American Presidential Debates Megathread

[Frisivisia]

Romney and Obama are pretty much polar opposites.

Gary Johnson is the absolute worst choice.

And why is that?

Both want to keep Guantanamo bay. Obama lied there.
Both want to increase military spending. Obama said he wanted to end the wars. He ended the Iraq won. Kept a "Special Forces" squad there. Increased support to Israel. Bombed Libya and sent Drones into Yemen.
Obama has increased spending, and not cut enough taxes, plunging us deeper into debt. Romney would put us even deeper into debt.
Obama is for the patriot act.
Obama signed a bill allowing US citizens to be detained indefinitely without trial or charge.
Johnson: Would cut spending across the board, stop spending so much money in the wars. That is the only real way to get out of our deficit. Pro Gay and Choice. Opposes that bill, Guantanamo bay, the patriot act.

1) The president doesn't want to keep gitmo open, but he hasn't, and I wish he would.
2) Obama doesn't want to increase spending, and we're getting out of Afghanistan.
3) Spending is necessary when in a bad economy, and cutting taxes for the wealthy hurts the economy.
4) Obama has limited powers made in the Patriot act with the NDAA bill you libertarians are all pissed about. That limited powers.
5) This I don't approve of, but it was already being done, Obama just made it official.
6) Johnson is little more than a joke candidate that people who know nothing about economics support.

[Farnhamia]

And why is that?

Both want to keep Guantanamo bay. Obama lied there.
Both want to increase military spending. Obama said he wanted to end the wars. He ended the Iraq won. Kept a "Special Forces" squad there. Increased support to Israel. Bombed Libya and sent Drones into Yemen.
Obama has increased spending, and not cut enough taxes, plunging us deeper into debt. Romney would put us even deeper into debt.
Obama is for the patriot act.
Obama signed a bill allowing US citizens to be detained indefinitely without trial or charge.
Johnson: Would cut spending across the board, stop spending so much money in the wars. That is the only real way to get out of our deficit. Pro Gay and Choice. Opposes that bill, Guantanamo bay, the patriot act.

1) The president doesn't want to keep gitmo open, but he hasn't, and I wish he would.
2) Obama doesn't want to increase spending, and we're getting out of Afghanistan.
3) Spending is necessary when in a bad economy, and cutting taxes for the wealthy hurts the economy.
4) Obama has limited powers made in the Patriot act with the NDAA bill you libertarians are all pissed about. That limited powers.
5) This I don't approve of, but it was already being done, Obama just made it official.
6) Johnson is little more than a joke candidate that people who know nothing about economics support.

1) The President issued an executive order to close the camps by the end of 2009. Congress refused to fund the move of the prisoners to States-side facilities.

[Frisivisia]

1) The president doesn't want to keep gitmo open, but he hasn't, and I wish he would.
2) Obama doesn't want to increase spending, and we're getting out of Afghanistan.
3) Spending is necessary when in a bad economy, and cutting taxes for the wealthy hurts the economy.
4) Obama has limited powers made in the Patriot act with the NDAA bill you libertarians are all pissed about. That limited powers.
5) This I don't approve of, but it was already being done, Obama just made it official.
6) Johnson is little more than a joke candidate that people who know nothing about economics support.

1) The President issued an executive order to close the camps by the end of 2009. Congress refused to fund the move of the prisoners to States-side facilities.

Well damn, the president is doing better than I thought.

[Death Metal]

Romney and Obama are pretty much polar opposites.

Gary Johnson is the absolute worst choice.

And why is that?

Both want to keep Guantanamo bay. Obama lied there.
Both want to increase military spending. Obama said he wanted to end the wars. He ended the Iraq won. Kept a "Special Forces" squad there. Increased support to Israel. Bombed Libya and sent Drones into Yemen.
Obama has increased spending, and not cut enough taxes, plunging us deeper into debt. Romney would put us even deeper into debt.
Obama is for the patriot act.
Obama signed a bill allowing US citizens to be detained indefinitely without trial or charge.
Johnson: Would cut spending across the board, stop spending so much money in the wars. That is the only real way to get out of our deficit. Pro Gay and Choice. Opposes that bill, Guantanamo bay, the patriot act.

