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Nietzschean ethics??

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I would've capped that SOB
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He was right to give a second chance
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The shopkeeper is a chump
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Praise be to Allah

Postby Antebellum South » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:42 am

Muslim Pakistani-American proprietor of a New York convenience store pulls out a rifle to defend himslf against would-be robber, but instead of ensuring the robber goes to prison, the pious shopkeeper empathizes with the robber's situation and makes him promise to never rob again. Shopkeeper gives robber a gift of $40 and a loaf of bread and lets him go.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffo ... 9956.story

What do you think? Was the shopkeeper a chump? Do you think he got taken advantage of?
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:49 am

I think he was sweet. These are the stories I like hearing.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Wilgrove » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:52 am

I think the robber will return.

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Oyen » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:55 am

Sadli i wouldnt blame the robber much cause things have gooten really bad in Paskistan a million are homeless , very low supply on food, threat of being killed. Not everybody can handle all that mental stress.

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Antebellum South » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:57 am

Oyen wrote:Sadli i wouldnt blame the robber much cause things have gooten really bad in Paskistan a million are homeless , very low supply on food, threat of being killed. Not everybody can handle all that mental stress.

I shoulda clairifed, this occurred in New York state.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Oyen » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:02 am

Lmao :palm: i must have miss that part my bad lol but either way New york city is not a cheap place to live, especially for a minority sometimes, also personal ussues might be the problem. Again not everybody can handle that.

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Allanea » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:06 am

If you can't handle the stress of life without going out and comitting armed robbery, perhaps you need to be restrained in a special institution - either a mental hospital or a prison.

Hopefully, however, this person will simply reconsider his life choices.

Remember that most cases of armed self-defense look like this (and thus are rarely reported), and do not involve dead robbers.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Greater Somalia » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:11 am

He did the right thing. I wonder why folks don't ask for help instead of resorting to drastic actions like this? I still can't forget about the Californian family that committed suicide because they had financial troubles.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/28/fam ... index.html

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Allanea » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:15 am

Because some people have misguided pride issues that prevent them from going for help.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Valipac » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:33 am

Aren't guns banned in NY? Or is that just NYC? I can never remember.

Anyways, he shouldn't have shot the robber unless his life was in danger, but he should have kept the robber in the store until the cops arrived. Criminals need to be taken off the streets, not given a new lease on life.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Trilateral Commission » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:35 am

Handguns banned in NYC but legal in other cities in NY State, Long guns legal throughout the state.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Purtovich » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:44 am

Please add another option. I think having to choose between giving the credit to some imaginary over-lauded control-freak psychotic and shooting the guy is incredibly demeaning to all humanity in general. I refuse to choose between two false choices.

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Allanea » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:45 am

Doesn't NYC require some convoluted licensing process for long guns?
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Postby Trilateral Commission » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:48 am

Yes it does. The authorities can deny a permit application arbitrarily. Also, handguns are legal in other cities in NY state but the the licensing process is also a pain in the ass and the permit application can be denied arbitrarily.

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Allanea » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:49 am

Thought so. thank you for the clarification.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Kryozerkia » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:25 am

Original options kept with two with a neutral tone added.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Gauntleted Fist » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:28 am

Kryozerkia wrote:Original options kept with two with a neutral tone added.
Like I said before, that's gotta be a useful feature. :D

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby North Avayu » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:33 am

I thing this shopkeeper was very brave and he did right. Giving the robber a second chance may make him think about what he does, maybe this guy will never do anything like this again. i think such moments can change lives.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Allanea » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:35 am

No, they can't. They can change LIVES though. :D :D
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby North Avayu » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:37 am

Oh damn, my English again. Thanks! :blush:

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Purtovich » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:19 am

Kryozerkia wrote:Original options kept with two with a neutral tone added.


Thank you!

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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Colonic Immigration » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:22 am

Antebellum South wrote:
Oyen wrote:Sadli i wouldnt blame the robber much cause things have gooten really bad in Paskistan a million are homeless , very low supply on food, threat of being killed. Not everybody can handle all that mental stress.

I shoulda clairifed, this occurred in New York state.

You sated that in your OP.
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Re: Praise be to Allah

Postby Treznor » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:24 am

Allanea wrote:Remember that most cases of armed self-defense look like this (and thus are rarely reported), and do not involve dead robbers.

[Citation needed.]


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