Fascist rise in europe

[Ceannairceach]

Ha! Learn a bit about German history and economics. Hitler's Germany built its economy on war, plunder and forced labor. Were it not for their massive war machine, they would have remained in obscure poverty. And it was proven, too, for when the Germans failed to expand their economy imploded, as the money they pilfered from European banks slowly seeped away and the labor dried up due to their completely lacking economy built as a stage show rather than a sturdy house.

The modern German economy, conversely, is built upon free enterprise and mutually beneficial agreements with the European states and the rest of the world in the interest of self and global promotion.

In short, Hitler's economy = hatred, modern Germany economy = friendship.

Do as you whish while I laugh and piss myshelf

Hey, Germany made a friendship with Greece that just so happened to favor the German economy over the Greek one. Greece's fault for agreeing and not altering their economy to make the agreement beneficial to them.

[Ceannairceach]

Most likely since this thread is supposed to be about "rising fascism" all over Europe. But it's really a blatant way to replace the locked Golden Dawn thread.

Wasnt my intention,unfortunately people didnt wanna involve serbia,hungary,germania or france

To involve them, I don't see why a nation that had Holocaust-esque killings at the hands of Nazis, two nations that were occupied and subjugated by the Nazis, and a nation that was the home of the Nazis would go to Fascism, even a watered down, modern version fit for the current shape of the world.

[Ceannairceach]

To involve them, I don't see why a nation that had Holocaust-esque killings at the hands of Nazis, two nations that were occupied and subjugated by the Nazis, and a nation that was the home of the Nazis would go to Fascism, even a watered down, modern version fit for the current shape of the world.

Then why are extreme right wing parties on the rise of these nations?Villages in germany are lead by neo nazis,serbias goverment is right wing,hungaries right wing party is getting bigger every day and there is a rise on French

Right wing =/= Fascist. Even mainstream conservatives and many far-rightists distance themselves from Fascist connotations. Rural and Eastern Germany is still wounded by the Nazi disease, and though "cured" it still has some residue, in the form of a new wave of Nazis attempting to gain power. Serbia's and Hungary's right wing groups have been strong since the fall of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union respectfully, with the dissatisfaction with Socialism and Communism swinging the population in the right of center and farther. France is and will continue to be a liberal democracy, all signs say. The spike is, once again, merely a residue of some dissatisfaction with liberal governments, but the majority still supports it, which is why a switch will not occur like in Hungary or Serbia.

[Ceannairceach]

No. Not even close. The German economy under Hiter's Nazi regime was built upon the war industry. Not even the arms industry, which though overly specialized might have done somewhat well, the war industry. Hitler's Germany required large scale war to support its economy, as proven due to his pilfering of foreign banks and the German collapse when they started losing the war.

If the Nazi economy was based exclusively on pillaging foreign banks, slave labor and the spoils of war then how come the recovery began before the start of World War II?

Also I wouldn't say the modern German economy is based on friendship. Thats what they may say, but the truth is it's based on domination. Certainly a softer domination then what Hitler envisioned but still domination. I say this because, as the strongest economy in the Eurozone, the Germans basically get to boss around the lesser countries and the entire EU is built largely on a Franco-German axis with France as the minor partner.

The German economy was already on its way to a return to semi-normalcy by the time the Nazi's took power in 1932-33, thanks to the efforts of economists and government officers in the previous regime that did what was necessary to saved the recessed and depressed economy. The Nazis got the credit for their hard work because the long-term effects were only noticeable during their reign, as well as due to their creation of jobs due to the expansion of the military.

The Nazis broke the mold created by the old regime and essentially turned their industrial power to war, making car plants into tank factories and whatnot. Essentially, they did what America did when they entered the war, but they went too far, completely destroying their industrial diversity and potential for growth. The only way to sustain such an economy is through, as I said, war, plunder and pillaging.

Note that the nations in the Eurozone are there willingly, and all economic partners of Germany are free to break the friendship at any time. Simply because Germany is making deals that favor their economy--and therefore dozens of other economies that rely or are attached to the German one, including but not limited to the Eurozone--does not mean that they are strongarming the world to do as their economists will.