1. False, Obama did close it, Congress won't move the prisoners.
2. Obama signed bills to decrease military spending.
3. Cutting taxes would HURT the economy, not help.
4. Obama suspended all but three provisions of the Patriot Act, and plans on removing the remaining three.
5. Actually, the NDAA2011 was a military budget bill. The rider you are talking about actually limits presidential powers to capture or kill anyone without trial... that we've had since 2001.
6. Spending cuts alone is an AWFUL idea, and Johnson''s not really pro-gay (like Obama is).

[Death Metal]

No, they've had a technological advantage in agriculture and they kept it. Essentially, before the collapse of Rome, Western and Eastern caloric outputs were about the same, and as such, their populations were pretty much the same. However, after the collapse of Rome, the fragments of Rome last that technological edge and their average caloric yields declined. Despite participating in frequent civil insurrections, China never lost their technological headstrongness, and they kept their overall agricultural advantage until the Industrial revolution. Even then, Mao was the person that propelled China to where they are today, after he died, China had hundreds of millions more people than they started with,



...it's called scale. When you have a dozen bad teen fathers in a small Texas town, they aren't gonna form a gang. If you have 10 dozen of those guys in L.A., they are.



The DRC doesn't have a "culture of violence". They have diamonds, guns, and Rwandan invaders to shoot.

the diamonds cause violence NOT THE GUNS

Guns don't have this willpower to posses people. If there weren't diamonds and these other problems you wouldn't even have the same scale of violence.

"Guns don't kill people, Diamonds kill people!"

[Samuraikoku]

the diamonds cause violence NOT THE GUNS

Guns don't have this willpower to posses people. If there weren't diamonds and these other problems you wouldn't even have the same scale of violence.

"Guns don't kill people, Diamonds kill people!"

BAN DIAMONDS!

[SebastianTopia]

And why is that?

Both want to keep Guantanamo bay. Obama lied there.
Both want to increase military spending. Obama said he wanted to end the wars. He ended the Iraq won. Kept a "Special Forces" squad there. Increased support to Israel. Bombed Libya and sent Drones into Yemen.
Obama has increased spending, and not cut enough taxes, plunging us deeper into debt. Romney would put us even deeper into debt.
Obama is for the patriot act.
Obama signed a bill allowing US citizens to be detained indefinitely without trial or charge.
Johnson: Would cut spending across the board, stop spending so much money in the wars. That is the only real way to get out of our deficit. Pro Gay and Choice. Opposes that bill, Guantanamo bay, the patriot act.

1) The president doesn't want to keep gitmo open, but he hasn't, and I wish he would.
2) Obama doesn't want to increase spending, and we're getting out of Afghanistan.
3) Spending is necessary when in a bad economy, and cutting taxes for the wealthy hurts the economy.
4) Obama has limited powers made in the Patriot act with the NDAA bill you libertarians are all pissed about. That limited powers.
5) This I don't approve of, but it was already being done, Obama just made it official.
6) Johnson is little more than a joke candidate that people who know nothing about economics support.

1. Guantanamo is unconstitutional and a complete waste. Obama has came out saying he is for keeping it up. Even if he wasn't, he said he would shut it down didn't he? He didn't.
2. Obama increased spending in Israel. In Libya. In Yemen. We still have a "special forces" squad in afghanistan. He won't bring down all the bases we have and are wasting money on. He has not taken any soldiers out of afghanistan yet, and says that he will not do it until the military leaders are sure the mission has been completed. Even if he did, it would not be over a long period.
3. The more we spend, the deeper into debt we will go. We need to stop spending so much! Gary Johnson is for cutting taxes for middle and lower income Americans.
4. Obama signed bills approving both of those. He said he wanted them passed. He could have vetoed.
5. Obama could have stopped it. At least tried too.
6. As 2-term governor of New Mexico he left with a surplus and a good economy. So there is that "Joke" for you.

