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Typhlochactas
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Postby Typhlochactas » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:44 pm

Death Metal wrote:Also, do you know what Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxemborg, Andorra, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Netherlands, New Zealand, Palau, Ireland, Saint Lucia, Jamaica, Monaco, Portugal, Estonia, Germany, The Marshall Islands, St. Vincnet, San Marino, and the Czech Republic all have in common?

More freedom of speech than the US.


In regards to Germany, you have to credit the US with the fact that we don't have anything like the BPjM.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:46 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Also, do you know what Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxemborg, Andorra, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Netherlands, New Zealand, Palau, Ireland, Saint Lucia, Jamaica, Monaco, Portugal, Estonia, Germany, The Marshall Islands, St. Vincnet, San Marino, and the Czech Republic all have in common?

More freedom of speech than the US.


In regards to Germany, you have to credit the US with the fact that we don't have anything like the BPjM.


Germany is still overall more free than the US.

UK would be too but they censor the internet a bit more than we do.
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Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:46 pm

Typhlochactas wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Also, do you know what Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxemborg, Andorra, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Netherlands, New Zealand, Palau, Ireland, Saint Lucia, Jamaica, Monaco, Portugal, Estonia, Germany, The Marshall Islands, St. Vincnet, San Marino, and the Czech Republic all have in common?

More freedom of speech than the US.


In regards to Germany, you have to credit the US with the fact that we don't have anything like the BPjM.

Cause you arent capable of fighting or threatening the government lol.
Its called weakness.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:47 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Typhlochactas wrote:
In regards to Germany, you have to credit the US with the fact that we don't have anything like the BPjM.

Cause you arent capable of fighting or threatening the government lol.
Its called weakness.


Then the US is really weak then!

Also, we do have government censorship of media. It's called the FCC.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:49 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Cause you arent capable of fighting or threatening the government lol.
Its called weakness.


Then the US is really weak then!

Also, we do have government censorship of media. It's called the FCC.

I am for the 2nd amendment but the whole world is ganging up on us on that one amendment.

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PapaJacky
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Postby PapaJacky » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:50 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Cause you arent capable of fighting or threatening the government lol.
Its called weakness.


Then the US is really weak then!

Also, we do have government censorship of media. It's called the FCC.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

FREE DEBS 2012!

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:52 pm

PapaJacky wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Then the US is really weak then!

Also, we do have government censorship of media. It's called the FCC.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

FREE DEBS 2012!

:rofl:
You guys think all the laws are enforced.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:54 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Then the US is really weak then!

Also, we do have government censorship of media. It's called the FCC.

I am for the 2nd amendment but the whole world is ganging up on us on that one amendment.


The fuck does the FCC have to do with the 2nd Amendment? :blink:
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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PapaJacky
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Postby PapaJacky » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:55 pm

Lessnt wrote:

:rofl:
You guys think all the laws are enforced.


Don't know who Eugene Debs is?

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:55 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:I am for the 2nd amendment but the whole world is ganging up on us on that one amendment.


The fuck does the FCC have to do with the 2nd Amendment? :blink:

:rofl:
Bold.
2nd amendment determines the the strength of the rest.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:57 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
The fuck does the FCC have to do with the 2nd Amendment? :blink:

:rofl:
Bold.
2nd amendment determines the the strength of the rest.


Not really.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:58 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote: :rofl:
Bold.
2nd amendment determines the the strength of the rest.


Not really.

Check history. 8)

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PapaJacky
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Postby PapaJacky » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:03 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Not really.

Check history. 8)


Whiskey Rebellion.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:04 pm

PapaJacky wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Check history. 8)


Whiskey Rebellion.

Nothing wrong there.
Plenty of freedom.
2nd amendment intact.

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PapaJacky
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Postby PapaJacky » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:05 pm

Lessnt wrote:
PapaJacky wrote:
Whiskey Rebellion.

Nothing wrong there.
Plenty of freedom.
2nd amendment intact.


No strength was had with the 2nd amendment in tow.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:06 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Not really.

Check history. 8)


History shows that the 2nd Amendment didn't solve shit.

The first, The 9th (rights not prohibited are by default granted), 10th Amendment (States can make laws as long as they don't contradict the federal law), 14th Amendment (States play by the Constitution's laws), 13th (The slavery killer), 15th (Equal citizenship), 16th (Income tax)... all more important to liberty than the second.

Hell, even the 27th is more important.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:09 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Check history. 8)


History shows that the 2nd Amendment didn't solve shit.

The first, The 9th (rights not prohibited are by default granted), 10th Amendment (States can make laws as long as they don't contradict the federal law), 14th Amendment (States play by the Constitution's laws), 13th (The slavery killer), 15th (Equal citizenship), 16th (Income tax)... all more important to liberty than the second.

Hell, even the 27th is more important.

It solved plenty.
It made people feel better.And more tolerant of the government.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:12 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
History shows that the 2nd Amendment didn't solve shit.

The first, The 9th (rights not prohibited are by default granted), 10th Amendment (States can make laws as long as they don't contradict the federal law), 14th Amendment (States play by the Constitution's laws), 13th (The slavery killer), 15th (Equal citizenship), 16th (Income tax)... all more important to liberty than the second.

Hell, even the 27th is more important.

It solved plenty.
It made people feel better.And more tolerant of the government.


No.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:13 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:It solved plenty.
It made people feel better.And more tolerant of the government.


No.

:lol2:
What would make you feel better in a terrible and free land?
A gun no doubt.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:15 pm

No, what would make me feel better is not having to worry about my house getting broke into by three guys with sawed-off shotguns.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:16 pm

Death Metal wrote:No, what would make me feel better is not having to worry about my house getting broke into by three guys with sawed-off shotguns.

So live with your government sanction slavery then.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:17 pm

Also, if you look at comparative crime rates, the countries that allow only peace officers to carry firearms for non-sporting purposes have lower overall crime AND lower homicide rates.

Note: I said cops carry guns too, so don't say UK.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:18 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Death Metal wrote:No, what would make me feel better is not having to worry about my house getting broke into by three guys with sawed-off shotguns.

So live with your government sanction slavery then.


Ghandi got the UK out of India without a gun. So.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
(Trump is Reagan 2.0: A nationalistic bimbo who will ruin America.)
Death Metal: A nation founded on the most powerful force in the world: METAL! \m/
A non-idealist centre-leftist

Alts: Ronpaulatia, Bisonopolis, Iga, Gygaxia, The Children of Skyrim, Tinfoil Fedoras

Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:20 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Lessnt wrote:So live with your government sanction slavery then.


Ghandi got the UK out of India without a gun. So.

So what happened to ghandi?

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:20 pm

Death Metal wrote:Also, if you look at comparative crime rates, the countries that allow only peace officers to carry firearms for non-sporting purposes have lower overall crime AND lower homicide rates.

Note: I said cops carry guns too, so don't say UK.

Cause your all a bunch of blibbering slaves.

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