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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:21 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Also, if you look at comparative crime rates, the countries that allow only peace officers to carry firearms for non-sporting purposes have lower overall crime AND lower homicide rates.

Note: I said cops carry guns too, so don't say UK.

Cause your all a bunch of blibbering slaves.


I live in America, BTW. :p
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
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Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby PapaJacky » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:21 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Also, if you look at comparative crime rates, the countries that allow only peace officers to carry firearms for non-sporting purposes have lower overall crime AND lower homicide rates.

Note: I said cops carry guns too, so don't say UK.

Cause your all a bunch of blibbering slaves.


Pretending to not be apart of something that's inherent to humanity is as hipster as it gets :roll:

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:23 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Cause your all a bunch of blibbering slaves.


I live in America, BTW. :p

I live in California.
WE are state for the very rich the very poor and public employees.
Everyone else is ****ed.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:26 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
I live in America, BTW. :p

I live in California.
WE are state for the very rich the very poor and public employees.
Everyone else is ****ed.


:rofl:

I live in Florida. We have more guns in Dade Country alone than the entire army.

Surprisingly, Dade County has a high homicide rate.

I WONDER WHY.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:28 pm

Also, California has some of the strictest gun laws in the entire nation.

LOVE YOUR DOUBLE STANDARD BRO.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:33 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:I live in California.
WE are state for the very rich the very poor and public employees.
Everyone else is ****ed.


:rofl:

I live in Florida. We have more guns in Dade Country alone than the entire army.

Surprisingly, Dade County has a high homicide rate.

I WONDER WHY.

Cause you cannot manage your problems.
Gang violence in Los Angeles did get reduced because of gun laws or restrictions.
It was reduced with unorthodox approaches like explaining why gang life is bad and targeting the culture for years hiring ex gang members to help.

**** aint as simple as PEOPLE ARE KILLING EACHOTHER!
Guns are scary cause they kill people.SO GUNS ARE the problems!

That is called dumb short term thinking that does not manage a problem.It tries to eliminate it by trying to make people incapable of killing which ultimately fails for a couple reasons.
A.You cant stop all the guns.
B.People do not need guns to kill one another.IF AN old grandma can kill her husband with a tea cup....what makes you think you need a gun to kill.This happened in LA btw.

dumb government cannot manage problems.

Some how the USA became a superpower despite their being plenty of guns.
WHY?
CAUSe our government is extremely good at governing.AKA managing problems.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:34 pm

Death Metal wrote:Also, California has some of the strictest gun laws in the entire nation.

LOVE YOUR DOUBLE STANDARD BRO.

What makes you think I made the laws?

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:36 pm

Gun restrictions DO lower crime rates. We've had less armed robberies since pulling a gun during a robbery was a ten year minumum.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
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A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:37 pm

Death Metal wrote:Gun restrictions DO lower crime rates. We've had less armed robberies since pulling a gun during a robbery was a ten year minumum.

Not in LA or California.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:37 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Gun restrictions DO lower crime rates. We've had less armed robberies since pulling a gun during a robbery was a ten year minumum.

Not in LA or California.


Because you don't have 10-20-Life.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:38 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Not in LA or California.


Because you don't have 10-20-Life.

We have the death penalty.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:39 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Because you don't have 10-20-Life.

We have the death penalty.


So do we.

Death penalty isn't applied to simply brandishing a gun and not firing it though.
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Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:42 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:We have the death penalty.


So do we.

Death penalty isn't applied to simply brandshing a gun and not firing it though.

WE cannot carry guns outside AT ALL.
Unless you got a concealed carry permit or have some sort of government sanction document.
The only way to carry it in LA is unloaded in a california approved locked container and lock.
We still get plenty of robbers with guns.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:48 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
So do we.

Death penalty isn't applied to simply brandshing a gun and not firing it though.

WE cannot carry guns outside AT ALL.
Unless you got a concealed carry permit or have some sort of government sanction document.
The only way to carry it in LA is unloaded in a california approved locked container and lock.
We still get plenty of robbers with guns.


And we have concealed carry permits available in an afternoon class. Our homicide AND robbery rate per capita is higher than California's.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:48 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:WE cannot carry guns outside AT ALL.
Unless you got a concealed carry permit or have some sort of government sanction document.
The only way to carry it in LA is unloaded in a california approved locked container and lock.
We still get plenty of robbers with guns.


And we have concealed carry permits available in an afternoon class. Our homicide AND robbery rate per capita is higher than California's.

Cause we focused on culture and social programs.
And were still above average in violence.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:50 pm

Also, guess which state has the least restrictions on guns? Louisiana.

Guess which state has the highest murder rate? Louisiana.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:51 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
And we have concealed carry permits available in an afternoon class. Our homicide AND robbery rate per capita is higher than California's.

Cause we focused on culture and social programs.
And were still above average in violence.


Below average actually.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:52 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Cause we focused on culture and social programs.
And were still above average in violence.


Below average actually.

Above nationally.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:57 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Below average actually.

Above nationally.


Not really, counting territories and DC. And you're smack on the median.

Also lower than the global average.

Japan has a 0.4 rate, the smallest for a major country per captia, and nobody but cops are legally allowed to even own guns.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:57 pm

Death Metal wrote:Also, guess which state has the least restrictions on guns? Louisiana.

Guess which state has the highest murder rate? Louisiana.


might that have something to do with Katrinas after effects though? it kind of ruined the place for awhile.
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Postby PapaJacky » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:00 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Also, guess which state has the least restrictions on guns? Louisiana.

Guess which state has the highest murder rate? Louisiana.


might that have something to do with Katrinas after effects though? it kind of ruined the place for awhile.


The South, which I think we'd agree is a pretty militant place, still has a higher murder rate compared to other regions.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:00 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Also, guess which state has the least restrictions on guns? Louisiana.

Guess which state has the highest murder rate? Louisiana.


might that have something to do with Katrinas after effects though? it kind of ruined the place for awhile.


Even before Katrina, the murder rate per capita in Louisiana was highest of states. Puerto Rico and DC have higher rates though.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
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A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:02 pm

Also, UK has a 1.2 rate. Only US states lower than that are Iowa and Vermont.

And UK doesn't even let the cops have guns!
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:02 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
might that have something to do with Katrinas after effects though? it kind of ruined the place for awhile.


Even before Katrina, the murder rate per capita in Louisiana was highest of states. Puerto Rico and DC have higher rates though.


and this is because of guns?
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:04 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Even before Katrina, the murder rate per capita in Louisiana was highest of states. Puerto Rico and DC have higher rates though.


and this is because of guns?


Well, there's obviously other factors, but there's a noticeable correlation in gun restrictions vs homicides per capita.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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