Fascist rise in europe

[Scholencia]

For many people especially in eastern europe it is not just a flag. It symbolise something and you dont have to be some kind nationalist to react in such way. Thoose who were burninged is also just not a flag hence they would burn it.

That just makes them silly. It's a symbol! Why lose shit over a symbol?

Well, it is almost the when if you burn a muslim flag with a half moon on it or a rainbow flag of LGBT movement. I mean, you are right it is just silly and muslim are also retarded with killing an american diplomat because of a Muhammad film. ah this retarded people.

The more retarded people are thoose who apologise to them like Hillary Clinton did to the muslims.

[Scholencia]

Yes, I agree on that. But giving people a referendum on immigration is not true tolerance, or a peaceful choice.

Tolerance can never be taken so far as to tolerate, excuse and defend intolerance.

It is far more democratic than the political class tries to force some things that the majority of free citizens dont like.

True tolerance is acknowledging someone's beliefs and respecting their right to have them.

Ok, but than according to you even neonazis have the right to be tolerated.

You know the sig underneath all of my posts? First line.

So, do you mind if I can burn the british flag since it represents the most evil, colonialistic creation of the world?

Well, you know it is just a flag and poeple are silliy if they get upset of the gesture.

[Scholencia]

You know the sig underneath all of my posts? First line.

So, do you mind if I can burn the british flag since it represents the most evil, colonialistic creation of the world?

Well, you know it is just a flag and poeple are silliy if they get upset of the gesture.

[Sciox]

The age of Fascism is over. It ended over 60 years ago. I doubt there is going to be a second one anytime soon

There are still people who advocate the creation of communist nations despite the huge amount of atrocities and failed states the ideology's implementation spawned.

People are always so busy trying to catch a glimpse of the greener grass on the other side that they don't realise that they're about to walk off a cliff.

[Sedikal]

When people are unhappy with there government they look to the only people who sound like they can due something about it. So far the fascist are the ones who sound like they know what to do just like in the 30's. I dont blam them honestly.

[Sedikal]

When people are unhappy with there government they look to the only people who sound like they can due something about it. So far the fascist are the ones who sound like they know what to do just like in the 30's.

Since when did "THROW OUT ALL ZHE IMIGRANTS", "MINE ZHE BORDER VIZH TURKEY" and "TAKE BACK ISTANBUL UND IZMIR" become useful suggestions for solving a financial crisis?

How the hell should I know I don't live in Europe anymore? Maybe there over looking this and there economic plan is sound.

[Sibirsky]

When things get difficult people like to externalise the blame, so they pick some group like foreigners or Jews or the US. Fascists are the parasites who capitalise on that to gain power. They don't actually provide a solution that works, they just say they have one, and hang on to power for as long as they can before people realise it is all a con job. A fascist regime merely prolongs the suffering until they can be removed and a real solution found.

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

Fascism for some reason has a good track record at this

(though i despise nazism, not fascism as a whole)

It fixed the German economy the same way WWII fixed the American economy.

IOW, it did not. GDP was artificially inflated by government spending on the military. Most people, did not benefit from this.

Building tanks, rockets, bombs, fighter jets, does not improve the general population's well being. In fact, it lowers the typical person's standard of living by diverting resources from sectors that would benefit those people, into the military industrial complex.

[Sibirsky]

It fixed the German economy the same way WWII fixed the American economy.

IOW, it did not. GDP was artificially inflated by government spending on the military. Most people, did not benefit from this.

Building tanks, rockets, bombs, fighter jets, does not improve the general population's well being. In fact, it lowers the typical person's standard of living by diverting resources from sectors that would benefit those people, into the military industrial complex.

idk, the US got a lot more powerful after WW2, in fact becoming a super power(or at least the modern interpretation of it) and we were extremely militaristic during and after the war.

And?

It's caused countless trillions of dollars of waste. It did not improve the lives of the overwhelming majority of Americans. It made their lives worse.

[Sibirsky]

And?

It's caused countless trillions of dollars of waste. It did not improve the lives of the overwhelming majority of Americans. It made their lives worse.

Really, last time i heard we became a global powerhouse with one of the strongest economies of the world with the only enemy being the Soviet Union

we crafted those around us to our ideology to great effect(especially with japan)

no i don't accept it did not improve, everything points to it improving the lives of Americans.

Lives improved despite the wasteful of spending on the military industrial complex, not because of it.

[Sibirsky]

The United States became the world's leading economy in the 1880s. World War II occured sixty years after this fact.

Suggesting that American prosperity is the result of World War II is roughly as sensible as stating that the atomic bomb started the industrial revolution. Which is to say, it's fucking retarded.

I'm talking about the modern sense of a super power.

I know we were a "power" during that time as well.

Which has cost trillions of dollars. Which made the standard of living for your typical American worse than it would have been, if a portion of those resources were spent on....

Household goods, healthcare, education, lowered taxes, anything, just about. Instead of making products to kill, blow up and destroy.

[Sibirsky]

Which has cost trillions of dollars. Which made the standard of living for your typical American worse than it would have been, if a portion of those resources were spent on....

Household goods, healthcare, education, lowered taxes, anything, just about. Instead of making products to kill, blow up and destroy.

I have grossly misjudged you. For some insane reason I imagined Real GDP or Productive Capacity as your chosen ways to measure growth in.

Basically, the argument here is that WWII really accomplished nothing of note for people in anything that mattered.

Why?

It's not my chosen way of measuring growth. It's the government's.

So, yeah, GDP grew during WWII. Unemployment fell to 1%. Happy days?

