Seriong wrote:No one is worthless, some people are just more fit to be 'processed food product - hotdog'
Disturbing.
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by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:42 pm
Seriong wrote:No one is worthless, some people are just more fit to be 'processed food product - hotdog'
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:44 pm
Ulvena wrote:So you want to focus only on the problems with one gender? You realize that men get more prison time than women for the same crime? Women can wrongfully frame men for sexual harassment at the workplace while a man cannot do the same with a woman? If anything, the status quo is better than what the feminists call a "Patriarchy." Which doesn't even exist any more.
by The God-Realm » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:48 pm
Conformal Veal Theory wrote:Ulvena wrote:So you want to focus only on the problems with one gender? You realize that men get more prison time than women for the same crime? Women can wrongfully frame men for sexual harassment at the workplace while a man cannot do the same with a woman? If anything, the status quo is better than what the feminists call a "Patriarchy." Which doesn't even exist any more.
1. Feminism does not only focus on the problems of one gender. Quit focusing on horrible people like femitheist divine as quintessential feminists.
2. Part of the reason women get less time is because we take women less seriously.
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:52 pm
The God-Realm wrote:My girlfriend is serious, and if you don't take her seriously you are going to end up with a big hospital bill.
The reason girls are not taken seriously is because most have annoying speaking tones and they make no effort to want to be serious and instead swoon over 1D
by Not Safe For Work » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:53 pm
by The God-Realm » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:54 pm
Conformal Veal Theory wrote:The God-Realm wrote:My girlfriend is serious, and if you don't take her seriously you are going to end up with a big hospital bill.
The reason girls are not taken seriously is because most have annoying speaking tones and they make no effort to want to be serious and instead swoon over 1D
I'd say it has more to do with the fact that we're socialized not to take women seriously in such subtle ways that we don't even notice it.
by PapaJacky » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:56 pm
The God-Realm wrote:Conformal Veal Theory wrote:
I'd say it has more to do with the fact that we're socialized not to take women seriously in such subtle ways that we don't even notice it.
Nah, I still think it's because this generation's women cannot speak without raping your ears and overusing the word "like" and "cool" and "fashion".
by Arkon Corporation » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:56 pm
Forsher wrote:Seems sort of obvious really, it's all about comparative advantage. On a vaguely related note.Seskany wrote:Feminism (At least, the proper kind) is about equal rights for the sexes. So, no. "Feminists," however, are just bigots with different prejudices then the mainstream terrible people. Note my clever use of quotation marks, there. Fortunately, quotation-mark-feminists are few, and far between. Unless you're on the internet, I mean.
Feminism goes about trying to get gender equality by approaching it from the female perspective. This, when all is said and done, is not surprising when one remembers that feminism began as a ideology that was about getting women equal rights. Now that has largely been achieved (where feminism began) feminism has broadened its scope to deal with all inequality wherever it sees it. Which is the problem, there's inequality that will get left behind and will be ignored by feminism. Not because feminists want to ignore it but because they don't see it. However, maybe if feminism was more successful with what it does see then, perhaps, in an incredibly cynical attempt to stay relevant it will be able to see more... just as it did last time it needed to update.
That bit about not seeing has been something that NSG has been either unable or unwilling to grasp. In the eyes of many on here feminism can do no wrong and this extends to it having no flaws. In fact on similar thread saw me quite deliberately point out an instance of selective quoting on my part in the post where that happened and then spend ages dealing with the feminist arm in that thread that accused me of selective quoting. This wouldn't have been a problem if they had just read and understand my post with the mentioning of selective quoting. It was really quite dense on their part. (I selectively quoted for humour, why else?)the advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes
This is my go-to definition of feminism. It's from a highly respectable source and is only criticised because I don't bother with other definitions (for the most part I disagree with those definitions and they are as respectable in origin). What we see here is that feminists agree with equal rights. More than that, really, they want equal rights. The important bit to note is that they advocate women's rights. What does this mean? Well, quite simply, feminists advocate women's rights to achieve gender equality. Not hard at all to understand, right? Experience here says otherwise, that said this is a new way of explaining this so maybe this time.\
Feminism complains about women not being paid as much. Often, they look at job locations not jobs. If most women are on the checkouts they'll have lower average pays because stacking shelves pays more, for example. This is really more a statistical thing that I wanted to point out. In fact, most people would make this error and I probably only identify it because I've had cause to sit down and think about it some more. This paragraph really exists to show you how easily one can create a passage that is critical of feminism. The bolded sentence exists to elevate me over the rest as I bother to point out that this is something feminists do but it is not a flaw of feminism. (In other words, bias is really easy to create.)
