Fascist rise in europe

[The Nuclear Fist]

Like, say, protesting against the austerity forced on you?

But it's white people forcing austerity on the Greeks. White people would never steer the Greeks wrong, right?

[The Nuclear Fist]

I just used invasion as a term I didnt say its an act of war,god

Invasion is an act of war. You don't want to be called out for saying something ridiculous? Don't say ridiculous things.

[The Nuclear Fist]

What makes you think I am a white supremisist?

Your support of the white supremacist Golden Dawn party comes to mind.

I also dislike albanians,

Oh, that's hilarious.

and yes it is the white,greek,goverment fault for betraying us.

Perhaps if you Greeks paid your damn taxes and didn't make poor economic decisions, Greece wouldn't be a shithole people only visit for the ancient ruins.

And yes the austority is a crime against our people brought by the same goverment who bringed the Paki''stanis'' in (happy?)

No, because austerity isn't a crime. It's just poor economic planning.

Just like letting foreigners immigrate to Greece isn't a crime, it's the right thing to do. And stop calling them Pakistanis, it is highly unlikely that every single immigrant in Greece is from Pakistan.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I believe soon the people will soon have to step up and govern themselves, obvioulsy the people is'nt happy with the way the goverment is doing things, something have to give, truth is people do not need to be governed, it's their choice, if they want to appoint a president or head of state, it's not up to secret societies or monolithic cults to decide for the people, and then turn around and manipulate their systems, to hurt and enslave them, truth and trust has to be the key, first and not last love, rich is getting richer, and the poor getting poorer, with notes called money, they can't eat or drink to survive, that's plainly imprisonment, without the people noticing it. Europe needs to swiftly shrink the goverment power down to size, to much power is being abused, and it needs to be addressed, every politician, supreme court, city councils, to even local law enforcement needs to be audited and watched closely, power abuse needs to found and taken seriously, because the abuse is hurting the people, and the people is'nt taking no more pain. I say start with the banks, audit them to the fulliest, hire if needed observers, trustworthy observers, a system is'nt bad until a cancerous mind step in to manipulate to whole thing. I say make more prison room for these criminals who is part of this whole thing, also hire if needed observers to every freemason branch, church, and any other religous organization, all the down to social workers and further down if so. my opinion!

[The Nuclear Fist]

The majority is,and all of us,greeks,call them pakis or pakistanis,deal with it.

So the majority of Greeks are either too lazy or too stupid to acknowledge that the bulk of the immigrants aren't from Pakistan? No wonder you people are in the mess you're in.

And yes there are lots of really dark 'africans'.And here we go,'go pay yo taxes lazy fucks,herp derp'

Last time I checked, tax evasion was a big problem in Greece. Perhaps you should remove the beam from your eye before checking others' eyes for specks.

My family is always paying its taxes like most other families,its the rich who dont,and this austerity measure dont help the economy just drive people to suicide and poverty.

Anecdotes aren't evidence, and I'm going to need a source for the underlined.

And did I mention immigrants dont pay taxes (yes even legal ones)

Bullshit. Got a source to back up said bullshit?

[The Nuclear Fist]

The EU fucked up worse by letting Greece into the euro despite being blatantly not ready for it.

I suppose that's true, yes. But didn't the Greeks cover up a lot of their problems to get in?

[The Nuclear Fist]

I suppose that's true, yes. But didn't the Greeks cover up a lot of their problems to get in?

That they did.

So I would suppose no one is really absolved from the blame, then.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I am preety sure you gonna counter it with some rigged EU one so whats the point?

How do you 'rig' facts? More importantly, you're just as likely to pull out some hogwash from some Greek nationalist propaganda site as I am to use EU statistics.

By the way it seems you people love insulting greeks.

I don't, I just love pointing out the glorious holes in your ridiculous arguments.

We know they arent all from pakistan you idiot lots of them are and its a general term.

Then you Greeks are either being lazy or racist, because using a 'general term' that is also the name for a specific nationality is stupid, racist, and ridiculous.

[The Nuclear Fist]

If we managed to fool the EU I believe we need to the world to approve of how badass we are,too bad all this shit benifited the EU and ruined greece

If using naked fraud as a way to cover up your own failures in an attempt to get others to fix your problems for you counts as 'badass' to a Greek, you've got problems on the horizon, dear.

[The Nuclear Fist]

So you believe people should only be given a choice of how they want to live as long as it conforms to your world view? Who gets to decide what instincts are the worst?

Civil rights are not up for debate amongst the populace. You don't get to increase your wealth and prestige at the expense of others. That is mob rule and that is wrong.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I would very much appreciate if you could refrain from emulating Melas' racist and generalizing mindset, since he is neither representative of the Greek population nor the only Greek user present.

I'm just making a joke, dear. I'm fully aware that the majority of the Greek populace aren't lazy, racist, or stupid, nor do they support Melas's bigoted, ridiculous views.

In this context, I'm referring to the hypothetical Greeks he keeps bringing up. His 'Greeks support. . .' leads me to a particular conclusion. However, I do not mean to insinuate that I believe all Greeks are lazy or racist.

