American Presidential Debates Megathread

[Likossios]

On last nights debate:

Everyone says that Romney's aggressiveness was a good thing, but really, Romney just wouldn't shut up. Obama was more professional in that he got to the point (even if he did slip the two-minute mark once), while Romney just babbled on (and it seems nobody noticed that he went over two minutes several times).

It won't be seen as Romney's aggressiveness, with rightful cause.

That 'blabbing' happened on several occasions, and disrespect for the topic at hand was rampant with both candidates.

Pretty typical of any Presidential debate.

Whoever wins this election won't make a difference in the long run. The world is undergoing the worst recession of the last half-century, and neither Obama / Romney will affect its course dramatically.

[Enadail]

It won't be seen as Romney's aggressiveness, with rightful cause.

That 'blabbing' happened on several occasions, and disrespect for the topic at hand was rampant with both candidates.

Pretty typical of any Presidential debate.

Whoever wins this election won't make a difference in the long run. The world is undergoing the worst recession of the last half-century, and neither Obama / Romney will affect its course dramatically.

I strongly disagree... A lot of economists have argued that the government supporting a number of industries has held keep the recession from becoming a depression akin to the Great Depression, and I for one believe them. Obama did what he could to support companies that had no business (haha) surviving, but were necessary to keep from further collapse, and I believe undeniably did a lot to make it better.

[North Calaveras]

Pretty typical of any Presidential debate.

Whoever wins this election won't make a difference in the long run. The world is undergoing the worst recession of the last half-century, and neither Obama / Romney will affect its course dramatically.

I strongly disagree... A lot of economists have argued that the government supporting a number of industries has held keep the recession from becoming a depression akin to the Great Depression, and I for one believe them. Obama did what he could to support companies that had no business (haha) surviving, but were necessary to keep from further collapse, and I believe undeniably did a lot to make it better.

that sounds awfully like pushing away a problem that's still there

America is basically a drunk, drinking to stop the pain but that's not going to stop it.

[Salandriagado]

Yet you asked for it.



And I beat you at your own game.

My nation is better than your nation.
#1 USA.

Number one by what measure? It certainly isn't GDP per capita, education, healthcare quality, healthcare access, quality of life, life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, GDP growth, GDP stability, free trade, freedom of the press, economic freedom, lack of corruption, e-government readiness, democracy, property rights, ease of doing business, globalisation, not being a failed state, peace, divorce rate, HDI, gender equality, agricultural output, economic competitiveness, income equality, global innovation, economic complexity, environmental performance, environmental stability, life satisfaction, inequality-adjusted HDI, prosperity, home ownership, HPI, ecological footprint, suicide rate, socio-environmental sustainability, food provision, IQ, governance, national capability, contraception, education equality, maternity leave, income equality, governmental gender equality, child poverty, child malnutrition, primary enrollment, MDG progress, ethno-cultural diversity/homogeneity, e-readiness, internet access, tourism, industrial growth, per-capita sports performance, energy efficiency, UN peacekeeping contributions, spam emails, population stability, population growth (at either extreme), literacy, urbanisation rate, green energy production, forex reserves, exports, current account balance, surplus, military size, law enforcement, telephone access, mobile telephone access, high speed railway infrastructure, road infrastructure, public transport, energy non-intensity, minimum wage, science education, maths education, English education, nuclear energy production, electricity independence/exports, lack of poverty, electricity access, doctors/capita, engineers/capita, millionaire percentage growth rate, cultural diversity, graduate/doctor retention, education equality, calendar accuracy, science and technology growth rate, eco friendly vehicles, R&D spending, water recycling, social networking, dairy efficiency, business eco-friendliness, commercial bank prime lending rate, central bank interest rate, patents, ship production, digital opportunities, network readiness, internet freedom, per-capita book publishing, television stations, GNI, per capita wealth, merchant fleet, lingual diversity, gold reserves, low energy intensity, chess, sports, inflation (or lack thereof), oil production, low fertility rate, gross investment, innovation, HIV non-prevalence, HIV survival, tourism competitiveness, water overuse (lack thereof), net migration, death rate, low taxes, Formula 1 or beauty pageants.