No. Men at war, women building tanks while food is being rationed are not good times.

When was the last time you woke up and thought, "you know? I think I want to buy a tank today. Or a bomb. That would be splendid!"

Glad we agree though.

[Sibirsky]

I'm talking about the modern sense of a super power.

I know we were a "power" during that time as well.

Sibirsky is talking about living standards.

If you're not talking about living standards, you're in the wrong thread, and showing a remarkable lack of reading comprehension.

Unless, of course, you define 'Masturbating furiously at the thought of nuclear weapons' as 'High living standard'.

In which case I expect you to acknowledge that the Soviet Union actually had a higher living standard than the United States.

[Sibirsky]

How do i put an url in one word?

Just post the pic. Since that is what you are trying to post.

[Sibirsky]

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How to do that [img] thingy?

Copy and paste the pic's direct URL into your post. Surround it with [img]and[/img]

[Sibirsky]

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thanks

You're welcome.

[Socialist EU]

Where do you people blame this rise?

The capitalist model is in one of its crisis - a crisis they created in the last 20 years of neoliberist socioeconomical policies. So they must create and fuel a reactionary force, to prevent progressive forces from taking the upper hand.

Do you agree with it?

I agree that their numbers are on the rise. I would prefer seeing the same numbers getting slammed in a train and mailed to a re-education camp in Siberia.

If only we had the strength in numbers to deal with them.

[Socialist EU]

For a start, Melas was talking about Pakistanis, not Indians.

Though you did write this:


I don't know if that's sarcasm or not, but the emphasis on never seems like you're fairly certain of your opinion.

Pakistanis are Indians, it's just the darn partition that separated them.

Also, I meant that Indians would rarely ever do that.

Agreed, as Pakistan is what I'd call a failed state.

[Socialist EU]

How can this possibly be justified?
http://www.euronews.com/2012/09/09/gree ... t-vendors/

They do no harm, yet these thugs vandalised their stalls, DISGUSTING! You should all be deeply embarrassed!!!

[Socialist EU]

How can this possibly be justified?
http://www.euronews.com/2012/09/09/gree ... t-vendors/

They do no harm, yet these thugs vandalised their stalls, DISGUSTING! You should all be deeply embarrassed!!!

NO,THE PAKIS SHOULD! These 'people' who do no harm are selling these things illegally and beat up the legal greek sellers of the area

Define selling things illegally, or is this just your red herring. And source for beating up Greeks?

[Socialist EU]

Define selling things illegally, or is this just your red herring. And source for beating up Greeks?

They enterned illegaly,they have no license to sell and the goods are either stolen or illegally shipped,and source of greeks getting beaten up? Well did you see any greek selleres cause I did not

So you obviously support the bureaucracy of the bourgeois state, you stand with the bureaucracy of the current ruling class, some radical you are.

Was their bureaucratic paper checking routine and then prompty attacking their stalls legal? No, so your group has double standards, the immigrant stall-holders must be legal, your group does not.

[Socialist EU]

So many generalizations here. Even after conceding that there are exceptions, you cannot simply say immigrants are like this, Pakistani's do that, Albanians are like this. So some Pakistani's did a bad thing (allegedly). Congratulations. Greeks do to. In fact, have you considered the fact that your perception of immigrants in Greece is so negative only because you want them to be someone to blame?

Immigrants are not the source of Greece's problems. The catastrophic failure of the Greek economy is due to partisan politics and gross mismanagement. And even if you are so desperate to have someone other than the Greeks themselves to blame, what are you going to do about it? Send them all packing? The way things are going in Greece they will soon by choice be leaving by en masse anyway.

This is all that fascism is, shouting and marching, making a big noise and not offering a rational solution.

Exactly.

[Socialist EU]

So you obviously support the bureaucracy of the bourgeois state, you stand with the bureaucracy of the current ruling class, some radical you are.

Was their bureaucratic paper checking routine and then prompty attacking their stalls legal? No, so your group has double standards, the immigrant stall-holders must be legal, your group does not.

Αctually a citizen has the right to ask to see the permission (in greece at least) and I know its our politicians fault,I hate those 'greek' traitours more than pakis but immigrants are still a problem

And a right to bully, harrass and destroy their means of living?

[Socialist EU]

Define selling things illegally, or is this just your red herring. And source for beating up Greeks?

They enterned illegaly,they have no license to sell and the goods are either stolen or illegally shipped,and source of greeks getting beaten up? Well did you see any greek selleres cause I did not

They entered illegally, make them legal then, but you stand with the bureaucracy, not democracy. You're just like the EU bureaucrats, only, you lot take it even further.

And I live in an area where immigrants are, they cause absolutely no problems for me, none whatsoever and the Africans that live next door, very gentle and friendly.

[Socialist EU]

They entered illegally, make them legal then, but you stand with the bureaucracy, not democracy. You're just like the EU bureaucrats, only, you lot take it even further.

You do know what you're saying here, right? You're saying we should legalise theft and selling stolen goods.
That's what they're doing. I know what he's on about - we have them here, too.

No, I said make them legal, I simply do not recognise "illegal immigration". What part of that do you not understand Mr strawman?

[Socialist EU]

They entered illegally, make them legal then, but you stand with the bureaucracy, not democracy. You're just like the EU bureaucrats, only, you lot take it even further.

Thats what traitours like tsipras want to do,make them legal so more come and fuck more our nation I hate this communist propaganda

You're the traitor to human liberation as far as I can see. You want to f**k humanity.