[Ceannairceach]

Is there something we do not agree on?Where is your country so I can give you a cookie

lol, I'm American. But I care a lot about European Politics, and I hav some Greek relatives.

Politics, maybe, but certainly not European economics.

[Ceannairceach]

Because of infrastructure investments made before he came into office!

Based on your own source, a lot of the infrastructure investments happened during Hitler's tenure in the 1930s.

Where does it say that?

[Ceannairceach]

The German economy was already on its way to a return to semi-normalcy by the time the Nazi's took power in 1932-33, thanks to the efforts of economists and government officers in the previous regime that did what was necessary to saved the recessed and depressed economy. The Nazis got the credit for their hard work because the long-term effects were only noticeable during their reign, as well as due to their creation of jobs due to the expansion of the military.

The Nazis broke the mold created by the old regime and essentially turned their industrial power to war, making car plants into tank factories and whatnot. Essentially, they did what America did when they entered the war, but they went too far, completely destroying their industrial diversity and potential for growth. The only way to sustain such an economy is through, as I said, war, plunder and pillaging.

Note that the nations in the Eurozone are there willingly, and all economic partners of Germany are free to break the friendship at any time. Simply because Germany is making deals that favor their economy--and therefore dozens of other economies that rely or are attached to the German one, including but not limited to the Eurozone--does not mean that they are strongarming the world to do as their economists will.

It's illegal to withdraw from the euro once you've adopted it.

Noted, but I'd like a source on that. This said, these nations did adopt to join the Euro, and that is not the fault of Germany in the slightest. And considering the strength of the Euro and the Eurozone as a whole, I'd say that its a safe investment, and leaving could definitely be detrimental locally and internationally.

[Chagerochi]

Not true

[Cromarty]

When things get difficult people like to externalise the blame, so they pick some group like foreigners or Jews or the US. Fascists are the parasites who capitalise on that to gain power. They don't actually provide a solution that works, they just say they have one, and hang on to power for as long as they can before people realise it is all a con job. A fascist regime merely prolongs the suffering until they can be removed and a real solution found.

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

it's also widely accepted that Hitler's policies were nothing more than a quick fix, and had World War 2 not started, then the German economy would've collapsed.

[Cromarty]

You see, Africa does not actually have the agricultural output to feed its current population. If we were to withdraw food aid by 2025, it's estimated more than half of Africa would be left without food.

Source on the estimate please?

And Africa could have the agricultural output to feed its population. Countries such as Malawi, where a famine was turned into a foord surplus in just 5 years, prove that.

[Cromarty]

In Asia, methods of innovation were created because there was no aid.

Someone needs to learn the history of Asia since WW2.

[CTALNH]

DOWN WITH FASCISM!

"Wow"That really helped out in my country....

Can you give me more substantial help?

Like raising awareness or money for organizing rallies or even better give me guns?

[Czechanada]

IRA disarmed and the only thing remaining of it its the politica, wing, Sinn Feinn (which is still a quite important party in Northhern Ireland.
If I recall well, the current leaders of Sinn Fein heavily distance thenselves from movements such as PIRA and Real IRA.

The name Sinn Fein sounds so badass.

[Czechanada]

The name Sinn Fein sounds so badass.

It actually just means "We ourselves".

Still a badass statement.

[Czechanada]

Still a badass statement.

It's a pity, because they're not exactly my favourite political party.

Pity? Pity is what stayed Bilbo's hand.

[Dagnia]

Europe is in crisis with huge debts, high taxes and governments that are having to break promises they once made because they can't afford them any more. Their leaders' devotion to multiculturalism has created minorities who refuse to assimilate, with many Muslim sections of European cities becoming Shariah zones that the police won't even venture into, and even allowing them to hold conferences that are hate speech under their own laws.

Europe is ripe for some kind of totalitarian takeover. I would imagine the average German or French citizen footing the bill that allows the Greeks to not learn from their mistakes is very getting very resentful. Greece may be a bit far away for them to take out their frustrations on, but the Turkish or Algerian immigrants who can say things that would get them jail time for a hate speech violation are just down the street.

