American Presidential Debates Megathread

[Lessnt]

History repeats itself.

Protip: You're actually proving my point.

Its gonna happen.
Cause no one is willing and capable of stopping it.

[Norstal]

"Great" is a strong word. Decent. Better than any governor Florida has had in the last 16 years. Great? Nah.

so that would show that his beliefs on a state level have merit then.

It doesn't mean that his policies would work on a national level. It has been consistently shown that austerity measures drives a country into a recession. It works for states/provinces/prefectures, but not for national governments.

[SebastianTopia]

Both support the bay and patriot act. NDAA. Military. Drugs. Economy.

None of these are true.

How? Obama has SAID he is pro-drug SAID he wants to support Israel, and not get rid of bases. SAID he will not take troops out until military leaders are sure mission is "accomplished", APPROVED bills on the NDAA and patriot act and SAID he was for them. Mitt and Barrack both have different approaches to the economy, but neither will work. Obama spends WAY to much. Mitt is even worse.

[Samuraikoku]

so that would show that his beliefs on a state level have merit then.

As long as there's people over his head (IE the federal government) to keep him from doing crazy things like ban cigarettes (which he tried to do via his wife), yeah I guess.

Being a good local leader and being a good federal leader are two entirely different things. It's like saying a good basketball player is a good baseball player by virtue of being good at basketball.

I'd say it's the same as a pick-up game QB thinking he's fit for the NFL.

[North Calaveras]

so that would show that his beliefs on a state level have merit then.

It doesn't mean that his policies would work on a national level. It has been consistently shown that austerity measures drives a country into a recession. It works for states/provinces/prefectures, but not for national governments.

so states should run on a mostly libertarian platform, sounds good to me

[Samuraikoku]

Its gonna happen.
Cause no one is willing and capable of stopping it.

So you're telling me that there's going to be another big crash because of isolationism, just like happened to Harding, Coolidge and Hoover?

Because that's what I'm postulating (I'm against isolationism), and you want to go against it, not for it.

[PapaJacky]

None of these are true.

How? Obama has SAID he is pro-drug SAID he wants to support Israel, and not get rid of bases. SAID he will not take troops out until military leaders are sure mission is "accomplished", APPROVED bills on the NDAA and patriot act and SAID he was for them. Mitt and Barrack both have different approaches to the economy, but neither will work. Obama spends WAY to much. Mitt is even worse.

Again, I've showed that Obama has decreased spending marginally. It's in the link in my sig.

[Death Metal]

None of these are true.

How? Obama has SAID he is pro-drug SAID he wants to support Israel, and not get rid of bases. SAID he will not take troops out until military leaders are sure mission is "accomplished", APPROVED bills on the NDAA and patriot act and SAID he was for them. Mitt and Barrack both have different approaches to the economy, but neither will work. Obama spends WAY to much. Mitt is even worse.

1. Pro-drug, meaning lower drug enforcement? Prohibition sucks.
2. Supporting Israel is a good thing.
3. Troops out of Afghanistan? No, he's got a timetable. We're out by 2014.
4a. The NDAA was a military budget bill. Everything in the NDAA was already legal since 2001.
4b. Why did he cut all but three of the ten Patriot Act provisions
5. Raising taxes on high income earners WILL work. Will it get passed? Of course not. But Obama's plan works.
6. Congress has vetoed more cuts than Obama has approved spending.

[Lessnt]

Its gonna happen.
Cause no one is willing and capable of stopping it.

So you're telling me that there's going to be another big crash because of isolationism, just like happened to Harding, Coolidge and Hoover?

Because that's what I'm postulating (I'm against isolationism), and you want to go against it, not for it.

I live in california a broke nanny state.
Bad things are coming whether I like it or not.

[SebastianTopia]

How? Obama has SAID he is pro-drug SAID he wants to support Israel, and not get rid of bases. SAID he will not take troops out until military leaders are sure mission is "accomplished", APPROVED bills on the NDAA and patriot act and SAID he was for them. Mitt and Barrack both have different approaches to the economy, but neither will work. Obama spends WAY to much. Mitt is even worse.

Again, I've showed that Obama has decreased spending marginally. It's in the link in my sig.

