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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:02 pm

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Yeah....but no.

Cherry picking, hasty generalization from singular, isolated events, and ignoring context and background research makes your point worthless.

Just wait till he says your argument didn't address his at all and cries because you are picking apart his logical fallacies.

Just sit back and let him speak. My TV hasn't worked all week. This is some of the best entertainment here.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:04 pm

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Nation of Fortune wrote:Just wait till he says your argument didn't address his at all and cries because you are picking apart his logical fallacies.

Just sit back and let him speak. My TV hasn't worked all week. This is some of the best entertainment here.


I'm waiting for the OP to blame world hunger and terrorism on the sexual choices of the LGBT community.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:04 pm

You know, bigots like to say homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, wouldn't heterosexuality be a choice too?

Because, you know, I don't remember ever having breakfast, watching Married With Children, and thinking to myself: "You know, I really like vag."

TL:DR; "Homosexuality is a choice" is just a bigot's self-justification for his own bigotry.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:04 pm

Death Metal wrote::palm:

Homosexuality is older than Christianity. There's no threat to society. Never has been.
There was marriage before religion, and it was all fine to do sodomy in the dark ages; as long as you were the pope. :p
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:05 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Nation of Fortune wrote:Just wait till he says your argument didn't address his at all and cries because you are picking apart his logical fallacies.

Just sit back and let him speak. My TV hasn't worked all week. This is some of the best entertainment here.


I honestly love a good debate, but this is just a farce. I mean, it's one thing to be wrong and try to defend your position. It's quite another to be wrong and just shut your ears to all the valid rebuttals people are doing by quoting your previous posts and asking people to read into them deeper.
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Postby Sentinel XV » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:06 pm

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Sentinel XV wrote:...

Which would lead to the inference that their lifestyle choice (i.e. being homosexual) has a direct impact on the transmission of HIV/AIDS, which is (primarily) a sexually-transmitted disease. Ergo, exactly what I said.


Which doesn't. Correlation =/= Causation.

That's not correlation. What he posited was that their homosexual lifestyles alone have a direct impact on their chances of contracting HIV/AIDS. But really, it doesn't matter. He used flawed logic and irrelevant "evidence" to back up faulty claims.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:08 pm

Death Metal wrote:You know, bigots like to say homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, wouldn't heterosexuality be a choice too?

Because, you know, I don't remember ever having breakfast, watching Married With Children, and thinking to myself: "You know, I really like vag."

TL:DR; "Homosexuality is a choice" is just a bigot's self-justification for his own bigotry.


I really don't see why homosexuality being a choice or not is relevant. If it is a choice, well so is RELIGION! And we still give religions legal protection, even small, minoritarian religions. So, seriously, the right-wing has no reasonable excuses against LGBT rights.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:08 pm

Sentinel XV wrote:
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Which doesn't. Correlation =/= Causation.

That's not correlation. What he posited was that their homosexual lifestyles alone have a direct impact on their chances of contracting HIV/AIDS. But really, it doesn't matter. He used flawed logic and irrelevant "evidence" to back up faulty claims.


To be fair, homosexuals only have a higher chance of contracting HIV/AIDS because sodomy without a condom is raises your chances (cause tears in the anus).

The same is true for heterosexual couples, it's just that sodomy tends to be lower since you have the, ahem, more conventional option slightly above it in terms of geography.
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Postby Sentinel XV » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:09 pm

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Sentinel XV wrote:That's not correlation. What he posited was that their homosexual lifestyles alone have a direct impact on their chances of contracting HIV/AIDS. But really, it doesn't matter. He used flawed logic and irrelevant "evidence" to back up faulty claims.


To be fair, homosexuals only have a higher chance of contracting HIV/AIDS because sodomy without a condom is raises your chances (cause tears in the anus).

The same is true for heterosexual couples, it's just that sodomy tends to be lower since you have the, ahem, more conventional option slightly above it in terms of geography.

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Postby Confederate Socialist States of America » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:10 pm

What people do in the privacy of their own home is not of my concern and should not be discussed in polite company.

