You Won't Have Texas to Kick Around Anymore!

[The Cookish States]

It all started here.

If you read the portion of that thread I've linked to, along with many more concerning Texas, it seems as though while people are quick to down the state (on NSG especially) they seem so reluctant and unwilling to let it go.

More to the point, I'm not arguing the legality of Texas secession, I understand that it'd be an illegal act. It being illegal doesn't make it impossible guys...

*rips tag off nearby mattress*

Nope, not impossible.

I'm also not arguing that Texas would win in a war against the United States, I'm arguing that through foreign sympathy, and an ample Texan military that would remain loyal to the Lone Star State (Like, the internationally recognized kind of state, not a US State.)

Anyways, though many factors more than the above two, I contend that there would be no war.


My main question for debate, however, is this...What's with all of the hate against Texas? We have our own culture, perhaps there's jealousy there. We're pledged to serve two flags, the one closer to us first. But, we aren't a just a giant trailer park, we're a real contributor to this Union, and I feel like Texas hasn't gotten the respect it rightly deserves on NSG or nationally. (the giving of said respect could silence all murmurs of secession)

Anyways, I could argue this for decades, so I'll pass the torch to another like-minded person while I catch some Z's.

Discuss.

[PapaJacky]

The majority of my disdain for Texas comes from the snobbery Texans often engage in. They, along with Georgia, are the only states in the traditional South not dependent on Government teat. They brag often about their heritage and more often, about their size; yet any analysis will show that Texas is 2nd if not far behind in size on most categories. Their firebrand of culture rarely is relatable to any regular American, or indeed, any citizen of the world. On a deeper note, they have terribly regressive tax structures along with overtly pro-businesses stances that which, in totality, though employes many Texans, also drive many of them into perpetual poverty. This, "hate" against Texas isn't a singling of the state in of itself, no, but rather the singling of the brightest star in the crappiest parts of the world.

[Druidville]

Oh how cute! Another secession thread.

Texas wouldn't win. The position of the US government would be "Nope, they're still a state, thanks for caring" to the rest of the world, while the 101st airborne drops in with bayonets fixed. It'd be short and sweet. Maybe at a stretch the President (assuming we had one with a spine) would pull the troops in from the middle east, but it'd still be lopsided. Then there's the joys of Reconstruction.....

But don't let me stop the daydreaming.

Do I hate Texas? It's west of me, that's as much as I care about it.

[Gig em Aggies]

It all started here.

If you read the portion of that thread I've linked to, along with many more concerning Texas, it seems as though while people are quick to down the state (on NSG especially) they seem so reluctant and unwilling to let it go.

More to the point, I'm not arguing the legality of Texas secession, I understand that it'd be an illegal act. It being illegal doesn't make it impossible guys...

*rips tag off nearby mattress*

Nope, not impossible.

I'm also not arguing that Texas would win in a war against the United States, I'm arguing that through foreign sympathy, and an ample Texan military that would remain loyal to the Lone Star State (Like, the internationally recognized kind of state, not a US State.)

Anyways, though many factors more than the above two, I contend that there would be no war.


My main question for debate, however, is this...What's with all of the hate against Texas? We have our own culture, perhaps there's jealousy there. We're pledged to serve two flags, the one closer to us first. But, we aren't a just a giant trailer park, we're a real contributor to this Union, and I feel like Texas hasn't gotten the respect it rightly deserves on NSG or nationally. (the giving of said respect could silence all murmurs of secession)

Anyways, I could argue this for decades, so I'll pass the torch to another like-minded person while I catch some Z's.

Discuss.

It's sorta the same way people bag on New Jersey it's all fun and games people bag on Texas because we talk funny and have bush sr and bush jr. Most of this "haten" against Texas is just horse play but their are some who truley hate Texas but that's just them.

[Cetacea]

My main question for debate, however, is this...What's with all of the hate against Texas? .

