I can. Yours just don't prove anything, and your concerns have already been addressed. Feminism seeks to destroy patriarchy. Your concerns are with patriarchy.
Moving on.
Not until you get the point.
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by Choronzon » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:33 pm
Moving on.
by Avenio » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:34 pm
Aksun wrote:I have read into what you post and it seems to be all negative.
Aksun wrote:I understand your point, but there are laws out there that are unwritten and societal norms that influence our society.
by Agymnum » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:34 pm
AETEN II wrote:Conformal Veal Theory wrote:
This really isn't true. Just in the past 10 years, acceptance of GLBT people has improved by orders of magnitude.
Basic bias won't. At the most primitive level, racism will always remain. Period. Maybe in a hundred years it might change for the better. But we won't likely live to see it.
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:34 pm
AETEN II wrote:Basic bias won't. At the most primitive level, racism will always remain. Period. Maybe in a hundred years it might change for the better. But we won't likely live to see it.
by Aksun » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:35 pm
Avenio wrote:Aksun wrote:I have read into what you post and it seems to be all negative.
So what?Aksun wrote:I understand your point, but there are laws out there that are unwritten and societal norms that influence our society.
See, that's the thing. You don't understand my point, because you didn't actually address anything I said in that post. Well, either that, or you're being purposefully disengenuous, but that's probably worse than ignorance.
Again, the effects of patriarchy are what cause the societal problems associated with male rape. Patriarchy enforces roles onto both genders; females are expected to be subservient, meek and sexually-repressed, whilst males are expected to be stoic, unemotional and see asking for help as a sign of weakness.
So let's think this through; would seeing asking for help as weakness make men more or less likely to seek help from the police after being raped? Yes or no?
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by PapaJacky » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:37 pm
AETEN II wrote:PapaJacky wrote:
If women can exert the same, why not?
No, the point is that the average male is stronger and faster than the average women. It's simply easier to have a military the majority of is female. I also get why women are typically not allowed in the extremely dangerous spec ops branches like the SEALs, as even one relationship that started could jeopardize a mission in some circumstance. Maybe if they had all-female squads and all-male squads. Just don't want mixing in a critical mission in case that 'rare possibility' happens.
While women can participate in the military, they should have the tests remain at the current standards, and not lower them as I've heard one person propose before.
by Aksun » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:39 pm
PapaJacky wrote:AETEN II wrote:No, the point is that the average male is stronger and faster than the average women. It's simply easier to have a military the majority of is female. I also get why women are typically not allowed in the extremely dangerous spec ops branches like the SEALs, as even one relationship that started could jeopardize a mission in some circumstance. Maybe if they had all-female squads and all-male squads. Just don't want mixing in a critical mission in case that 'rare possibility' happens.
While women can participate in the military, they should have the tests remain at the current standards, and not lower them as I've heard one person propose before.
But that's not my point. My point is that if there are gender-neutral fitness requirements, why shouldn't woman be allowed to fight? As with your paranoia over relationship issues, they're professionals, just because you're a black guy in the SEALs doesn't mean that the "rare possibility of a racially incited team breakup" is going to happen. Same with Gays, same with Political parties. It's stupid in of itself.
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by Avenio » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:40 pm
Aksun wrote:It is not about weakness, but the response time and the society actually doing something about it... This was implied by my post previously.
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by Agymnum » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:44 pm
Aksun wrote:Using media sources can be lead to bias to their point of view. Be careful.
by Kalaspia-Shimarata » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:48 pm
by Lady-Land » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:50 pm
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Are men worse-off than they used to be. 100%. We can't bash our wives, send them to the women's quarters etc. etc. etc.
But the times have changed...for the better, now slowly getting worse
Are women better off than me NOW. Yes, but it's not that bad...YET
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by Forster Keys » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:51 pm
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Are men worse-off than they used to be. 100%. We can't bash our wives, send them to the women's quarters etc. etc. etc.
But the times have changed...for the better, now slowly getting worse
Are women better off than me NOW. Yes, but it's not that bad...YET
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by PapaJacky » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:51 pm
Aksun wrote:PapaJacky wrote:
But that's not my point. My point is that if there are gender-neutral fitness requirements, why shouldn't woman be allowed to fight? As with your paranoia over relationship issues, they're professionals, just because you're a black guy in the SEALs doesn't mean that the "rare possibility of a racially incited team breakup" is going to happen. Same with Gays, same with Political parties. It's stupid in of itself.