[Frisivisia]

"Guns don't kill people, Diamonds kill people!"

BAN DIAMONDS!

Diamonds are a plot to increase the amount of gay marriages by increasing the amount of marriages! Ah ha!

[North Calaveras]

the diamonds cause violence NOT THE GUNS

Guns don't have this willpower to posses people. If there weren't diamonds and these other problems you wouldn't even have the same scale of violence.

"Guns don't kill people, Diamonds kill people!"

Well until you can prove that guns magically control people im going to have to say no to you because a gun is an inanimate object that is incapable of self-harming someone without some crazy accident happening

[Death Metal]

Vote Gary Johnson, and make a statement.

"I have no idea what I'm doing"?

[SebastianTopia]

And why is that?

Both want to keep Guantanamo bay. Obama lied there.
Both want to increase military spending. Obama said he wanted to end the wars. He ended the Iraq won. Kept a "Special Forces" squad there. Increased support to Israel. Bombed Libya and sent Drones into Yemen.
Obama has increased spending, and not cut enough taxes, plunging us deeper into debt. Romney would put us even deeper into debt.
Obama is for the patriot act.
Obama signed a bill allowing US citizens to be detained indefinitely without trial or charge.
Johnson: Would cut spending across the board, stop spending so much money in the wars. That is the only real way to get out of our deficit. Pro Gay and Choice. Opposes that bill, Guantanamo bay, the patriot act.

1. False, Obama did close it, Congress won't move the prisoners.
2. Obama signed bills to decrease military spending.
3. Cutting taxes would HURT the economy, not help.
4. Obama suspended all but three provisions of the Patriot Act, and plans on removing the remaining three.
5. Actually, the NDAA2011 was a military budget bill. The rider you are talking about actually limits presidential powers to capture or kill anyone without trial... that we've had since 2001.
6. Spending cuts alone is an AWFUL idea, and Johnson''s not really pro-gay (like Obama is).

1. Guantanamo is unconstitutional and a complete waste. Obama has came out saying he is for keeping it up. Even if he wasn't, he said he would shut it down didn't he? He didn't.
2. Obama increased spending in Israel. In Libya. In Yemen. We still have a "special forces" squad in afghanistan. He won't bring down all the bases we have and are wasting money on. He has not taken any soldiers out of afghanistan yet, and says that he will not do it until the military leaders are sure the mission has been completed. Even if he did, it would not be over a long period.
3. The more we spend, the deeper into debt we will go. We need to stop spending so much! Gary Johnson is for cutting taxes for middle and lower income Americans.
4. Obama signed bills approving both of those. He said he wanted them passed. He could have vetoed.
5. Obama could have stopped it. At least tried too.
6. As 2-term governor of New Mexico he left with a surplus and a good economy. So there is that "Joke" for you.
7. Johnson is pro-gay, he has said it.

[Samuraikoku]

Well until you can prove that guns magically control people im going to have to say no to you because a gun is an inanimate object that is incapable of self-harming someone without some crazy accident happening

Like James Holmes getting one.

[North Calaveras]

"Guns don't kill people, Diamonds kill people!"

BAN DIAMONDS!

We can't ban diamonds....because

Diamonds are Forever

[SebastianTopia]

Vote Gary Johnson, and make a statement.

"I have no idea what I'm doing"?

So voting for two identical candidates is ok, but voting for a real choice is bad? You are almost completely insane.

[Death Metal]

5. Obama could have stopped it. At least tried too.

Uh, no he couldn't. A veto would mean it would get passed anyway because it had too much support.

In fact, by signing it, he also added a statement that he will not use those powers, so guess what? Signing it was THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

[Samuraikoku]

BAN DIAMONDS!