Cowboys and Inbreeding

[Gig em Aggies]

The majority of my disdain for Texas comes from the snobbery Texans often engage in. They, along with Georgia, are the only states in the traditional South not dependent on Government teat. They brag often about their heritage and more often, about their size; yet any analysis will show that Texas is 2nd if not far behind in size on most categories. Their firebrand of culture rarely is relatable to any regular American, or indeed, any citizen of the world. On a deeper note, they have terribly regressive tax structures along with overtly pro-businesses stances that which, in totality, though employes many Texans, also drive many of them into perpetual poverty. This, "hate" against Texas isn't a singling of the state in of itself, no, but rather the singling of the brightest star in the crappiest parts of the world.

Hey were just as American as you are. just because you hate us does not mean we automatically become second class citizens. What ever state you live in has it's own culture and way of doing stuff. Every state is different so shut it will ya.

[Condunum]

Texas wouldn't have any sort of regular military. The US military swears an oath to the country. Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run when their home states governance says "We're leaving because we're too pussy to stick it out."

[Condunum]

The majority of my disdain for Texas comes from the snobbery Texans often engage in. They, along with Georgia, are the only states in the traditional South not dependent on Government teat. They brag often about their heritage and more often, about their size; yet any analysis will show that Texas is 2nd if not far behind in size on most categories. Their firebrand of culture rarely is relatable to any regular American, or indeed, any citizen of the world. On a deeper note, they have terribly regressive tax structures along with overtly pro-businesses stances that which, in totality, though employes many Texans, also drive many of them into perpetual poverty. This, "hate" against Texas isn't a singling of the state in of itself, no, but rather the singling of the brightest star in the crappiest parts of the world.

Hey were just as American as you are. just because you hate us does not mean we automatically become second class citizens. What ever state you live in has it's own culture and way of doing stuff. Every state is different so shut it will ya.

No, not really like how Texas acts. The majority of US states can find some sort of cultural similarity. Texans have a habit of ignoring any similarities, and declaring themselves the superior culture of the south.

Also, don't tell other people to shut up.

[PapaJacky]

The majority of my disdain for Texas comes from the snobbery Texans often engage in. They, along with Georgia, are the only states in the traditional South not dependent on Government teat. They brag often about their heritage and more often, about their size; yet any analysis will show that Texas is 2nd if not far behind in size on most categories. Their firebrand of culture rarely is relatable to any regular American, or indeed, any citizen of the world. On a deeper note, they have terribly regressive tax structures along with overtly pro-businesses stances that which, in totality, though employes many Texans, also drive many of them into perpetual poverty. This, "hate" against Texas isn't a singling of the state in of itself, no, but rather the singling of the brightest star in the crappiest parts of the world.

Hey were just as American as you are. just because you hate us does not mean we automatically become second class citizens. What ever state you live in has it's own culture and way of doing stuff. Every state is different so shut it will ya.

The Top 1% of Income-earners in Texas paid 75% less of their income share than the Poorest 20% of Income-earners in Texas. In California it's only 25% less.

[The Cookish States]

Texas wouldn't have any sort of regular military. The US military swears an oath to the country. Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run when their home states governance says "We're leaving because we're too pussy to stick it out."

I must step in on this, I'm nearly positive that many of the officers of the Confederate army swore that EXACT same oath.

A bad example, yes. But, if men can be driven to break that oath for a horrible reason, I'm sure they'll break it for a good one.

My final thing is this:No oath turns people into mindless drones created for the Presidents bidding.

[PapaJacky]

Texas wouldn't have any sort of regular military. The US military swears an oath to the country. Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run when their home states governance says "We're leaving because we're too pussy to stick it out."

I must step in on this, I'm nearly positive that many of the officers of the Confederate army swore that EXACT same oath.

A bad example, yes. But, if men can be driven to break that oath for a horrible reason, I'm sure they'll break it for a good one.

My final thing is this:No oath turns people into mindless drones created for the Presidents bidding.

The Oath was made during the Cold War.

[Gig em Aggies]

Hey were just as American as you are. just because you hate us does not mean we automatically become second class citizens. What ever state you live in has it's own culture and way of doing stuff. Every state is different so shut it will ya.

No, not really like how Texas acts. The majority of US states can find some sort of cultural similarity. Texans have a habit of ignoring any similarities, and declaring themselves the superior culture of the south.

Also, don't tell other people to shut up.

