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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:59 pm

SebastianTopia wrote:
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Uh, no he couldn't. A veto would mean it would get passed anyway because it had too much support.

In fact, by signing it, he also added a statement that he will not use those powers, so guess what? Signing it was THE RIGHT THING TO DO! :p


Look up some shit. It had little enough support that he could have tried to stop it. These acts are a waste of money and have been proven NOT to work.


IT HAD A VETO-PROOF MAJORITY! IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE! A veto would have just meant the same vote and it passes.

Plus, the NDAA was actually a military budget bill, one that HAS to be passed every two years BY CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
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I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:00 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
SebastianTopia wrote:
You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.


Mitt Romney wants to watch the world burn. Obama doesn't.

Only because obama is too delusional to look.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:00 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
SebastianTopia wrote:
You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.


i find it funny how people can call Gary Johnson a joke yet vote for people like Romney and Obama


Because he's the shit worst in everything.
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Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:01 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Mitt Romney wants to watch the world burn. Obama doesn't.

Only because obama is too delusional to look.


But at least he doesn't, which is my point.

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:01 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
i find it funny how people can call Gary Johnson a joke yet vote for people like Romney and Obama


Because he's the shit worst in everything.


...wait...how is that?
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Postby New Istria » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:01 pm

Obama's performance, I thought, was less than stellar. He came off hesitant and weak, while Romney was aggressive and confident.
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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:03 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Because he's the shit worst in everything.


...wait...how is that?


Terrible federal economics, doesn't really care about civil rights ("leave it to the states" is newspeak for "I know most states will ban gay marriage/drugs, so I'm washing my hands"), and isolationism will turn us into North Korea.
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(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
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Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:04 pm

New Istria wrote:Obama's performance, I thought, was less than stellar. He came off hesitant and weak, while Romney was aggressive and confident.

Obama says he lost the debate.

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:04 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
...wait...how is that?


Terrible federal economics, doesn't really care about civil rights ("leave it to the states" is newspeak for "I know most states will ban gay marriage/drugs, so I'm washing my hands"), and isolationism will turn us into North Korea.


Well im not an expert but does his record show terrible failures?
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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:04 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
...wait...how is that?


Terrible federal economics, doesn't really care about civil rights ("leave it to the states" is newspeak for "I know most states will ban gay marriage/drugs, so I'm washing my hands"), and isolationism will turn us into North Korea.

Isolation will turn us into swiss.

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Felix Terra
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Postby Felix Terra » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:05 pm

Lessnt wrote:
New Istria wrote:Obama's performance, I thought, was less than stellar. He came off hesitant and weak, while Romney was aggressive and confident.

Obama says he lost the debate.

Wait, what? You NEVER say that you LOST the debate. You at least say you did better than expected.
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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:06 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Terrible federal economics, doesn't really care about civil rights ("leave it to the states" is newspeak for "I know most states will ban gay marriage/drugs, so I'm washing my hands"), and isolationism will turn us into North Korea.


Well im not an expert but does his record show terrible failures?


State leadership =/= federal leadership. Apply what he did to the federal government, it would be a disaster.
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(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
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Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:06 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Terrible federal economics, doesn't really care about civil rights ("leave it to the states" is newspeak for "I know most states will ban gay marriage/drugs, so I'm washing my hands"), and isolationism will turn us into North Korea.

Isolation will turn us into swiss.


Swiss cheese, maybe.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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North Calaveras
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:07 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Well im not an expert but does his record show terrible failures?


State leadership =/= federal leadership. Apply what he did to the federal government, it would be a disaster.


So your saying hes a great state leader but would be a terrible president?
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:07 pm

Lessnt wrote:Isolation will turn us into swiss.


You mean Switzerland. And that didn't work for Harding, Coolidge and Hoover.

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Postby SebastianTopia » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:07 pm

Death Metal wrote:
SebastianTopia wrote:
You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.


You have not made any points showing how they are the same. Just lies and misinformation.


Both support the bay and patriot act. NDAA. Military. Drugs. Economy.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:08 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
State leadership =/= federal leadership. Apply what he did to the federal government, it would be a disaster.


So your saying hes a great state leader but would be a terrible president?

Obama would make a great statesman.
Just a terrible president.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:08 pm

SebastianTopia wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
You have not made any points showing how they are the same. Just lies and misinformation.


Both support the bay and patriot act. NDAA. Military. Drugs. Economy.


None of these are true.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:08 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Isolation will turn us into swiss.


You mean Switzerland. And that didn't work for Harding, Coolidge and Hoover.

History repeats itself.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:09 pm

Lessnt wrote:
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You mean Switzerland. And that didn't work for Harding, Coolidge and Hoover.

History repeats itself.


Protip: You're actually proving my point.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:09 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
State leadership =/= federal leadership. Apply what he did to the federal government, it would be a disaster.


So your saying hes a great state leader but would be a terrible president?


"Great" is a strong word. Decent. Better than any governor Florida has had in the last 16 years. Great? Nah.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:10 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
So your saying hes a great state leader but would be a terrible president?


"Great" is a strong word. Decent. Better than any governor Florida has had in the last 16 years. Great? Nah.


so that would show that his beliefs on a state level have merit then.
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Postby SebastianTopia » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:11 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
...wait...how is that?


Terrible federal economics, doesn't really care about civil rights ("leave it to the states" is newspeak for "I know most states will ban gay marriage/drugs, so I'm washing my hands"), and isolationism will turn us into North Korea.


So... if you leave it to the states... the majority of the people there will get to choose what they want... therefore pleasing the most people? He wants to cut spending, the only candidate enough to take us out of debt.

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Postby PapaJacky » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:12 pm

SebastianTopia wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Terrible federal economics, doesn't really care about civil rights ("leave it to the states" is newspeak for "I know most states will ban gay marriage/drugs, so I'm washing my hands"), and isolationism will turn us into North Korea.


So... if you leave it to the states... the majority of the people there will get to choose what they want... therefore pleasing the most people? He wants to cut spending, the only candidate enough to take us out of debt.


All candidates want to cut spending...and getting us out of the debt is a fools' dream for a President.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:13 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
"Great" is a strong word. Decent. Better than any governor Florida has had in the last 16 years. Great? Nah.


so that would show that his beliefs on a state level have merit then.


As long as there's people over his head (IE the federal government) to keep him from doing crazy things like ban cigarettes (which he tried to do via his wife), yeah I guess.

Being a good local leader and being a good federal leader are two entirely different things. It's like saying a good basketball player is a good baseball player by virtue of being good at basketball.
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Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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