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Postby Agymnum » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:10 pm

Sentinel XV wrote:
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To be fair, homosexuals only have a higher chance of contracting HIV/AIDS because sodomy without a condom is raises your chances (cause tears in the anus).

The same is true for heterosexual couples, it's just that sodomy tends to be lower since you have the, ahem, more conventional option slightly above it in terms of geography.

Ah yes, ear sex. Once you go black, you go deaf.


I lol'd. So hard.

I'm actually a bit annoyed because I was reading that while eating noodles, and I ended up spilling hot noodle juice all over my nether regions. Really hurts.
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Postby New Bastion City » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:11 pm

Death Metal wrote:You know, bigots like to say homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, wouldn't heterosexuality be a choice too?

Because, you know, I don't remember ever having breakfast, watching Married With Children, and thinking to myself: "You know, I really like vag."

TL:DR; "Homosexuality is a choice" is just a bigot's self-justification for his own bigotry.

This is the reason why I suspect that the biggest bigots are likely self-hating homosexuals. One gets the sense that they claim homosexuality is a choice mainly because they are trying very hard not to 'choose' it.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:12 pm

New Bastion City wrote:
Death Metal wrote:You know, bigots like to say homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, wouldn't heterosexuality be a choice too?

Because, you know, I don't remember ever having breakfast, watching Married With Children, and thinking to myself: "You know, I really like vag."

TL:DR; "Homosexuality is a choice" is just a bigot's self-justification for his own bigotry.

This is the reason why I suspect that the biggest bigots are likely self-hating homosexuals. One gets the sense that the claim homosexuality is a choice mainly because they are trying very hard not to 'choose' it.


You ever wonder why people get boners when they get angry at things?

So if you get angry at homosexuals...
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Postby The Holy Amercian Republic » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:12 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Sentinel XV wrote:That's not correlation. What he posited was that their homosexual lifestyles alone have a direct impact on their chances of contracting HIV/AIDS. But really, it doesn't matter. He used flawed logic and irrelevant "evidence" to back up faulty claims.


To be fair, homosexuals only have a higher chance of contracting HIV/AIDS because sodomy without a condom is raises your chances (cause tears in the anus).

The same is true for heterosexual couples, it's just that sodomy tends to be lower since you have the, ahem, more conventional option slightly above it in terms of geography.


You seem to imply that all gay men want to have anal sex, it's actually somewhat uncommon with most men preferring other forms of sexual contact now.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:12 pm

Liriena wrote:
Death Metal wrote:You know, bigots like to say homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, wouldn't heterosexuality be a choice too?

Because, you know, I don't remember ever having breakfast, watching Married With Children, and thinking to myself: "You know, I really like vag."

TL:DR; "Homosexuality is a choice" is just a bigot's self-justification for his own bigotry.


I really don't see why homosexuality being a choice or not is relevant. If it is a choice, well so is RELIGION! And we still give religions legal protection, even small, minoritarian religions. So, seriously, the right-wing has no reasonable excuses against LGBT rights.
Beyond dis-establishing the right of marriage. Some right-wing atheists have argued that marriage is giving gay people 'special rights' while dismissing arguments against their 'special status' for heterosexuals by arguing that there shouldn't be marriage 'conducted by the state'. They undermine their argument, but it is interesting to watch self-hating homosexuals,etc fight against their own civil rights.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:15 pm

Confederate Socialist States of America wrote:What people do in the privacy of their own home is not of my concern and should not be discussed in polite company.


Polite company is boring company.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:16 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Confederate Socialist States of America wrote:What people do in the privacy of their own home is not of my concern and should not be discussed in polite company.


Polite company is boring company.


Agreed. I like people who scream PENIS and talk about their fetishes.

No, really, my friends have some of the best conversation starters I've ever seen.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:17 pm

Agymnum wrote:Agreed. I like people who scream PENIS and talk about their fetishes.

No, really, my friends have some of the best conversation starters I've ever seen.