It still doesn't give you or any one else even my fellow texans to say our culture is better so were superior. And Texas may act different in some areas then other states but were all still Americans weather were a Texan, or a New Yorker that is what make America great people of many cultures and faiths living together in peace.

And the other things you said that's just your opinion and it carries as much weight as my own opinion. I say Texas is great you think it stinks that is your opinion. But don't force me to believe that what you say is true. Example (I could say your state sucks, then you would say no it doesn't or it's better then my state.)

[Condunum]

Texas wouldn't have any sort of regular military. The US military swears an oath to the country. Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run when their home states governance says "We're leaving because we're too pussy to stick it out."

I must step in on this, I'm nearly positive that many of the officers of the Confederate army swore that EXACT same oath.

A bad example, yes. But, if men can be driven to break that oath for a horrible reason, I'm sure they'll break it for a good one.

The oath isn't that old.

My final thing is this:No oath turns people into mindless drones created for the Presidents bidding.

Which would be a valid point, if you didn't read what I said.
"Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run"

What I meant by that was: Even if they disagree with their government, they probably won't abandon their countrymen.

[Farnhamia]

Texas wouldn't have any sort of regular military. The US military swears an oath to the country. Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run when their home states governance says "We're leaving because we're too pussy to stick it out."

I must step in on this, I'm nearly positive that many of the officers of the Confederate army swore that EXACT same oath.

A bad example, yes. But, if men can be driven to break that oath for a horrible reason, I'm sure they'll break it for a good one.

My final thing is this:No oath turns people into mindless drones created for the Presidents bidding.

How about you tell us why, hypothetically, Texas is seceding. Then we'll talk. Make it a petition to Congress, which is the only possible way out.

[Condunum]

No, not really like how Texas acts. The majority of US states can find some sort of cultural similarity. Texans have a habit of ignoring any similarities, and declaring themselves the superior culture of the south.

Also, don't tell other people to shut up.

It still doesn't give you or any one else even my fellow texans to say our culture is better so were superior. And Texas may act different in some areas then other states but were all still Americans weather were a Texan, or a New Yorker that is what make America great people of many cultures and faiths living together in peace.

I have every right to say what I want as long as it doesn't cause an incident, thank you.

And the other things you said that's just your opinion and it carries as much weight as my own opinion. I say Texas is great you think it stinks that is your opinion. But don't force me to believe that what you say is true. Example (I could say your state sucks, then you would say no it doesn't or it's better then my state.)

Maryland doesn't suck, it's a bastion of liberalism, or at least that's what I like to believe. We try.

[The Cookish States]

I must step in on this, I'm nearly positive that many of the officers of the Confederate army swore that EXACT same oath.

A bad example, yes. But, if men can be driven to break that oath for a horrible reason, I'm sure they'll break it for a good one.

The oath isn't that old.

My final thing is this:No oath turns people into mindless drones created for the Presidents bidding.

Which would be a valid point, if you didn't read what I said.
"Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run"

What I meant by that was: Even if they disagree with their government, they probably won't abandon their countrymen.

Well, I do apologize for skimming over what you typed. You are indeed correct on both notes.

[Condunum]

The oath isn't that old.



Which would be a valid point, if you didn't read what I said.
"Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run"

What I meant by that was: Even if they disagree with their government, they probably won't abandon their countrymen.

Well, I do apologize for skimming over what you typed. You are indeed correct on both notes.

It's no worries, I've done so on multiple occasions, ans stuck my foot so far in my mouth, I had to run with it.

[Marketalia]

Why do people hate Texas? Largely because the leftists need their Emmanuel Goldstein locations and persons just as much as the right-wingers do.

[Genivaria]

Texas wouldn't have any sort of regular military. The US military swears an oath to the country. Political dissonance or not, I highly, highly doubt any large number of people who enlisted into their nation's military are going to turn tail and run when their home states governance says "We're leaving because we're too pussy to stick it out."

I must step in on this, I'm nearly positive that many of the officers of the Confederate army swore that EXACT same oath.

A bad example, yes. But, if men can be driven to break that oath for a horrible reason, I'm sure they'll break it for a good one.