[Lessnt]

My nation is better than your nation.
#1 USA.

Number one by what measure? It certainly isn't GDP per capita, education, healthcare quality, healthcare access, quality of life, life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, GDP growth, GDP stability, free trade, freedom of the press, economic freedom, lack of corruption, e-government readiness, democracy, property rights, ease of doing business, globalisation, not being a failed state, peace, divorce rate, HDI, gender equality, agricultural output, economic competitiveness, income equality, global innovation, economic complexity, environmental performance, environmental stability, life satisfaction, inequality-adjusted HDI, prosperity, home ownership, HPI, ecological footprint, suicide rate, socio-environmental sustainability, food provision, IQ, governance, national capability, contraception, education equality, maternity leave, income equality, governmental gender equality, child poverty, child malnutrition, primary enrollment, MDG progress, ethno-cultural diversity/homogeneity, e-readiness, internet access, tourism, industrial growth, per-capita sports performance, energy efficiency, UN peacekeeping contributions, spam emails, population stability, population growth (at either extreme), literacy, urbanisation rate, green energy production, forex reserves, exports, current account balance, surplus, military size, law enforcement, telephone access, mobile telephone access, high speed railway infrastructure, road infrastructure, public transport, energy non-intensity, minimum wage, science education, maths education, English education, nuclear energy production, electricity independence/exports, lack of poverty, electricity access, doctors/capita, engineers/capita, millionaire percentage growth rate, cultural diversity, graduate/doctor retention, education equality, calendar accuracy, science and technology growth rate, eco friendly vehicles, R&D spending, water recycling, social networking, dairy efficiency, business eco-friendliness, commercial bank prime lending rate, central bank interest rate, patents, ship production, digital opportunities, network readiness, internet freedom, per-capita book publishing, television stations, GNI, per capita wealth, merchant fleet, lingual diversity, gold reserves, low energy intensity, chess, sports, inflation (or lack thereof), oil production, low fertility rate, gross investment, innovation, HIV non-prevalence, HIV survival, tourism competitiveness, water overuse (lack thereof), net migration, death rate, low taxes, Formula 1 or beauty pageants.

#1 economy.
#1 Military.
#1 Culture.


We still better than your nation.

[Salandriagado]

Number one by what measure? It certainly isn't GDP per capita, education, healthcare quality, healthcare access, quality of life, life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, GDP growth, GDP stability, free trade, freedom of the press, economic freedom, lack of corruption, e-government readiness, democracy, property rights, ease of doing business, globalisation, not being a failed state, peace, divorce rate, HDI, gender equality, agricultural output, economic competitiveness, income equality, global innovation, economic complexity, environmental performance, environmental stability, life satisfaction, inequality-adjusted HDI, prosperity, home ownership, HPI, ecological footprint, suicide rate, socio-environmental sustainability, food provision, IQ, governance, national capability, contraception, education equality, maternity leave, income equality, governmental gender equality, child poverty, child malnutrition, primary enrollment, MDG progress, ethno-cultural diversity/homogeneity, e-readiness, internet access, tourism, industrial growth, per-capita sports performance, energy efficiency, UN peacekeeping contributions, spam emails, population stability, population growth (at either extreme), literacy, urbanisation rate, green energy production, forex reserves, exports, current account balance, surplus, military size, law enforcement, telephone access, mobile telephone access, high speed railway infrastructure, road infrastructure, public transport, energy non-intensity, minimum wage, science education, maths education, English education, nuclear energy production, electricity independence/exports, lack of poverty, electricity access, doctors/capita, engineers/capita, millionaire percentage growth rate, cultural diversity, graduate/doctor retention, education equality, calendar accuracy, science and technology growth rate, eco friendly vehicles, R&D spending, water recycling, social networking, dairy efficiency, business eco-friendliness, commercial bank prime lending rate, central bank interest rate, patents, ship production, digital opportunities, network readiness, internet freedom, per-capita book publishing, television stations, GNI, per capita wealth, merchant fleet, lingual diversity, gold reserves, low energy intensity, chess, sports, inflation (or lack thereof), oil production, low fertility rate, gross investment, innovation, HIV non-prevalence, HIV survival, tourism competitiveness, water overuse (lack thereof), net migration, death rate, low taxes, Formula 1 or beauty pageants.

