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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:31 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Williamson wrote:why don't you sell everything that's yours the unnessary and give the money to the poor. Like your computer.

I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?


We aren't the ones saying people don't need anything except the bare essentials.
You are.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:32 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Williamson wrote:why don't you sell everything that's yours the unnessary and give the money to the poor. Like your computer.

I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?


Because he's not the one who is preaching aestheticism?
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34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:32 pm

Death Metal wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?


Because he's not the one who is preaching aestheticism?


He'd make stalin proud for sure.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Williamson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:33 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Williamson wrote:why don't you sell everything that's yours the unnessary and give the money to the poor. Like your computer.

I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?

Your the one that is saying nobody needs anything the isn't need to survive so you don't need that computer your on because you don't need it to survive. By the way i have given to charitites and poor people before.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:33 pm

Death Metal wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?


Because he's not the one who is preaching aestheticism?

Asceticism.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:33 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?


Because you're the one arguing that people don't need big SUVs and flat TV screens. Or computers. Therefore, lead by example and practice what you preach. I think I've told this to you before.

I rely on my computer for research purposes.

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:No.

Well if they have essentials than they dont need extra money.

Our Soviet friend was keeping an "enemy" out of power. So would the CPA. What's the difference?

Agreed that they don't need it, but they should still be able to get it.

...Ok killing is wrong nomatter who it is.

Maybe.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:34 pm

Death Metal wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?


Because he's not the one who is preaching aestheticism?

What's that got to do with living simply?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:35 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I rely on my computer for research purposes.


Use the State service and go to the damn public library, you filthy capitalist. *nods*
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:35 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Because you're the one arguing that people don't need big SUVs and flat TV screens. Or computers. Therefore, lead by example and practice what you preach. I think I've told this to you before.

I rely on my computer for research purposes.

Vazeckta wrote:Our Soviet friend was keeping an "enemy" out of power. So would the CPA. What's the difference?

Agreed that they don't need it, but they should still be able to get it.

...Ok killing is wrong nomatter who it is.

Maybe.




What research purposes.
Why are you using it for personal pleasure? Is having a nation in NS part of your research?

I need my SUV and Hi-Def TV.
For research purposes.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:35 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Well then, you admit you don't have any credible sources.

Almost all sites dealing with capitlism are biased.


I submit that you should dismiss your own argument based on this capitalist bias.

On the grounds that it is on an entrepreneurial, and therefore capitalist, website.
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I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:36 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I rely on my computer for research purposes.


Use the State service and go to the damn public library, you filthy capitalist. *nods*

Meh.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I rely on my computer for research purposes.


...Ok killing is wrong nomatter who it is.

Maybe.




What research purposes.

I spend a lot of spair time researching history and such.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:37 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Use the State service and go to the damn public library, you filthy capitalist. *nods*

Meh.

Ostroeuropa wrote:


What research purposes.

I spend a lot of spair time researching history and such.



Oh good, Meh is an argument now? You can research history and such in a public library.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Vazeckta » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:37 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Vazeckta wrote:Our Soviet friend was keeping an "enemy" out of power. So would the CPA. What's the difference?

Agreed that they don't need it, but they should still be able to get it.

...Ok killing is wrong nomatter who it is.

Maybe.

Good, now that's settled.

Maybe? There wasn't a maybe in the USSR so far as I know. Communism doesn't allow for a maybe.
Capitalism gives a definitely.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:37 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Meh.


Ah, so you don't want to donate your non-essential computer, but you preach others to do it.

I don't think you see the hypocrisy in that.

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Postby Williamson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:39 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Because you're the one arguing that people don't need big SUVs and flat TV screens. Or computers. Therefore, lead by example and practice what you preach. I think I've told this to you before.

I rely on my computer for research purposes.

Vazeckta wrote:Our Soviet friend was keeping an "enemy" out of power. So would the CPA. What's the difference?

Agreed that they don't need it, but they should still be able to get it.

...Ok killing is wrong nomatter who it is.

Maybe.

Well you don't need your computer to survive do you. No so under your system that you want you would have a computer. All you would have nothing but food, water, housing, and clothing. Would you want to live like that.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:41 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Meh.


Ah, so you don't want to donate your non-essential computer, but you preach others to do it.

I don't think you see the hypocrisy in that.

Ehm...darn it. Well donating money and food and whatnot is just as good.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:41 pm

for the record, i'm not a capitalist.
I'm a free market syndicalist.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:42 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:The tsar was dead. He was trying to use fear as a weapon. To get the populance to obey.

And? Incomes were fucking pathetic. Adjusted for cost of living, exchange rates, any way you want, people were poor.

Well fair enough.

If people can buy necessities than things are fine. People dont need to buy big SUV's, flatscreen tv's, and other capitalist things.

:palm:
There were shortages of necessities. Not to mention the fact that wants are important. Not as important as needs, of course. But important, nonetheless.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:43 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Ah, so you don't want to donate your non-essential computer, but you preach others to do it.

I don't think you see the hypocrisy in that.

Ehm...darn it. Well donating money and food and whatnot is just as good.


Really?
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Postby Williamson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:43 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Ah, so you don't want to donate your non-essential computer, but you preach others to do it.

I don't think you see the hypocrisy in that.

Ehm...darn it. Well donating money and food and whatnot is just as good.

I see how it is. Everyone else shouldn't have non-essential items but you can.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:43 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well fair enough.

If people can buy necessities than things are fine. People dont need to buy big SUV's, flatscreen tv's, and other capitalist things.

:palm:
There were shortages of necessities. Not to mention the fact that wants are important. Not as important as needs, of course. But important, nonetheless.

Important? The hundreds of shoes a woman wants is important? Really?
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:44 pm

Technically you don't need a house either. You can pitch a tent and cook your food over a log fire.

Structurally sound lodgings are the opiate of the masses!
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:44 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:
There were shortages of necessities. Not to mention the fact that wants are important. Not as important as needs, of course. But important, nonetheless.

Important? The hundreds of shoes a woman wants is important? Really?


If she wants to buy hundreds of shoes and waste her money (in my opinion) that's her damn business.
Someone's making the shoes, she buys them. That's their arrangement.
The shoe maker probably buys weird and pointless shit too, and somewhere down the line is you and your damned computer.
Meanwhile the women is complaining about freaks wasting their money on the internet.

EDIT NOTE:
I'm not specifically calling you a freak. I'm calling us all freaks. So that makes it ok. :p
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:45 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Williamson wrote:why don't you sell everything that's yours the unnessary and give the money to the poor. Like your computer.

I have given to charities and poor people before. Since you care so much, how about you go and sell all your things and give it to the poor?

He never claimed that only necessities is what he wants?

You're the one who is claiming that necessities are all that anyone should ever get.
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:46 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:
There were shortages of necessities. Not to mention the fact that wants are important. Not as important as needs, of course. But important, nonetheless.

Important? The hundreds of shoes a woman wants is important? Really?


Having wants = contentment. Contentment = high morale. Happy worker good worker.
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Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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