We can't ban diamonds....because

Diamonds are Forever

And so are the Four Horsemen: Rainbow Dash Ric Flair, Applejack Arn Anderson, Pinkie Pie Tully Blanchard and Fluttershy Ole Anderson.

[Death Metal]

"I have no idea what I'm doing"?

So voting for two identical candidates is ok, but voting for a real choice is bad? You are almost completely insane.

The only insanity is believing Gary Johnson is anything more than a piece of shit, and that Romney and Obama are the same at all.

[SebastianTopia]

So voting for two identical candidates is ok, but voting for a real choice is bad? You are almost completely insane.

The only insanity is believing Gary Johnson is anything more than a piece of shit, and that Romney and Obama are the same at all.

You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.

[Samuraikoku]

The only insanity is believing Gary Johnson is anything more than a piece of shit, and that Romney and Obama are the same at all.

You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.

Mitt Romney wants to watch the world burn. Obama doesn't.

[Death Metal]

The only insanity is believing Gary Johnson is anything more than a piece of shit, and that Romney and Obama are the same at all.

You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.

You have not made any points showing how they are the same. Just lies and misinformation.

[North Calaveras]

The only insanity is believing Gary Johnson is anything more than a piece of shit, and that Romney and Obama are the same at all.

You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.

i find it funny how people can call Gary Johnson a joke yet vote for people like Romney and Obama

[SebastianTopia]

5. Obama could have stopped it. At least tried too.

Uh, no he couldn't. A veto would mean it would get passed anyway because it had too much support.

In fact, by signing it, he also added a statement that he will not use those powers, so guess what? Signing it was THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

Look up some shit. It had little enough support that he could have tried to stop it. These acts are a waste of money and have been proven NOT to work.

[Death Metal]

You have not made any points showing how Mitt Romney and Obama are different.

Mitt Romney wants to watch the world burn. Obama doesn't.

And Gary Johnson wants the world to burn too, but FASTER.

[PapaJacky]

No, they've had a technological advantage in agriculture and they kept it. Essentially, before the collapse of Rome, Western and Eastern caloric outputs were about the same, and as such, their populations were pretty much the same. However, after the collapse of Rome, the fragments of Rome last that technological edge and their average caloric yields declined. Despite participating in frequent civil insurrections, China never lost their technological headstrongness, and they kept their overall agricultural advantage until the Industrial revolution. Even then, Mao was the person that propelled China to where they are today, after he died, China had hundreds of millions more people than they started with,



...it's called scale. When you have a dozen bad teen fathers in a small Texas town, they aren't gonna form a gang. If you have 10 dozen of those guys in L.A., they are.



The DRC doesn't have a "culture of violence". They have diamonds, guns, and Rwandan invaders to shoot.

the diamonds cause violence NOT THE GUNS

Guns don't have this willpower to posses people. If there weren't diamonds and these other problems you wouldn't even have the same scale of violence.

...you do know what I meant when I said that guns were an "allotment for violence", right?

I.E. in a regular country that has generic economic issues, if there were no guns, the overall murder rate would be lower, while the inverse would be true. The reason is that if you have relaxed gun laws in a place prone for violence, then firearm based murders would inextricably occur more often than not. If the only path for deadly violence in a gunless society was generic knives and arson, than that's what you're gonna get. The difference is that unfortunately, getting shot kills you better than getting knived (frankly you can try to run from a knife, guns' more tricky) and fire is pretty obvious. With a gun, you can conceal it and then brandish it for murdering your rivals.

Also, I didn't bother quoting someone, but click the link in my signature. I show there that Obama hasn't increased spending and that it indeed has decreased under Obama.

[Samuraikoku]

Mitt Romney wants to watch the world burn. Obama doesn't.

And Gary Johnson wants the world to burn too, but FASTER.

RED GOEZ FASTAH!