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

[PapaJacky]

How? Obama has SAID he is pro-drug SAID he wants to support Israel, and not get rid of bases. SAID he will not take troops out until military leaders are sure mission is "accomplished", APPROVED bills on the NDAA and patriot act and SAID he was for them. Mitt and Barrack both have different approaches to the economy, but neither will work. Obama spends WAY to much. Mitt is even worse.

1. Pro-drug, meaning lower drug enforcement? Prohibition sucks.
2. Supporting Israel is a good thing.
3. Troops out of Afghanistan? No, he's got a timetable. We're out by 2014.
4a. The NDAA was a military budget bill. Everything in the NDAA was already legal since 2001.
4b. Why did he cut all but three of the ten Patriot Act provisions
5. Raising taxes on high income earners WILL work. Will it get passed? Of course not. But Obama's plan works.
6. Congress has vetoed more cuts than Obama has approved spending.

I'd disagree on Israel, I don't think America should be funding Israel; if they want our weapons, they should buy them without getting aid dollars to start with.

[Death Metal]

It doesn't mean that his policies would work on a national level. It has been consistently shown that austerity measures drives a country into a recession. It works for states/provinces/prefectures, but not for national governments.

so states should run on a mostly libertarian platform, sounds good to me

Not really. Libertarianism is shit on every level.

[North Calaveras]

How? Obama has SAID he is pro-drug SAID he wants to support Israel, and not get rid of bases. SAID he will not take troops out until military leaders are sure mission is "accomplished", APPROVED bills on the NDAA and patriot act and SAID he was for them. Mitt and Barrack both have different approaches to the economy, but neither will work. Obama spends WAY to much. Mitt is even worse.

1. Pro-drug, meaning lower drug enforcement? Prohibition sucks.
2. Supporting Israel is a good thing.
3. Troops out of Afghanistan? No, he's got a timetable. We're out by 2014.
4a. The NDAA was a military budget bill. Everything in the NDAA was already legal since 2001.
4b. Why did he cut all but three of the ten Patriot Act provisions
5. Raising taxes on high income earners WILL work. Will it get passed? Of course not. But Obama's plan works.
6. Congress has vetoed more cuts than Obama has approved spending.

as a gay man who joined the army, even though i don't agree with a lot of what he has done, i really liked that what he did with DADT among a few other things.

[Death Metal]

Again, I've showed that Obama has decreased spending marginally. It's in the link in my sig.

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

Congress must approve all federal budgets.

[Lessnt]

Again, I've showed that Obama has decreased spending marginally. It's in the link in my sig.

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

When the total debt goes down a dollar and stays that way for a year....maybe I will think its getting reduced.

[PapaJacky]

Again, I've showed that Obama has decreased spending marginally. It's in the link in my sig.

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

...Again, we'll always be in debt, that's not a secret. Like others have stated earlier, what big spending cuts Obama has tried to get through has been blocked.

[Farnhamia]

Again, I've showed that Obama has decreased spending marginally. It's in the link in my sig.

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

You don't cut government spending while trying to recover from a recession. You increase it, to carry the economy until the private sector recovers, and then you cut back.

[SebastianTopia]

How? Obama has SAID he is pro-drug SAID he wants to support Israel, and not get rid of bases. SAID he will not take troops out until military leaders are sure mission is "accomplished", APPROVED bills on the NDAA and patriot act and SAID he was for them. Mitt and Barrack both have different approaches to the economy, but neither will work. Obama spends WAY to much. Mitt is even worse.

1. Pro-drug, meaning lower drug enforcement? Prohibition sucks.
2. Supporting Israel is a good thing.
3. Troops out of Afghanistan? No, he's got a timetable. We're out by 2014.
4a. The NDAA was a military budget bill. Everything in the NDAA was already legal since 2001.
4b. Why did he cut all but three of the ten Patriot Act provisions
5. Raising taxes on high income earners WILL work. Will it get passed? Of course not. But Obama's plan works.
6. Congress has vetoed more cuts than Obama has approved spending.

1. He is against the legalization of Marijuana or any other drugs. Like you said, prohibition sucks.
2. Israel is a complete waste of money, they have enough money on there own, and there is no advantage to helping them besides pleasing the rich ones here.
3. Yeah... just like he said that all troops would be home in his first year of office.
4. Point is, he approved it dumbshit.
4b. He should have gotten rid of all of them.
5. We need to cut spending too, not just raise taxes on the rich by a tiny smidget.
6. Obama has not tried to put in enough cuts to help at all....