#1 economy.

Not by any sensible measure.

#1 Military.

That's a bad thing.

#1 Culture.

Lolno.

We still better than your nation.

No you aren't. You haven't even got it into your collective heads that healthcare is a basic human right yet.



Now, can we please get back to something in the region of the topic?

[Enadail]

I strongly disagree... A lot of economists have argued that the government supporting a number of industries has held keep the recession from becoming a depression akin to the Great Depression, and I for one believe them. Obama did what he could to support companies that had no business (haha) surviving, but were necessary to keep from further collapse, and I believe undeniably did a lot to make it better.

that sounds awfully like pushing away a problem that's still there

America is basically a drunk, drinking to stop the pain but that's not going to stop it.

It is if you look at national finances like a business or personal finances. Between the options of an economic collapse, leading to massive hardships for most American and people around the world because as a people we were selfish and greedy, and an artificial holdup to keep said collapse from happening, I'll go with the holdup.

If someone's a heavy heroin addict, you can't just take away his drugs and hope he gets better. But if he's serious about getting clean, you can give him controlled amounts of drugs to wean him off. And if hes not serious, then he's in the same position he was before.


And it doesn't necessarily mean the problem is still there (though in this case it is... the same bankers who caused many problems are still there, and have no incentive to change their practices). It means the original source of the problem is there, and we can only hope they've learned their lesson (they haven't). However, the alternate would be much more severe.

[Norstal]

I strongly disagree... A lot of economists have argued that the government supporting a number of industries has held keep the recession from becoming a depression akin to the Great Depression, and I for one believe them. Obama did what he could to support companies that had no business (haha) surviving, but were necessary to keep from further collapse, and I believe undeniably did a lot to make it better.

that sounds awfully like pushing away a problem that's still there

America is basically a drunk, drinking to stop the pain but that's not going to stop it.

"The bigger they are, the harder they fall."

We want to soften that fall, if it ever comes to it. That was what Obama was doing. It actually deals with the problem.

[Enadail]

#1 economy.

Not by any sensible measure.

#1 Military.

That's a bad thing.

#1 Culture.

Lolno.

We still better than your nation.

No you aren't. You haven't even got it into your collective heads that healthcare is a basic human right yet.



Now, can we please get back to something in the region of the topic?

Hell, I'm American and I know we don't have the #1 economy, I have no idea how you rank culture but by any measurable means I think others do better, and while having the #1 military I don't think is a bad thing, its not exactly something to be proud of.

[Lessnt]

Not by any sensible measure.



That's a bad thing.



Lolno.



No you aren't. You haven't even got it into your collective heads that healthcare is a basic human right yet.



Now, can we please get back to something in the region of the topic?

Hell, I'm American and I know we don't have the #1 economy, I have no idea how you rank culture but by any measurable means I think others do better, and while having the #1 military I don't think is a bad thing, its not exactly something to be proud of.

Must be why europe wants our paper money for free cause our economy is so bad.
Must be why europe expects the USA to protect them because a great military is so bad.
Must be why europe is so interested in the US politics because our culture is so bad.

[Salandriagado]

Hell, I'm American and I know we don't have the #1 economy, I have no idea how you rank culture but by any measurable means I think others do better, and while having the #1 military I don't think is a bad thing, its not exactly something to be proud of.

Must be why europe wants our paper money for free cause our economy is so bad.

Not true. Check any of those indices - the US isn't even in the top ten on most of them.

Must be why europe expects the USA to protect them because a great military is so bad.

We don't. There isn't anybody for a military that large to protect us from. At all.

