Capitalism good or bad?

[Shining Ys]

So you want a source on prosperity invented by someone who agrees with YOUR definition of prosperity, as opposed to everyone elses.

I can't speak for the above quoted poster, but what I want is a recognition of the ideological weight of the word "prosperity". Its semantic value is culturally relativistic, meaning its definition is highly susceptible to influence by the controllers of a cultural hegemony, such as the bourgeoisie in capitalist society.

[Sibirsky]

Right. The most prosperous system has had only some prosperity.

1:1930 recession. 1980 Recession. 2008 recession. For a "Most prosperous system" it sure is pretty unstable.
2:Source on it being the most prosperous?

I did not say it grows, without any bumps in the road.

You need a source for something so obviously evident? Really?

[Williamson]

So you want a source on prosperity invented by someone who agrees with YOUR definition of prosperity, as opposed to everyone elses.

I will not exept any source invented by capitalists, like GDP's.

so basically we can only have sources to support your agument. That makes since.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you want a source on prosperity invented by someone who agrees with YOUR definition of prosperity, as opposed to everyone elses.

I will not exept any source invented by capitalists, like GDP's.

PAHAHAhhhahhahaha
Ok.
So, the fact that capitalists have invented a lot of things due to mixed-market capitalism freeing people from feudalism, allowing a system of education to everyone, and organizations outside the control of go-
aw fuck it.
Theres just no reasoning with someone who straight up refuses to accept any source from after the 15th century that wasn't written by some backwater tinpot tyrant or his lackeys.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

1:1930 recession. 1980 Recession. 2008 recession. For a "Most prosperous system" it sure is pretty unstable.
2:Source on it being the most prosperous?

I did not say it grows, without any bumps in the road.

You need a source for something so obviously evident? Really?

GDP's were invented by capitalists, obviously capitlist countries have higher ones.

[Sibirsky]

Please.

I know more about Lenin and Leninism than you ever will.

Lenin was a coward. He was a liar. He was a tyrant. Any self respecting communist, would not look up to that piece of shit of a human being. Lenin was a failure.

And because he didnt allow elections he was a tyrant? Hmm? He didnt genocide his own people like Stalin, he was liked by his people, and yet because he was state capitalist not free market capitalist he was a tyrant? Yeah riiiiggggghhhhhhttttt. Are ya gonna say every monarch in history was a tyrant to now?

He had people killed. Sure, he was less bad than Stalin. But he was still a tyrant. His economic policies have nothing to do with it.

The fact that people died, because of his orders, makes him a tyrant.

[Death Metal]

1. Because harvest failures never happened in feudalism to cripple the economy for decades.
2. Human development index.

1:Fair enough.
2: It was invented by capitalists!

Japan the capitalist democracy, or Japan the feudal empire who didn't even consider the lower castes to be human beings?

The former.

"It was invented by capitalists, so it's wrong" is the exact same logical fallacy as "It was published by the government, so it's wrong"

[Sibirsky]

So you want a source on prosperity invented by someone who agrees with YOUR definition of prosperity, as opposed to everyone elses.

I will not exept any source invented by capitalists, like GDP's.

[Williamson]

I did not say it grows, without any bumps in the road.

You need a source for something so obviously evident? Really?

GDP's were invented by capitalists, obviously capitlist countries have higher ones.

okay so what prove do you want to see?

[Wesibaden]

Private Ownership is good its FOR the people not against

[Shining Ys]

When we're forced to argue as socialists about capitalist "prosperity" ("Would the viewer at home be watching this interview on a wide-screen television if you had your way?" - a real quote), the narrative is manipulated to favour capitalist conceptions of quality of life. I couldn't care less about the width of my television screen. Most of what's on it is a debasing insult to the human condition, anyway. What I do care about is free and universal access to the products of my civilisation.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

And because he didnt allow elections he was a tyrant? Hmm? He didnt genocide his own people like Stalin, he was liked by his people, and yet because he was state capitalist not free market capitalist he was a tyrant? Yeah riiiiggggghhhhhhttttt. Are ya gonna say every monarch in history was a tyrant to now?

He had people killed. Sure, he was less bad than Stalin. But he was still a tyrant. His economic policies have nothing to do with it.

The fact that people died, because of his orders, makes him a tyrant.

OK! Than Obama is a tyrant for ordering Bin Laden and other terrorists dead. And Bush is a tyrant for that reason to! And Clinton!

[Ostroeuropa]

He had people killed. Sure, he was less bad than Stalin. But he was still a tyrant. His economic policies have nothing to do with it.

The fact that people died, because of his orders, makes him a tyrant.

OK! Than Obama is a tyrant for ordering Bin Laden and other terrorists dead. And Bush is a tyrant for that reason to! And Clinton!

They were voted in bro. WE killed those people. You don't understand what tyrant means.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

GDP's were invented by capitalists, obviously capitlist countries have higher ones.

okay so what prove do you want to see?

Anything not invented by Capitalists, cause it will be incredibly biased.

[Vazeckta]

So you want a source on prosperity invented by someone who agrees with YOUR definition of prosperity, as opposed to everyone elses.

I will not exept any source invented by capitalists, like GDP's.

So you won't accept measure of economic prosperity that are based on economic prosperity?

[Ostroeuropa]

okay so what prove do you want to see?

Anything not invented by Capitalists, cause it will be incredibly biased.

Name something and we shall provide.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

OK! Than Obama is a tyrant for ordering Bin Laden and other terrorists dead. And Bush is a tyrant for that reason to! And Clinton!

They were voted in bro. WE killed those people. You don't understand what tyrant means.

Parlimentary democracy doesnt give people like you power. Total democracy does.

[Shining Ys]

Hey! Maybe quality of life/prosperity/whatever can't actually be quantified? Maybe that's a capitalist idea, fetishising happiness, turning it into an exchangeable, measurable commodity?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Anything not invented by Capitalists, cause it will be incredibly biased.

Name something and we shall provide.

Number of starving people perhaps?

[Ostroeuropa]

They were voted in bro. WE killed those people. You don't understand what tyrant means.

Parlimentary democracy doesnt give people like you power. Total democracy does.

Actually it does give me power. Especially if you join the parties.

[Ostroeuropa]

Name something and we shall provide.

Number of starving people perhaps?

As a % of global population?

[Sibirsky]

I did not say it grows, without any bumps in the road.

You need a source for something so obviously evident? Really?

GDP's were invented by capitalists, obviously capitlist countries have higher ones.

Right. The fact that I have lived in both, the USSR, and the US and could make an actual comparison is irrelevant.

My own observations (and the flow of hundreds of millions of immigrants, and their observations), common sense, 0.1 brain cells (really, that is all that is required), all support the GDP numbers.

[Shining Ys]

Should we include religious ascetics in those figures? Does anyone see my point?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Parlimentary democracy doesnt give people like you power. Total democracy does.

Actually it does give me power. Especially if you join the parties.

Ugh confused people. You elect people who make decisions for you. Unless you are a politician you are almost powerless.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Number of starving people perhaps?

As a % of global population?

I was thinking numbers, but that will work.

GDP's were invented by capitalists, obviously capitlist countries have higher ones.

Right. The fact that I have lived in both, the USSR, and the US and could make an actual comparison is irrelevant.

My own observations (and the flow of hundreds of millions of immigrants, and their observations), common sense, 0.1 brain cells (really, that is all that is required), all support the GDP numbers.

You lived in the Soviet Union?