[Death Metal]

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

...Again, we'll always be in debt, that's not a secret. Like others have stated earlier, what big spending cuts Obama has tried to get through has been blocked.

Also depending on which economists you ask, being in debt is actually a good thing.

[Norstal]

Again, I've showed that Obama has decreased spending marginally. It's in the link in my sig.

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

What magic trick can make $5 trillion of debt disappear and why the hell would we want it to?

Our debt holds China in place. We have their money. They can't piss us off or we won't pay it back ever. Do you want us to lose our grip on them?

[North Calaveras]

...Again, we'll always be in debt, that's not a secret. Like others have stated earlier, what big spending cuts Obama has tried to get through has been blocked.

Also depending on which economists you ask, being in debt is actually a good thing.

id like to see who these economists are lol

but to be honest i think we will just laugh the debt away literrally cause at this point who is really going to call us on it?

[SebastianTopia]

...Again, we'll always be in debt, that's not a secret. Like others have stated earlier, what big spending cuts Obama has tried to get through has been blocked.

Also depending on which economists you ask, being in debt is actually a good thing.

By economists do you mean your 5 year old brother? And by your comments I am guessing you are two years older than him.

[Death Metal]

1. Pro-drug, meaning lower drug enforcement? Prohibition sucks.
2. Supporting Israel is a good thing.
3. Troops out of Afghanistan? No, he's got a timetable. We're out by 2014.
4a. The NDAA was a military budget bill. Everything in the NDAA was already legal since 2001.
4b. Why did he cut all but three of the ten Patriot Act provisions
5. Raising taxes on high income earners WILL work. Will it get passed? Of course not. But Obama's plan works.
6. Congress has vetoed more cuts than Obama has approved spending.

1. He is against the legalization of Marijuana or any other drugs. Like you said, prohibition sucks.
2. Israel is a complete waste of money, they have enough money on there own, and there is no advantage to helping them besides pleasing the rich ones here.
3. Yeah... just like he said that all troops would be home in his first year of office.
4. Point is, he approved it dumbshit.
4b. He should have gotten rid of all of them.
5. We need to cut spending too, not just raise taxes on the rich by a tiny smidget.
6. Obama has not tried to put in enough cuts to help at all....

1. Nobody's perfect.
2. Sorry, one of our best military allies are not a waste of money.
3. Because he knew as a senator what goes on in the war room, right
4a. Resorting to personal attacks? Also, he didn't approve of the bill that actually started the whole thing, the AUMF of 2001, which says that the president is allowed to assassinate citizens without trial. The NDAA 2011 LIMITS THAT.
4b. He would have if we were in peacetime.
5. Returning taxes to Clinton Levels is hardly a "tiny smidget".
6. He has. Congress hasn't approved them though. BIG difference.

[PapaJacky]

1. Pro-drug, meaning lower drug enforcement? Prohibition sucks.
2. Supporting Israel is a good thing.
3. Troops out of Afghanistan? No, he's got a timetable. We're out by 2014.
4a. The NDAA was a military budget bill. Everything in the NDAA was already legal since 2001.
4b. Why did he cut all but three of the ten Patriot Act provisions
5. Raising taxes on high income earners WILL work. Will it get passed? Of course not. But Obama's plan works.
6. Congress has vetoed more cuts than Obama has approved spending.

1. He is against the legalization of Marijuana or any other drugs. Like you said, prohibition sucks.
2. Israel is a complete waste of money, they have enough money on there own, and there is no advantage to helping them besides pleasing the rich ones here.
3. Yeah... just like he said that all troops would be home in his first year of office.
4. Point is, he approved it dumbshit.
4b. He should have gotten rid of all of them.
5. We need to cut spending too, not just raise taxes on the rich by a tiny smidget.
6. Obama has not tried to put in enough cuts to help at all....

...You have read the NDAA 2012 right? You do know how it actually affects you and how small of it is in proportion to the entire bill itself? Vetoing NDAA 2012 because of one small section is like vetoing the U.S. Farm Bill because it'd allow the use of Agent Orange.

[Lessnt]

And yet we are still in debt, and spending has not been cut enough.

What magic trick can make $5 trillion of debt disappear and why the hell would we want it to?

Our debt holds China in place. We have their money. They can't piss us off or we won't pay it back ever. Do you want us to lose our grip on them?

yes.