You should introduce them to my friends, we'll all get along swimmingly :p
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Postby Les Quebecoise » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:18 pm

I won't even bother.

This issue has been discussed over and over again, and your side has come out as the incorrect and disproved side.

If you're actually dumb enough to still hold such beliefs, then you're beyond help and way out of reach; and no amount of actual rational discussion will be enough to change that.
Reason and rationality wouldn't work with you because your whole argument and viewpoint show that your 'beliefs' aren't based on those things; and if reason, rationality, evidence and logic aren't included in the list of constants that you always base your viewpoints upon, then one certainly cannot seriously have a discussion about this (or pretty much anything) with you ...

So, even though everything you've typed is (and has already been, numerous times) easily disproved over and over, I'm not going to bother with all the typing because of those reasons...

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Postby Tiltjuice » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:19 pm

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PapaJacky wrote:Being gay doesn't mean you have HIV/AIDS, I'm sure someone covered this earlier in the thread.

That's not the point he was trying to make. The OP was trying to posit that homosexual intercourse has a higher rate of HIV/AIDS transmission than heterosexual intercourse, which is not supported by any reputable research.


I didn't even realize there were distinct, completely discrete sets of sexual behaviors that were exclusively homosexual or heterosexual...I feel ignorant.
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Postby Zanzibarnia » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:19 pm

Death Metal wrote:You know, bigots like to say homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, wouldn't heterosexuality be a choice too?

Because, you know, I don't remember ever having breakfast, watching Married With Children, and thinking to myself: "You know, I really like vag."

TL:DR; "Homosexuality is a choice" is just a bigot's self-justification for his own bigotry.


Actually, I remember watching Married With Children many times and thinking exactly that, particularly when Kelly was on-screen.

But not once did I look at Bud and think to myself: "Hey, I think I'd rather stick it in him instead."

Not once was that choice ever on the table.

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Postby Venaly » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:20 pm

Thaipursia wrote:Why even the debate about something that is inherent in our biology ? You can condemn homosexuality all you want, but the fact is, it will remain with our species, as long as we exist. I am tired of hearing others arguing against my existence, labelling a whole subset of humans as "immoral" or "deviant". To quote Shakespeare, "Have I not eyes to see, or ears to hear ? If you prick me, do I not bleed ?"
Homosexuality is no more a threat to others, than being a redhead, hexdactyl, or left handed. For once let's argue about how Heterosexuals caused so many wars, created the atomic bomb, instigated and pushed genocide, etc. Once you can absolve yourselves of that, then you vcan get all upset about two men/ two women kissing in public.


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Postby Agymnum » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:22 pm

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Sentinel XV wrote:That's not the point he was trying to make. The OP was trying to posit that homosexual intercourse has a higher rate of HIV/AIDS transmission than heterosexual intercourse, which is not supported by any reputable research.


I didn't even realize there were distinct, completely discrete sets of sexual behaviors that were exclusively homosexual or heterosexual...I feel ignorant.


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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:22 pm

Do NOT recruit me your region wrote:To everyone saying that my views are similar to racism. They are not. Homosexuality is a choice. I live in a place with a large LGBT populations and many of them say that they chose to be gay or lesbian and I have met some people who used to be gay, lesbian, or bi but made a conscious choice to stop being that for one reason or another and I live in a place where the people are mostly accepting of homosexuality so they felt no pressure to change but they did anyway.


I would say that i doubt the veracity of your statements, but that may be too subtle for you, so i'm just going to say that these are baldfaced lies and be done with it.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Death Metal wrote:You know, bigots like to say homosexuality is a choice. By that logic, wouldn't heterosexuality be a choice too?

Because, you know, I don't remember ever having breakfast, watching Married With Children, and thinking to myself: "You know, I really like vag."

TL:DR; "Homosexuality is a choice" is just a bigot's self-justification for his own bigotry.


I really don't see why homosexuality being a choice or not is relevant. If it is a choice, well so is RELIGION! And we still give religions legal protection, even small, minoritarian religions. So, seriously, the right-wing has no reasonable excuses against LGBT rights.

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