Yet we still have the problem where women are rarely seen if at all on SEAL teams.
by Avenio » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:56 pm
Aksun wrote:Would you prefer I rant on and have you say I am wrong based on your point of view? Or state a point saying your sources can be scrutinized.
Acceptance of male rape myths among college men and women - Cindy Struckman-Johnson and David Struckman-Johnson wrote:
Abstract
College students (157 men and 158 women; predominantly white middle class) from psychology courses at a midwestern university rated their agreement with statements reflecting myths that male rape cannot happen, involves victim blame, and is not traumatic to men. Statements varied by whether the rape perpetrator was a man or woman. Results showed that a majority of subjects disagreed with all myth statements, but most strongly with trauma myths. Percentages of disagreement with myths for subject groups ranged from 51% to 98%. Women were significantly more rejecting of rape myths than were men. Subjects were more likely to accept myths in which the rape perpetrator was female rather than male. Subjects' past victim experience with sexual coercion was not related to rape myth acceptance. Results are discussed in terms of societal attitudes toward rape and sex role stereotypes.
Male rape: Offenders and victims. - Groth, A. Nicholas; Burgess, Ann W. - The American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol 137(7), Jul 1980, 806-810. wrote:Abstract
Past research on blaming the victim has virtually ignored male victimization while concentrating on the female victim. The purpose of the present study was to investigate whether or not gender differences exist in blaming a male rape victim and whether or not any theories of victim blame could be applied to this domain. Subjects were given the Belief in a Just World Scale, an intervening cognitive task, and a scenario describing a young man who was arrested outside of a bar where a fight occurred and who was later raped in a police holding cell. The manipulation consisted of whether or not the man had a previous arrest record. Subjects were then given a questionnaire assessing victim blame. Results showed males blamed the victim more than females and that the prior arrest victim was held more responsible than was the no-prior-arrest victim. The present findings are consistent with Lerner's belief in a just world theory.
Attributions of victim responsibility, pleasure, and trauma in male rape - Damon Mitchella, Richard Hirschmanb & Gordon C. Nagayama Halla - The Journal of Sex Research wrote:Abstract
The purpose of this study was to examine the following: (a) the relationship between the sexual orientation of a male rape victim and participants’ attributions of the victim's degree of responsibility, pleasure, and trauma associated with the assault, and (b) differences between male and female participants in their attributions of these variables. Participants were 396 college students. Participants read a brief report describing a male‐on‐male sexual assault. The victim's sexual orientation was described as either heterosexual or homosexual. After reading the report, participants completed a questionnaire assessing their attributions regarding the victim's responsibility for the assault, and the amount of pleasure and trauma the victim experienced from the assault. Participants attributed more responsibility, more pleasure, and less trauma to a homosexual victim than to a heterosexual victim. Male participants attributed more responsibility and pleasure to a male rape victim than did female participants.
