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Postby Williamson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:58 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Yet you...

A) have very little knowledge.
B) don't need it.

A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.

Never answered my question. Why not go to a libray.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:58 pm

Wirbel wrote:


No, No, No, and No.

$14.3 Trillion > $7.39 Trillion


The empire was wayyyyyyy bigger than that...
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:58 pm

Who was it that went to the mods about a "personal attack" again? And said personal attacks don't belong on NS?

;)
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:58 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Which capitalists do a lot more of. Those filthy, greedy capitalists. ]

:palm:

Source?

:palm:
They have more money in the first place?

If I claim the sky is blue, will you ask for a source for that?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/1 ... 59562.html

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/21/mos ... ally-free/
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:59 pm

Vazeckta wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:
Enjoyment is important. Whatever people enjoy, they should be able to get, as long as it causes no harm to anyone else.

So long as they pay for it themselves, of course.

Yes, that too.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:00 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Yet you...

A) have very little knowledge.
B) don't need it.

A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.

I can't insult something that does not exist.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:01 pm

Williamson wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.

Never answered my question. Why not go to a libray.

Oh sorry I forgot you. I do go to the library a bit, I enjoy reading, but it is easier to just hop on the computer.

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.

I can't insult something that does not exist.

Cool flaming, yeah thats cool yeah.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:01 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.

I can't insult something that does not exist.


flawless victory.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:03 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Williamson wrote:Never answered my question. Why not go to a libray.

Oh sorry I forgot you. I do go to the library a bit, I enjoy reading, but it is easier to just hop on the computer.

Sibirsky wrote:I can't insult something that does not exist.

Cool flaming, yeah thats cool yeah.


"easier."
pahahah.
Haaaaaaaaahahahah.
Ok, so for your CONVIENIENCE, you deserve a luxury.
It's not even necessary to enjoy the luxury.

I don't need chocolate, but i'm not buying a thing that produces chocolate for me just because I can't be assed to go outside and pick chocolate off the ground that's freely available.
Literally almost any single luxury is more justified than your "It's just easier" excuse.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:03 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Oh sorry I forgot you. I do go to the library a bit, I enjoy reading, but it is easier to just hop on the computer.


Cool flaming, yeah thats cool yeah.


"easier."
pahahah.
Haaaaaaaaahahahah.
Ok, so for your CONVIENIENCE, you deserve a luxury.
It's not even necessary to enjoy the luxury.

I don't need chocolate, but i'm not buying a thing that produces chocolate for me just because I can't be assed to go outside and pick chocolate off the ground that's freely available.
Literally almost any single luxury is more justified than your "It's just easier" excuse.

Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.
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Postby Wirbel » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:04 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Yet you...

A) have very little knowledge.
B) don't need it.

A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.


Hahhahahaha! I hate the my opponent! I'll just call them stupid and give no reason for it!
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:04 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
"easier."
pahahah.
Haaaaaaaaahahahah.
Ok, so for your CONVIENIENCE, you deserve a luxury.
It's not even necessary to enjoy the luxury.

I don't need chocolate, but i'm not buying a thing that produces chocolate for me just because I can't be assed to go outside and pick chocolate off the ground that's freely available.
Literally almost any single luxury is more justified than your "It's just easier" excuse.

Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.


Define "old".
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
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Postby Williamson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:05 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Williamson wrote:Never answered my question. Why not go to a libray.

Oh sorry I forgot you. I do go to the library a bit, I enjoy reading, but it is easier to just hop on the computer.

Sibirsky wrote:I can't insult something that does not exist.

Cool flaming, yeah thats cool yeah.

Okay but the system you seem to like you wouldn't be able to afford a computer or anything that is not nessiary to survival so why do like that system.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:05 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.


Doesn't matter, according to your earlier standpoint, it's still luxury. You're still posting here, so I don't suppose you'll donate it. Continuing your hypocritical stance.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:06 pm

Death Metal wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.


Define "old".

Over a decade old.

Samuraikoku wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.


Doesn't matter, according to your earlier standpoint, it's still luxury. You're still posting here, so I don't suppose you'll donate it. Continuing your hypocritical stance.

I didnt say all non essentials were bad.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:06 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Define "old".

Over a decade old.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Doesn't matter, according to your earlier standpoint, it's still luxury. You're still posting here, so I don't suppose you'll donate it. Continuing your hypocritical stance.

I didnt say all non essentials were bad.



So how do we decide what non-essentials should be produced
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:07 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
"easier."
pahahah.
Haaaaaaaaahahahah.
Ok, so for your CONVIENIENCE, you deserve a luxury.
It's not even necessary to enjoy the luxury.

I don't need chocolate, but i'm not buying a thing that produces chocolate for me just because I can't be assed to go outside and pick chocolate off the ground that's freely available.
Literally almost any single luxury is more justified than your "It's just easier" excuse.

Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.


How do you define luxury?

Some define it, as not a necessity. Therefore, your computer is a luxury.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:08 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.


How do you define luxury?

Some define it, as not a necessity. Therefore, your computer is a luxury.


Computer ownership is now at about 4-5% of the worlds population.
Congratulations on being in the elite. So, is it only capitalist horribleness if it's 1%, not the 4-5 you happen to occupy?
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:08 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Luxury? I have an old desktop computer.


How do you define luxury?

Some define it, as not a necessity. Therefore, your computer is a luxury.

Luxury as in extravegant.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:08 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I didnt say all non essentials were bad.


Except you did.

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:No.

Well if they have essentials than they dont need extra money.

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Postby Williamson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:08 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Define "old".

Over a decade old.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Doesn't matter, according to your earlier standpoint, it's still luxury. You're still posting here, so I don't suppose you'll donate it. Continuing your hypocritical stance.

I didnt say all non essentials were bad.

again but in the system you want there would be no non essentials that can make your life easier. Yet you countine to support it why?

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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:08 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Define "old".

Over a decade old.


Okay, so probably Windows XP-compliant.

That's nice.

My local library's cataloge computer still uses Dos Shell.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:09 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:
How do you define luxury?

Some define it, as not a necessity. Therefore, your computer is a luxury.

Luxury as in extravegant.


"Computer ownership is now at about 4-5% of the worlds population.
Congratulations on being in the elite. So, is it only capitalist horribleness if it's 1%, not the 4-5 you happen to occupy?"
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:09 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I didnt say all non essentials were bad.


Except you did.

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:No.

Well if they have essentials than they dont need extra money.

That isnt saying all non esstentials are bad.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:
How do you define luxury?

Some define it, as not a necessity. Therefore, your computer is a luxury.


Computer ownership is now at about 4-5% of the worlds population.
Congratulations on being in the elite.

lol well atleast I feel special now. But it is rather common in my area actually.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:10 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Except you did.


That isnt saying all non esstentials are bad.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Computer ownership is now at about 4-5% of the worlds population.
Congratulations on being in the elite.

lol well atleast I feel special now. But it is rather common in my area actually.


Ah, so it's alright to benefit from capitalism so long as you like in a rich neighbourhood.
Just gotta make sure no poor people live "In your area."
That should be easy. Just jack up house prices.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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