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Postby Wirbel » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:47 pm

4years wrote:
Norsklow wrote:
Theorerical assertions without a shred of empirical evidence, but a lot of propaganda. I said that the backing was theoritical and explained why it was theoritical. Then I continued on to provided the theoritical backing.
-snip- because stupid
Thanks for making that clear that you're pulling things out of your behind. Prove that capitalist societies have a higher rate of production and inovation then communist socities. With empirical evidence. Oh wait you can't for the same reason that the backing for my statement is theoritical. You must draw on theory as much as I do. Does this mean you are pulling things out of your behind? (to use your vulgar terminology)


The United States of America is the richest, most advanced nation in the world. Give me one example of a country with more wealth and power that is not capitalist.
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Soviet Russia Republic wrote:Yes, they could. They'll likely not get seven years.


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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:48 pm

Wirbel wrote:
4years wrote:


The United States of America is the richest, most advanced nation in the world. Give me one example of a country with more wealth and power that is not capitalist.


The British Empire.
-Insert simpsons USSR scene here with the nation replaced-

(Would make a lot of sense too. We just pretended to decolonize to remove the competition :p )
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:48 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Because you're the one arguing that people don't need big SUVs and flat TV screens. Or computers. Therefore, lead by example and practice what you preach. I think I've told this to you before.

I rely on my computer for research purposes.

You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:48 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Ehm...darn it. Well donating money and food and whatnot is just as good.


So you admit defeat.

My work here is done.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:48 pm

Wirbel wrote:
4years wrote:


The United States of America is the richest, most advanced nation in the world. Give me one example of a country with more wealth and power that is not capitalist.

There are none. And this is because capitalism breeds wealth and power, but also poverty and slavery. The true metrics of a great country are happiness, health, and education, not military might and money.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:49 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I rely on my computer for research purposes.

You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.

Knowlege is power.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:49 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I rely on my computer for research purposes.

You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.


Or use the damn State service and go to the public library, as suggested. WORKERS' REVOLUTION!

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:49 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.

Knowlege is power.


So is money. Whats your point.
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:49 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:I'm not specifically calling you a freak. I'm calling us all freaks. So that makes it ok.


I'll do one better, and argue that every living person is abnormal (ie a "freak") by nature of being alive, due to the sheer ratio of living beings to deceased beings.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:49 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.

Knowlege is power.


Guard it well.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:49 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.

Knowlege is power.

You power-hungry monster. Go be a Fascist, Mussolini.
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Postby Wirbel » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:50 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Wirbel wrote:
The United States of America is the richest, most advanced nation in the world. Give me one example of a country with more wealth and power that is not capitalist.


The British Empire.
-Insert simpsons USSR scene here with the nation replaced-

(Would make a lot of sense too. We just pretended to decolonize to remove the competition :p )


In what year?
Costa Fiero wrote:
Soviet Russia Republic wrote:Yes, they could. They'll likely not get seven years.


Nah, they'll probably end up in one of the gulags rehabilitation facilities in Siberia.

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:50 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Ah, so you don't want to donate your non-essential computer, but you preach others to do it.

I don't think you see the hypocrisy in that.

Ehm...darn it. Well donating money and food and whatnot is just as good.

Which capitalists do a lot more of. Those filthy, greedy capitalists. ]

:palm:
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:50 pm

Wirbel wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The British Empire.
-Insert simpsons USSR scene here with the nation replaced-

(Would make a lot of sense too. We just pretended to decolonize to remove the competition :p )


In what year?


THIS year...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOrt1grRrI

http://safalra.com/other/british-empire ... re-map.png

Overnight :p
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Gaveo » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:51 pm

I get overboard (lately) with subjects like this so I am just going to say this, capitalism is good its has made nations prosper and without it we would not have things today, examples are computers, internet, superpowers, cars, the industrial age, etc. Sure it has stumbles and is corrupt (sometimes) but it has made so many nations (when used right) successful and prosperous.
Bruh.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:51 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Ehm...darn it. Well donating money and food and whatnot is just as good.

Which capitalists do a lot more of. Those filthy, greedy capitalists. ]

:palm:

Source?
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:52 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:
There were shortages of necessities. Not to mention the fact that wants are important. Not as important as needs, of course. But important, nonetheless.

Important? The hundreds of shoes a woman wants is important? Really?

:palm:
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:52 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Which capitalists do a lot more of. Those filthy, greedy capitalists. ]

:palm:

Source?


You think people can donate shit if they don't own it?
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Postby Williamson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:52 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.

Knowlege is power.

So why not read books.

Look just stop now you already lost the debate. Everyone knows your aguments is bullshit.

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:54 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:You don't need research.

Sell it, you hypocrite. Better yet, give it away.

Knowlege is power.

Yet you...

A) have very little knowledge.
B) don't need it.
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:54 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Which capitalists do a lot more of. Those filthy, greedy capitalists. ]

:palm:

Source?


I'd look for one, but you'd dismiss it anyway.
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Postby Vazeckta » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:55 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Important? The hundreds of shoes a woman wants is important? Really?

:palm:
Enjoyment is important. Whatever people enjoy, they should be able to get, as long as it causes no harm to anyone else.

So long as they pay for it themselves, of course.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:55 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Knowlege is power.

Yet you...

A) have very little knowledge.
B) don't need it.

A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:56 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Yet you...

A) have very little knowledge.
B) don't need it.

A)Cool insult my intellegence. Thats a way to win a debate.


So is "Meh", "Eh darn it", or spitting out empty platitudes like "Knowledge is power."

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Postby Wirbel » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:57 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Wirbel wrote:
In what year?


THIS year...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOrt1grRrI


No, No, No, and No.

$14.3 Trillion > $7.39 Trillion
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Nah, they'll probably end up in one of the gulags rehabilitation facilities in Siberia.

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