Male rape: Offenders and victims. - Groth, A. Nicholas; Burgess, Ann W. - The American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol 137(7), Jul 1980, 806-810. wrote:
Abstract
In an analysis of 22 cases of male rape in a community setting, the gender of the victim did not appear to be of primary importance to some of the rapists, but for others, males appeared to be specific intended targets, and the rapists' assaults were an effort to deal with unresolved and conflictual aspects of their lives. For all offenders the sexual assault was an act of retaliation, an expression of power, and an assertion of their strength and manhood. The impact of rape on the male victims was similar to that on female victims, disrupting their biopsychosocial functioning; however, male rape appears to be underreported due to the stigma associated with it. (9 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
by Aksun » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:03 pm
Avenio wrote:Aksun wrote:Would you prefer I rant on and have you say I am wrong based on your point of view? Or state a point saying your sources can be scrutinized.Acceptance of male rape myths among college men and women - Cindy Struckman-Johnson and David Struckman-Johnson wrote:
Abstract
College students (157 men and 158 women; predominantly white middle class) from psychology courses at a midwestern university rated their agreement with statements reflecting myths that male rape cannot happen, involves victim blame, and is not traumatic to men. Statements varied by whether the rape perpetrator was a man or woman. Results showed that a majority of subjects disagreed with all myth statements, but most strongly with trauma myths. Percentages of disagreement with myths for subject groups ranged from 51% to 98%. Women were significantly more rejecting of rape myths than were men. Subjects were more likely to accept myths in which the rape perpetrator was female rather than male. Subjects' past victim experience with sexual coercion was not related to rape myth acceptance. Results are discussed in terms of societal attitudes toward rape and sex role stereotypes.Male rape: Offenders and victims. - Groth, A. Nicholas; Burgess, Ann W. - The American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol 137(7), Jul 1980, 806-810. wrote:Abstract
Past research on blaming the victim has virtually ignored male victimization while concentrating on the female victim. The purpose of the present study was to investigate whether or not gender differences exist in blaming a male rape victim and whether or not any theories of victim blame could be applied to this domain. Subjects were given the Belief in a Just World Scale, an intervening cognitive task, and a scenario describing a young man who was arrested outside of a bar where a fight occurred and who was later raped in a police holding cell. The manipulation consisted of whether or not the man had a previous arrest record. Subjects were then given a questionnaire assessing victim blame. Results showed males blamed the victim more than females and that the prior arrest victim was held more responsible than was the no-prior-arrest victim. The present findings are consistent with Lerner's belief in a just world theory.Attributions of victim responsibility, pleasure, and trauma in male rape - Damon Mitchella, Richard Hirschmanb & Gordon C. Nagayama Halla - The Journal of Sex Research wrote:Abstract
The purpose of this study was to examine the following: (a) the relationship between the sexual orientation of a male rape victim and participants’ attributions of the victim's degree of responsibility, pleasure, and trauma associated with the assault, and (b) differences between male and female participants in their attributions of these variables. Participants were 396 college students. Participants read a brief report describing a male‐on‐male sexual assault. The victim's sexual orientation was described as either heterosexual or homosexual. After reading the report, participants completed a questionnaire assessing their attributions regarding the victim's responsibility for the assault, and the amount of pleasure and trauma the victim experienced from the assault. Participants attributed more responsibility, more pleasure, and less trauma to a homosexual victim than to a heterosexual victim. Male participants attributed more responsibility and pleasure to a male rape victim than did female participants.Male rape: Offenders and victims. - Groth, A. Nicholas; Burgess, Ann W. - The American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol 137(7), Jul 1980, 806-810. wrote:
Abstract
In an analysis of 22 cases of male rape in a community setting, the gender of the victim did not appear to be of primary importance to some of the rapists, but for others, males appeared to be specific intended targets, and the rapists' assaults were an effort to deal with unresolved and conflictual aspects of their lives. For all offenders the sexual assault was an act of retaliation, an expression of power, and an assertion of their strength and manhood. The impact of rape on the male victims was similar to that on female victims, disrupting their biopsychosocial functioning; however, male rape appears to be underreported due to the stigma associated with it. (9 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
Would you like me to find more? There's plenty more in my university's database where that came from.
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by Norstal » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:03 pm
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Are men worse-off than they used to be. 100%. We can't bash our wives, send them to the women's quarters etc. etc. etc.
But the times have changed...for the better, now slowly getting worse
Are women better off than me NOW. Yes, but it's not that bad...YET
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by Agymnum » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:04 pm
Norstal wrote:Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Are men worse-off than they used to be. 100%. We can't bash our wives, send them to the women's quarters etc. etc. etc.
But the times have changed...for the better, now slowly getting worse
Are women better off than me NOW. Yes, but it's not that bad...YET
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by Avenio » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:05 pm
Aksun wrote:Can only be applicable in your University and not to society in general. For one the sample size used is too small to generalize society, two as I said above the sample size taken can ONLY be used for the University or the city the study was taken.
by Forsher » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:52 pm
Avenio wrote:Aksun wrote:Can only be applicable in your University and not to society in general. For one the sample size used is too small to generalize society, two as I said above the sample size taken can ONLY be used for the University or the city the study was taken.
Good lord, it's my university's database of papers published in journals, not a list of case studies taken at the university itself.
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