Just the imaginary Greeks in Melas's mind.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I said this before...the individual has a fundamental human right to discriminate against or associate with any other individual or group as long as he peacefully respects the right of others to do the same.

Said individual, however, does not have the right to enshrine unwarranted discrimination in law.

[The Nuclear Fist]

You mean the imaginary half a million greeks that voted for golden dawn??

I wasn't aware that half a million Greeks constituted the majority of Greeks. It's quite a small minority, all things considered.

[The Nuclear Fist]

There are obviously Greeks who share that mindset (or perhaps sympathize with the Golden Dawn's platform in parts) but everyone i've talked to in my family is against them, despite being from the lower/lower-middle class that's been hit especially hard.

That being said, if the more mainstream parties fail to make substantive improvements to governing, the economic infrastructure, etc....well I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them continue to grow.

They are already 3d party in charts...

Source?

[The Nuclear Fist]

I wasn't aware that half a million Greeks constituted the majority of Greeks. It's quite a small minority, all things considered.

They still made it to the goverment and when did I say they are the majority?

Your previous posts seemed to be implying that all Greeks, or at least a majority of them, think the way you do. If you're acknowledging that you and your bigoted horseshit views are in the minority, then I apologise.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Ι am not talking about a majority or a minority I am talking about individuals lots of them,I dont claim that everyone loves golden dawn,I have a classmate thats a member of the Communist Youth of greece,my father voted for siriza and my siter is an anarchist who went to vote just for the experience and will never do it again,she even threatened me she will never speak to me again if I join the party,lolz

Quantify 'lots of them' for me. How many are we talking, here? Certainly not the majority. A small minority? Perhaps.

[The Nuclear Fist]

true tolerance is honoring and respecting the peaceful choices of others.

True tolerance is acknowledging someone's beliefs and respecting their right to have them.

You don't have to respect or honour someone's beliefs to tolerate them.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Agreed nor should the law force said individual to comply.

I would disagree, but this is a matter for a different thread and I'd rather not threadjack.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Αgain they are clearly not the majority,however more than 500.000 people voted for them,more will vote + the youth.Somewhere bewteen 1.500.000 and 2.000.000 I guess

I'm going to need sources for those numbers.

[The USOT]

hitler collapsed it more

Hitler built it...

No... economists prior to Hitler had been rebuilding an economy, Schact was limited to the point of creating an incredibly fragile economy which could never be fully repared thanks to Hitlers own ideas over governmental structure (see Goering vs Schact for control of the economy) which could literally only be sustained by a succesful mass war on the scale of WW2.
There are great details on the flaws of the german economy, but lets ignore that.
The economy was in no way helped by Hitler. If the nazis did help the economy, it was by schact, and not Hitler who did nothing but hinder it.

[Thesan]

Absolutely normal! Eu is literally suffocating the poorest countries of europe like greece and portugal, and when social equality goes to dust here comes unhappiness, hate and rage.... and the best expression of these feelings is extremism.... I think that the only solution is to get rid of the stupid idiocies like the german strictness, transform the ECB in a FED-like bank (SEE: PRINT MONEY) and turn up the turbo on keynesian economics.

....I cannot talk for Spain and the others but for Italy is different: the far-right parties are less than 5% (to take an example: in 2008 were more than 12%) and even "bunga-man's" party is very weak (Tuesday survey: less than 19%, in 2008 was at 37.8%), the whole centre-left isn't strong (only 36%, all the 4 parties that compose that) and the catholics are even less than 7%
Here is rampant M5S (at 18%, +2.3% in a week), it fights for direct democracy, strong govt., social equality, anti-corruption, environmentalism and is eurosceptic (however supports only a referendum on the "EU affair", nobody has the right to exit europe except for the people).

THIS IS RISING: Euroscepticism: in Italy at least 1 on 3 want to get out of EU but it's too scared about the "political unknown" so the majority is still undecided... probably at the end will prevail the "pro-euros"

[Thesan]

I thought so,cause communism itself could even be described as anti-patriotic

Not always. I'm socially liberal, but I oppose throwing people around from other countries, because it's much better for their own countries to develop first. 1/5 rapes in Finland are done my Somalis, and Somalis make about 0,03% of the population, so there's that. There's nothing about communism that can in any way be described as anti-patriotic.

THIS!!! LET'S THROW ROSE PETALS ON THIS GUY'S PATH!! THIS GUY HAS GOOD IDEAS!!!

Want Kvatchdom as president of the EU!!!!

[Unglonia]

The age of Fascism is over. It ended over 60 years ago. I doubt there is going to be a second one anytime soon

[Unglonia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuR0hO4uX7E - Here's a campaign video for one of the most right-wing parties in Europe, and also one of the most popular ones.

it might be fascist propaganda, but that was awesome!, but they said they wan to bring an end to the fall of communism when they are a far-right party. what does that mean?

[Union of Confederate Socialist Republics]

The age of Fascism is over. It ended over 60 years ago. I doubt there is going to be a second one anytime soon

History repeats itself, sometimes way too often.