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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:52 pm

Worst. Idea. Ever. Period. Feudalism was a better idea than Capitalim.
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:58 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Worst. Idea. Ever. Period. Feudalism was a better idea than Capitalim.


Not that the two are mutually exclusive.
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I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:58 pm

Capitalism good or bad?

Yes.
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:04 pm

"I won awardz on teh interwebs, look at my e-peen" does not impress me.

Hell, I don't even consider the economics Nobel legit, so why the fuck should I care?
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I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

34 arguments Libertarians (and sometimes AnCaps) make, and why they are wrong.

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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:05 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Worst. Idea. Ever. Period. Feudalism was a better idea than Capitalim.


Um...I'm pretty sure deep-fried Twinkies and ice cream are still tied for worst idea ever. And what's your alternative to Capitalism again? Leninism? Yeah, that worked out really well. Let's do that again. :roll:
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:07 pm

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Worst. Idea. Ever. Period. Feudalism was a better idea than Capitalim.


Um...I'm pretty sure deep-fried Twinkies and ice cream are still tied for worst idea ever. And what's your alternative to Capitalism again? Leninism? Yeah, that worked out really well. Let's do that again. :roll:

Hey, the Soviet Union wasnt that bad while Lenin was around.
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:09 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Hey, the Soviet Union wasnt that bad while Lenin was around.


How long did it last before it was replaced with Stalin's weirdo system? Besides, even Lenin himself called the NEP a state capitalist venture, he himself admitted that he never even got to the socialist stage.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:10 pm

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Hey, the Soviet Union wasnt that bad while Lenin was around.


How long did it last before it was replaced with Stalin's weirdo system? Besides, even Lenin himself called the NEP a state capitalist venture, he himself admitted that he never even got to the socialist stage.

Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:12 pm

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So...Neoclassical Synthesis, New Keynesian, do you have a favorite orthodox school? Or are you more a heterodox sort of person, like the Austrian School?

Austrian School, obviously. With a healthy bit of respect for some others.

At least I thought, the Austrian bit was obvious.
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Postby Anarchist States Of America » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:13 pm

Good. with limited regulation. But Corporatism sucks
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:13 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Socialdemokraterne wrote:
How long did it last before it was replaced with Stalin's weirdo system? Besides, even Lenin himself called the NEP a state capitalist venture, he himself admitted that he never even got to the socialist stage.

Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.


How can the government be trusted, and why do you think it cares.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:13 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.


So now that we've established that Capitalism is actually an umbrella term for a variety of systems (of which Lenin's state capitalism is only one), are you prepared to retract the blanket statement that Capitalism is the "worst idea ever" and examine each variant based on its own merits and demerits? O__O
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:14 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.


How can the government be trusted, and why do you think it cares.

Because its not profit driven, exept klepocraies. They care because they have a duty to thier people. I would trust the government way before I would trust some greedy rich person.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:15 pm

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.


So now that we've established that Capitalism is actually an umbrella term for a variety of systems (of which Lenin's state capitalism is only one), are you prepared to retract the blanket statement that Capitalism is the "worst idea ever" and examine each variant based on its own merits and demerits? O__O

Yes. But free market capitalism I still call the worst idea ever.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:15 pm

Death Metal wrote:"I won awardz on teh interwebs, look at my e-peen" does not impress me.

Hell, I don't even consider the economics Nobel legit, so why the fuck should I care?

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:15 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Socialdemokraterne wrote:
Um...I'm pretty sure deep-fried Twinkies and ice cream are still tied for worst idea ever. And what's your alternative to Capitalism again? Leninism? Yeah, that worked out really well. Let's do that again. :roll:

Hey, the Soviet Union wasnt that bad while Lenin was around.

:palm:
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:15 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yes. But free market capitalism I still call the worst idea ever.


That's better. :lol:

Now why do you say this?
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:16 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Socialdemokraterne wrote:
How long did it last before it was replaced with Stalin's weirdo system? Besides, even Lenin himself called the NEP a state capitalist venture, he himself admitted that he never even got to the socialist stage.

Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.

:palm:
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Postby Death Metal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:16 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Socialdemokraterne wrote:
How long did it last before it was replaced with Stalin's weirdo system? Besides, even Lenin himself called the NEP a state capitalist venture, he himself admitted that he never even got to the socialist stage.

Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.


Except, in North Korea they have state capitalism, and 1% of the nation starves the 99%.
Only here when I'm VERY VERY VERY bored now.
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Pro: Civil Equality, Scaled Income Taxes, Centralized Govtt, Moderate Business Regulations, Heavy Metal
Con: Censorship in any medium, Sales Tax, Flat Tax, Small Govt, Overly Large Govt, Laissez Faire, AutoTuner.

I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:16 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How can the government be trusted, and why do you think it cares.

Because its not profit driven, exept klepocraies. They care because they have a duty to thier people. I would trust the government way before I would trust some greedy rich person.


It's power driven.
You don't need profit if you can just requisistion shit, what'd be the point.
Give a corporation the choice between 50,000 bucks or 100,000 bucks worth of stuff they want, what do you think is gonna happen.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:17 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.

:palm:

So you think that rich people actually give a flying crap about starving poor people?
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:17 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How can the government be trusted, and why do you think it cares.

Because its not profit driven, exept klepocraies. They care because they have a duty to thier people. I would trust the government way before I would trust some greedy rich person.

:palm:
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:17 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Socialdemokraterne wrote:
So now that we've established that Capitalism is actually an umbrella term for a variety of systems (of which Lenin's state capitalism is only one), are you prepared to retract the blanket statement that Capitalism is the "worst idea ever" and examine each variant based on its own merits and demerits? O__O

Yes. But free market capitalism I still call the worst idea ever.

:palm:
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:18 pm

Death Metal wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Well state capitalism is good, 1% of the nation cant be trusted to not starve the 99%, but the government cares about its people and can be trusted.


Except, in North Korea they have state capitalism, and 1% of the nation starves the 99%.

Genocidal dictatorships like North Korea are closer to kleptocracies, like Zimbabwe.
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:18 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Because its not profit driven, exept klepocraies. They care because they have a duty to thier people. I would trust the government way before I would trust some greedy rich person.

:palm:


Sib, for the love of all that's holy, spare your face any further misery! I can't stand by and watch you destroy it like this! I care!
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