Must be why europe is so interested in the US politics because our culture is so bad.

We are interested because it affects us. It's still terrible.

[Lessnt]

Must be why europe wants our paper money for free cause our economy is so bad.

Not true. Check any of those indices - the US isn't even in the top ten on most of them.

Must be why europe expects the USA to protect them because a great military is so bad.

We don't. There isn't anybody for a military that large to protect us from. At all.

Must be why europe is so interested in the US politics because our culture is so bad.

We are interested because it affects us. It's still terrible.

1.you still want it.
2.NATO
3.tough luck our culture spreads.Which is a sign of a strong culture.

[Norstal]

Hell, I'm American and I know we don't have the #1 economy, I have no idea how you rank culture but by any measurable means I think others do better, and while having the #1 military I don't think is a bad thing, its not exactly something to be proud of.

Must be why europe wants our paper money for free cause our economy is so bad.
Must be why europe expects the USA to protect them because a great military is so bad.
Must be why europe is so interested in the US politics because our culture is so bad.

I think posters like you are secretly Russian or North Korean agents sent to make the U.S and Americans look bad.

[Typhlochactas]

Not by any sensible measure.



That's a bad thing.



Lolno.



No you aren't. You haven't even got it into your collective heads that healthcare is a basic human right yet.



Now, can we please get back to something in the region of the topic?

Hell, I'm American and I know we don't have the #1 economy, I have no idea how you rank culture but by any measurable means I think others do better, and while having the #1 military I don't think is a bad thing, its not exactly something to be proud of.

'

We do in terms of GDP.

[Death Metal]

Actually China's infantry would crush the US'. All America has over anyone is a good taxi service (IE the Navy).

And culture? HA! Our culture is just a mishmash of European cultures with a few African and Asian cultures mixed in. America doesn't have a cultural identity that isn't random displays of patriotism.

And economy? PLEASE. Even in the Clinton years when our economy was the strongest it ever was, we were STILL #2 behind Luxemborg. And thanks to the GOP congress, technically THE ISLE OF MAN BY ITSELF has a better economy.

[Lessnt]

Actually China's infantry would crush the US'. All America has over anyone is a good taxi service (IE the Navy).

And culture? HA! Our culture is just a mishmash of European cultures with a few African and Asian cultures mixed in. America doesn't have a cultural identity that isn't random displays of patriotism.

And economy? PLEASE. Even in the Clinton years when our economy was the strongest it ever was, we were STILL #2 behind Luxemborg. And thanks to the GOP congress, technically THE ISLE OF MAN BY ITSELF has a better economy.

1.NUKES the answer to hoards of stupid people.WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.
2.melting pot wins big.
3.still #1.

[PapaJacky]

Hell, I'm American and I know we don't have the #1 economy, I have no idea how you rank culture but by any measurable means I think others do better, and while having the #1 military I don't think is a bad thing, its not exactly something to be proud of.

'

We do in terms of GDP.

GDP is at best an archaic and inaccurate measure of economic success.

If you look at renewable energy production, scientific papers published growth, economic mobility, etc, America's "economic strength" is only so when compared to the worst off parts of the world.

[Lessnt]

'

We do in terms of GDP.

GDP is at best an archaic and inaccurate measure of economic success.

If you look at renewable energy production, scientific papers published growth, economic mobility, etc, America's "economic strength" is only so when compared to the worst off parts of the world.

Proof?
Source?
Or BS.

