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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:21 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Romney knows whereof he speaks when it comes to companies shutting down and moving operations to China. He was responsible for shutting down a number of them.


More with India I think.

Bain was just at Cisco "advising them" and a friend saw her department lose 40 people get replaced by Indians and frequent late night and early morning meetings.
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Sapiens Isles
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Postby Sapiens Isles » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:21 pm

Mitt wants to go steady with China.
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Sardine World
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Sardine World » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:21 pm

Des-Bal wrote:"the greatest threat to the world is a nuclear Iran, let's talk about China."



^^
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Daistallia 2104
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:21 pm

And the trap is sprung.
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Agymnum
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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:21 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Mitt is not aware of the framing.

He has set talking points. He's not that fast on his feet.


That's the problem. You're supposed to be fast on your feet in debates.

If you go into a debate expecting your opponent's not gonna try to trump you at the first possible opportunity, you're gonna have a bad time.
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Seangoli
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Seangoli » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:21 pm

AND Obama closes the trap, bringing up Romney's personal involvement in companies that shipped jobs over seas.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:22 pm

We would be buying cars from china instead of selling cars to china. :)
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Alaje
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Postby Alaje » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:22 pm

" We say to our friends in China, " Ok, you're playing aggressively we understand, but you must play fairly."
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Cannot think of a name
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Mitt is not aware of the framing.

He has set talking points. He's not that fast on his feet.

I was just being all 'productiony', Mitt's framing didn't allow for his "here" and "here" to be in the frame.
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Daistallia 2104
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Sapiens Isles wrote:Mitt wants to go steady with China.


He seems to belive in the good ole insult theory of pickup.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Sardine World wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes.

Because the President can totally ensure the safety of every single diplomat in the Mideast.

If you want to sit at the grownups' table, then learn to take part in a grownup conversation.


maybe he should have gotten more security? :l


He tried. The republicans stopped him, while cackling and twirling their mustaches.
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Sardine World
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Sardine World » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Sardine World wrote:
maybe he should have gotten more security? :l


> Get more security

> Give a fuck about the Middle East

Right. Let's just piss away money in foreign affairs when we're supposed to be rebuilding our economy.

Logic.


So we are just to leave them out there to die?

Okay, sounds like a plan
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Des-Bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:22 pm

That HAD to have been deliberate. There is no way he could set himself up that perfectly by accident, I think Romney took a bet against himself.
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Wikkiwallana
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:23 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:He's the president, not Superman.


And even Superman can't save everyone.

Depends on the era and the writer…
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Serrland
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Postby Serrland » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:23 pm

Yewhohohopia wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:"the greatest threat to the world is a nuclear Iran, let's talk about China."

It's a shame there's not a more philosophical argument as to whether the Chinese need jobs more or less than Americans, and why that's allegedly the case.


And with all the discussion and fear-mongering about China's economic growth, I'd love to see meaningful conversation about the opposite possibility - China entering a recession, or if their rapid development stalls, it could have a horrible impact on the American economy.

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Des-Bal
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:23 pm

Sardine World wrote:
So we are just to leave them out there to die?

Okay, sounds like a plan


No, we keep the security forces we have in place there. The entire reason four people dying is a big deal is because consulates are supremely well defended.
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:23 pm

Romney's crying foul. I think this wraps it up, he's dead.

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Tlaceceyaya
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:24 pm

Nothing could be further from the truth?

Well, I suppose you do make jobs at the unemployment offices...
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:24 pm

Sardine World wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes.

Because the President can totally ensure the safety of every single diplomat in the Mideast.

If you want to sit at the grownups' table, then learn to take part in a grownup conversation.


maybe he should have gotten more security? :l

How?
Proud Scalawag and Statist!

Please don't confuse my country for my politics; my country is being run as a parody, my posts aren't.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Xenohumanity wrote:
Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Telesha
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Postby Telesha » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:24 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:Romney's crying foul. I think this wraps it up, he's dead.


Crying foul again, no less.

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Daistallia 2104
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:24 pm

LOL - the auto companies needed government help.
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Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. - Terry Pratchett
Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions
How our economy really works.
Obama is a conservative, not a liberal, and certainly not a socialist.

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Des-Bal
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:24 pm

I'm going to ignore everything except one thing you said, talk about my dad, and politely request you stop hitting me.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:25 pm

"Let's check the record...Candy, where you at?"
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:25 pm

Telesha wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:Romney's crying foul. I think this wraps it up, he's dead.


Crying foul again, no less.


The first time he begged for mercy to the mod.

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Alaje
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Ex-Nation

Postby Alaje » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:25 pm

AH, CAUGHT THE BASTARD IN A LIE!!!! :rofl:
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