My final thing is this:No oath turns people into mindless drones created for the Presidents bidding.

The American Oath is to the Constitution, not to the President.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

People mess with Texas, especially on forums that lean left, because it has a well-deserved reputation as a right-wing bastion. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing, or that it's true of all parts of Texas, but the general perception seems to be of a pro-military, gun-loving, socially conservative culture. That lends itself to stereotypes in much the same way that the 70s "fruits and nuts" California reputation did.

[Greed and Death]

The majority of my disdain for Texas comes from the snobbery Texans often engage in. They, along with Georgia, are the only states in the traditional South not dependent on Government teat. They brag often about their heritage and more often, about their size; yet any analysis will show that Texas is 2nd if not far behind in size on most categories. Their firebrand of culture rarely is relatable to any regular American, or indeed, any citizen of the world. On a deeper note, they have terribly regressive tax structures along with overtly pro-businesses stances that which, in totality, though employes many Texans, also drive many of them into perpetual poverty. This, "hate" against Texas isn't a singling of the state in of itself, no, but rather the singling of the brightest star in the crappiest parts of the world.

Texas is #1 in fortune five hundred companies headquartered within the state.

[Farnhamia]

The majority of my disdain for Texas comes from the snobbery Texans often engage in. They, along with Georgia, are the only states in the traditional South not dependent on Government teat. They brag often about their heritage and more often, about their size; yet any analysis will show that Texas is 2nd if not far behind in size on most categories. Their firebrand of culture rarely is relatable to any regular American, or indeed, any citizen of the world. On a deeper note, they have terribly regressive tax structures along with overtly pro-businesses stances that which, in totality, though employes many Texans, also drive many of them into perpetual poverty. This, "hate" against Texas isn't a singling of the state in of itself, no, but rather the singling of the brightest star in the crappiest parts of the world.

Texas is #1 in fortune five hundred companies headquartered within the state.

So?

[Gig em Aggies]

It still doesn't give you or any one else even my fellow texans to say our culture is better so were superior. And Texas may act different in some areas then other states but were all still Americans weather were a Texan, or a New Yorker that is what make America great people of many cultures and faiths living together in peace.

I have every right to say what I want as long as it doesn't cause an incident, thank you.

And the other things you said that's just your opinion and it carries as much weight as my own opinion. I say Texas is great you think it stinks that is your opinion. But don't force me to believe that what you say is true. Example (I could say your state sucks, then you would say no it doesn't or it's better then my state.)

Maryland doesn't suck, it's a bastion of liberalism, or at least that's what I like to believe. We try.

See that's what I mean you just said Maryland doesn't suck. So why is it okay for you to bag on Texas and if i bag on Maryland it's just wrong. Texas as with every single state in the US will have different cultures if you don't like it fine just don't go around saying your culture and state is better then the others as an insult to other people on here.

[Revolutopia]

The majority of my disdain for Texas comes from the snobbery Texans often engage in. They, along with Georgia, are the only states in the traditional South not dependent on Government teat. They brag often about their heritage and more often, about their size; yet any analysis will show that Texas is 2nd if not far behind in size on most categories. Their firebrand of culture rarely is relatable to any regular American, or indeed, any citizen of the world. On a deeper note, they have terribly regressive tax structures along with overtly pro-businesses stances that which, in totality, though employes many Texans, also drive many of them into perpetual poverty. This, "hate" against Texas isn't a singling of the state in of itself, no, but rather the singling of the brightest star in the crappiest parts of the world.

Texas is #1 in fortune five hundred companies headquartered within the state.

According CNNMoney Texas has only 52 companies compared to California having 53.

[Condunum]

I have every right to say what I want as long as it doesn't cause an incident, thank you.



Maryland doesn't suck, it's a bastion of liberalism, or at least that's what I like to believe. We try.

See that's what I mean you just said Maryland doesn't suck. So why is it okay for you to bag on Texas and if i bag on Maryland it's just wrong. Texas as with every single state in the US will have different cultures if you don't like it fine just don't go around saying your culture and state is better then the others as an insult to other people on here.

I never said it was wrong. See, now you're putting words in my mouth. With that attitude, you won't last long here.