People do complain about the under-acheivement of boys in relation to girls in schools. Boys and English is practically the same thing as Girls and Maths. I'm not sure which is better known, given that I've seen a Simpsons episode working with the latter I am inclined to say in the US, at least, Girls and Maths is. However, that's also the view that's more beneficial to my point (fair, if not balanced). Certainly, having to think about which is better known tells me that they are, at least, equally well known things. That sounds good, right? Well, not really. The simple fact is that boys do worse in English when compared to girls than girls do in maths when compared to boys. This, in an equal society, should mean that that as a problem should be better known. In fact, education is both a glaring success and a glaring failure for feminism as a result of this.
All in all, society is better off for having feminism than it would be for not having it. The challenge today is making sure that feminism continues to be beneficial. The more examples of sexist feminists there are out there is quite possibly for the best. Feminism will be forced to rename itself and "feminism" will go the way of "masculism". The new "equalists" as I dub them will have a clean slate and that should mean that they can do more for gender equality.
by Not Safe For Work » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:56 pm
The God-Realm wrote:Conformal Veal Theory wrote:
I'd say it has more to do with the fact that we're socialized not to take women seriously in such subtle ways that we don't even notice it.
Nah, I still think it's because this generation's women cannot speak without raping your ears and overusing the word "like" and "cool" and "fashion".
by The God-Realm » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:57 pm
by Jinos » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:00 pm
Conformal Veal Theory wrote:Ulvena wrote:So you want to focus only on the problems with one gender? You realize that men get more prison time than women for the same crime? Women can wrongfully frame men for sexual harassment at the workplace while a man cannot do the same with a woman? If anything, the status quo is better than what the feminists call a "Patriarchy." Which doesn't even exist any more.
1. Feminism does not only focus on the problems of one gender. Quit focusing on horrible people like femitheist divine as quintessential feminists.
2. Part of the reason women get less time is because we take women less seriously.
by PapaJacky » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:00 pm
by The God-Realm » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:04 pm
PapaJacky wrote:The God-Realm wrote:I have. They do not act like that, they are still moronic, but that is another story.
Must be wrong part of the country then.
In any case, generations complain about their generations; yours is no different. Men and women are equally as annoying/stupid as they ever were, the only difference is media attention and focus.
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:08 pm
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:11 pm
Big Jim P wrote:Indeed.
by Not Safe For Work » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:15 pm
Conformal Veal Theory wrote:Let's discuss more the idea that men are becoming obsolete because reproduction no longer requires them. Does anyone wish to defend this thesis so we can at least have fun arguing with a devil's advocate?
by PapaJacky » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:17 pm
The God-Realm wrote:PapaJacky wrote:
Must be wrong part of the country then.
In any case, generations complain about their generations; yours is no different. Men and women are equally as annoying/stupid as they ever were, the only difference is media attention and focus.
I'm 30. I'm talking about the fucktard teens who get knocked up and don't give a fuck.
by Roan Cara » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:18 pm
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:18 pm
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:19 pm
The God-Realm wrote:I'm 30. I'm talking about the fucktard teens who get knocked up and don't give a fuck.
by Jinos » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:22 pm
Conformal Veal Theory wrote:Let's discuss more the idea that men are becoming obsolete because reproduction no longer requires them. Does anyone wish to defend this thesis so we can at least have fun arguing with a devil's advocate?
by Ulvena » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:23 pm
Conformal Veal Theory wrote:Ulvena wrote:So you want to focus only on the problems with one gender? You realize that men get more prison time than women for the same crime? Women can wrongfully frame men for sexual harassment at the workplace while a man cannot do the same with a woman? If anything, the status quo is better than what the feminists call a "Patriarchy." Which doesn't even exist any more.
1. Feminism does not only focus on the problems of one gender. Quit focusing on horrible people like femitheist divine as quintessential feminists.
2. Part of the reason women get less time is because we take women less seriously.
by Conformal Veal Theory » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:24 pm
Jinos wrote:Reproduction will soon no longer require women either.
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