[Maineiacs]

Number one by what measure? It certainly isn't GDP per capita, education, healthcare quality, healthcare access, quality of life, life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, GDP growth, GDP stability, free trade, freedom of the press, economic freedom, lack of corruption, e-government readiness, democracy, property rights, ease of doing business, globalisation, not being a failed state, peace, divorce rate, HDI, gender equality, agricultural output, economic competitiveness, income equality, global innovation, economic complexity, environmental performance, environmental stability, life satisfaction, inequality-adjusted HDI, prosperity, home ownership, HPI, ecological footprint, suicide rate, socio-environmental sustainability, food provision, IQ, governance, national capability, contraception, education equality, maternity leave, income equality, governmental gender equality, child poverty, child malnutrition, primary enrollment, MDG progress, ethno-cultural diversity/homogeneity, e-readiness, internet access, tourism, industrial growth, per-capita sports performance, energy efficiency, UN peacekeeping contributions, spam emails, population stability, population growth (at either extreme), literacy, urbanisation rate, green energy production, forex reserves, exports, current account balance, surplus, military size, law enforcement, telephone access, mobile telephone access, high speed railway infrastructure, road infrastructure, public transport, energy non-intensity, minimum wage, science education, maths education, English education, nuclear energy production, electricity independence/exports, lack of poverty, electricity access, doctors/capita, engineers/capita, millionaire percentage growth rate, cultural diversity, graduate/doctor retention, education equality, calendar accuracy, science and technology growth rate, eco friendly vehicles, R&D spending, water recycling, social networking, dairy efficiency, business eco-friendliness, commercial bank prime lending rate, central bank interest rate, patents, ship production, digital opportunities, network readiness, internet freedom, per-capita book publishing, television stations, GNI, per capita wealth, merchant fleet, lingual diversity, gold reserves, low energy intensity, chess, sports, inflation (or lack thereof), oil production, low fertility rate, gross investment, innovation, HIV non-prevalence, HIV survival, tourism competitiveness, water overuse (lack thereof), net migration, death rate, low taxes, Formula 1 or beauty pageants.

#1 economy.
#1 Military.
#1 Culture.


We still better than your nation.

How the hell old are you? My four year old nephew can put together a more cogent argument than that, and without resorting to "LA-LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" And what adult ends everything they say in what is supposed to be a semi-serious debate with lol and an army of smilies? Is that really all you've got? Seriously, "hur-hur you're stupid so I win" is the entire thrust of your argument?

[The Steel Magnolia]

I'm more curious as to how he has 3000+ posts without a rule violation yet.

[Samuraikoku]

How the hell old are you? My four year old nephew can put together a more cogent argument than that, and without resorting to "LA-LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" And what adult ends everything they say in what is supposed to be a semi-serious debate with lol and an army of smilies? Is that really all you've got? Seriously, "hur-hur you're stupid so I win" is the entire thrust of your argument?

Think it might be satire.

[Wilgrove]

I thought Romney won on style and form, but Obama won on substance. However, Obama does need to get some style and substances into his presentation. Luckily, there's two more debates to go, so he can still turn this around.

[Death Metal]

Also, do you know what Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxemborg, Andorra, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Netherlands, New Zealand, Palau, Ireland, Saint Lucia, Jamaica, Monaco, Portugal, Estonia, Germany, The Marshall Islands, St. Vincnet, San Marino, and the Czech Republic all have in common?

More freedom of speech than the US.

[Death Metal]

Actually China's infantry would crush the US'. All America has over anyone is a good taxi service (IE the Navy).

And culture? HA! Our culture is just a mishmash of European cultures with a few African and Asian cultures mixed in. America doesn't have a cultural identity that isn't random displays of patriotism.

And economy? PLEASE. Even in the Clinton years when our economy was the strongest it ever was, we were STILL #2 behind Luxemborg. And thanks to the GOP congress, technically THE ISLE OF MAN BY ITSELF has a better economy.

1.NUKES the answer to hoards of stupid people.WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.
2.melting pot wins big.
3.still #1.

1. Russia also has nukes.
2. Melting pot tastes like bland nothing
3. Not even CLOSE to #1. And no, our GDP per captia isn't #1, AND NEVER HAS BEEN.

[PapaJacky]

GDP is at best an archaic and inaccurate measure of economic success.

If you look at renewable energy production, scientific papers published growth, economic mobility, etc, America's "economic strength" is only so when compared to the worst off parts of the world.

Proof?
Source?
Or BS.

The proof is in the pudding; unless you don't know the real definition of GDP, or perhaps what fiat currency is.