domination. I say this because, as the strongest economy in the Eurozone, the Germans basically get to boss around the lesser countries and the entire EU is built largely on a Franco-German axis with France as the minor partner.

[Delanshar]

If the Nazi economy was based exclusively on pillaging foreign banks, slave labor and the spoils of war then how come the recovery began before the start of World War II?

Also I wouldn't say the modern German economy is based on friendship. Thats what they may say, but the truth is it's based on domination. Certainly a softer domination then what Hitler envisioned but still domination. I say this because, as the strongest economy in the Eurozone, the Germans basically get to boss around the lesser countries and the entire EU is built largely on a Franco-German axis with France as the minor partner.

Is there something we do not agree on?Where is your country so I can give you a cookie

lol, I'm American. But I care a lot about European Politics, and I hav some Greek relatives.

[Delanshar]

If the Nazi economy was based exclusively on pillaging foreign banks, slave labor and the spoils of war then how come the recovery began before the start of World War II?

Because of infrastructure investments made before he came into office!

Based on your own source, a lot of the infrastructure investments happened during Hitler's tenure in the 1930s.

[Delanshar]

Based on your own source, a lot of the infrastructure investments happened during Hitler's tenure in the 1930s.

Which made jack shit of an impact.

"jack shit'? what does that even mean?

[Delanshar]

Then why are extreme right wing parties on the rise of these nations?Villages in germany are lead by neo nazis,serbias goverment is right wing,hungaries right wing party is getting bigger every day and there is a rise on French France's Right Wing Party was defeated by the Socialist one already, I don't see how France will ever be conservative again.

The Right Wing in France could mean one of two things. The UMP or the FN. The UMP is very mildly conservative and is center right while the FN is hard right (though moderated slightly during recent years). The UMP was the one defeated in the elections, which is actually good for the FN because it gives Marine Le Pen an opening to try and become the main rightist challenger to the socialists. So, paradoxically, the Socialists winning the election could actually be good for conservatives in France, at least in the longer term.

[Delanshar]

The Right Wing in France could mean one of two things. The UMP or the FN. The UMP is very mildly conservative and is center right while the FN is hard right (though moderated slightly during recent years). The UMP was the one defeated in the elections, which is actually good for the FN because it gives Marine Le Pen an opening to try and become the main rightist challenger to the socialists. So, paradoxically, the Socialists winning the election could actually be good for conservatives in France, at least in the longer term.

Believe it or not,same thing goes in greece.Was the UMP a major party?

It was Sarkozy's party. Center Right. The equivelant of New Democracy in Greece, so yes pretty major