DOWN WITH FASCISM!

I agree with your sentiment, but your post doesn't contribute much.

[Delanshar]

It's perfectly understandable that the present European Crisis would cause a rise in right-wing ideologies. People need an alternative to the bureacratic and conformist EU, which constricts democracy and harms sovereignty and self determination throughout Europe.

[Delanshar]

It's perfectly understandable that the present European Crisis would cause a rise in right-wing ideologies. People need an alternative to the bureacratic and conformist EU, which constricts democracy and harms sovereignty and self determination throughout Europe.

Oh, this "EU is undemocratic" shit again? Take it to the EU thread, please.

Ah... how I love your in depth rebuttals and arguments.

The EU crisis is an integral part of the rise of the right in Greece. The Greek government didn't enact austerity cause they felt like it. They were forced to by the Eurocrats in Brussels. To deny this is idiotic.

Also the EU is anti-democratic. When the former PM tried to have a referendum on the austerity, the EU basically had him ousted and replaced with a technocratic Yes-man.

[Delanshar]

Ah... how I love your in depth rebuttals and arguments.

The EU crisis is an integral part of the rise of the right in Greece. The Greek government didn't enact austerity cause they felt like it. They were forced to by the Eurocrats in Brussels. To deny this is idiotic.

Also the EU is anti-democratic. When the former PM tried to have a referendum on the austerity, the EU basically had him ousted and replaced with a technocratic Yes-man.

Couldnt agree more apart from the last thing,they were all technocratic Yes-men

Fair enough.

[Delanshar]

Ah... how I love your in depth rebuttals and arguments.

The EU crisis is an integral part of the rise of the right in Greece. The Greek government didn't enact austerity cause they felt like it. They were forced to by the Eurocrats in Brussels. To deny this is idiotic.

Also the EU is anti-democratic. When the former PM tried to have a referendum on the austerity, the EU basically had him ousted and replaced with a technocratic Yes-man.

I finally found someone I agree with.

[Delanshar]

Is there room for one more?

Of course. We sensible people ought to stick together against the anti-patriotic, leftist and Eurocratic hordes who will happily slash the elderly's pensions if it means saving the banks.

[Delanshar]

Of course. We sensible people ought to stick together against the anti-patriotic, leftist and Eurocratic hordes who will happily slash the elderly's pensions if it means saving the banks.

Already happened in greece
ya know 'austerity' and all

Exactly, and it is unethical and horrible. Antonis Samaras and Venizelos are both two heads of the same serpent. And the serpent must be decapitated.

[Delanshar]

Of course. We sensible people ought to stick together against the anti-patriotic, leftist and Eurocratic hordes who will happily slash the elderly's pensions if it means saving the banks.

What if I'm a patriotic hardline leftist with anti-Euro views? I might also remind you that most truly left-wing parties oppose the Euro. The bailout economy is for right-wing fools and social democrats.

Perhaps liberal would have been a better word then leftist. I apologize. The way I see it, the anti-EU forces in Europe should unite across the Left-Right spectrum because there are those who oppose the domination of Germany and Brussels on both sides. We can figure out the details of individual countries and their economies once we take back our sovereignity from the soul crushing Eurocratic class.

[Delanshar]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... G9nC1GqPva

It's not about Finland, but I can go on. Finding non-English sources is hard.

That still leaves 4/5 rapes done by Finns. Your point just completely died.

How? He's talking about by proportion not absolutes. It's 5th grade math.

[Delanshar]

Of course. We sensible people ought to stick together against the anti-patriotic, leftist and Eurocratic hordes who will happily slash the elderly's pensions if it means saving the banks.

Suuuuuure. You assume I agree with everything the EU does. Newsflash: I don't. The EU has made some astounding cock-ups, but I believe it's worth saving.

Well, when I posted against the EU you basically said "Get this shit out of here". So I think I could be forgiven for thinking your a Eurocratic diehard.