The threat of homosexuality

[Yes Im Biop]

Native Americans have the highest rates of school dropouts, of child mortality, and of suicide. In some reservations, 8 ut of 10 families are dealing with substance abuse and addiction issues. Many reservations have mounting gang violence issues.

Clearly, we should dislike Native Americans. They're detrimental to society and a freak show. After all, just because our society has and continues to systematically oppress them can't possibly mean that their issues aren't directly caused by being Native Americans.

I don't like anything that is harmful to society, if it's Native Americans than so be it. Same with any other group that need to get their shit together.

White's, Blacks, Yellow's, Purples,
Music, Car's, Hunting
People.
You, Me, That tree.
All can be harmful.
You all need your shit together.
Realistic isn't it.

[SaintB]

His point was: They haven't killed off society yet, and they won't. Ever.

I am not saying that homosexuals would kill society but what I am saying that they are a threat to society though.

In what way?

I could make a claim that being an asshole is a threat to society yet society flourishes regardless of assholes being present.

[Yes Im Biop]

I just love to come home from a very long day at school only be told once more that I'm a menace to society.
I mean, for fuck's sake. You bigoted people think more about gay people doing gay things and having gay sex and being gay than I do. And I'm both lonely and horny.

Bolded part: Not being a smartass. But i LOVE hearing that.
Rest: A bit to much but fair point across the board.

[Big Jim P]

The real threat of homosexuality is cooties with balls.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I love this guy.

[Meryuma]

:rofl: I couldn't agree more. Other animals eat poop, guess it makes it ok for humans too.

No one's argued that homosexuality is acceptable because it's natural. However, some have argued that homosexuality is unacceptable because it's unnatural, which is factually inaccurate. When confronted with that, homophobes go off on red herrings such as this.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I am NOT bigoted at all. I don't hate homosexuals. I hate homosexuality

So you don't hate gay people, you just hate an inherent aspect of their identity. Got it!

but not the homosexual just as I hate Rebecca Black's music but not Rebecca Black herself.

A cheesy song given undue attention by the internet is JUST LIKE one's sexual orientation, of course.

I brought forth legitimate arguments and all I see here is mindless bashing of me

This one's already been replied to quite succinctly.

and I have noticed that no one has provided any valid sources to counter mine.

They didn't have to. They pointed out how you were misinterpreting your sources.

If you are going to make a weak argument without backing it up then don't post on this thread at all.

Nowhere close to being a mod, but I'm pretty sure that you don't get to decide who posts in this thread. If I'm incorrect, I'll accept the correction from a moderator.

I am aware that NS is mostly liberal and I am liberal too. I just happen to disagree with most liberals on homosexuality.

Exactly how are you liberal? What liberal beliefs do you hold? We don't all march lockstep, sure, but I've never met a fellow liberal who had the same violent hatred of homosexuality as you do.

However I find myself filled with some hope knowing I have come across a few like minded liberals here that also see homosexuality for the threat it is.

Who? None of the people who agreed with you have liberal beliefs, as far as I can tell.

[Nation of Fortune]

[1]I am NOT bigoted at all. I don't hate homosexuals. I hate homosexuality but not the homosexual just as I hate Rebecca Black's music but not Rebecca Black herself. [2]I brought forth legitimate arguments and all I see here is mindless bashing of me and I have noticed that no one has provided any valid sources to counter mine. [3]If you are going to make a weak argument without backing it up then don't post on this thread at all. [4]I am aware that NS is mostly liberal and I am liberal too. I just happen to disagree with most liberals on homosexuality. However I find myself filled with some hope knowing I have come across a few like minded liberals here that also see homosexuality for the threat it is.

[1] Let me direct you to the dictionary and point something out for you here.

a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

1
: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2
a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

1
: unable or unwilling to endure
2
a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted
3
: exhibiting physiological intolerance <lactose intolerant>

Now, you say you aren't bigoted, however it seems to me that you are obstinately devoted to your opinions and prejudice that you have from poorly constructed arguments. You have also demonstrated an unwillingness to accept homosexuality based on your flimsy and irrelevant arguments. Hence also making you intolerant and prejudiced, both traits of a bigot.

[2] I have yet to see a legitimate argument from your mouth. All I have seen is you saying homosexuals are bad cause they have AIDS. You then linked studies that pointed physical and psychological problems inside the LGBT community that are just as, if not more, of a problem outside the LGBT community. So, once you actually make a valid argument, then people can actually argue your point. Until then, as I pointed out before, you are just making bigoted comments.

[3] Does that mean you will stop posting?

[4]Being a liberal isn't some badge of honor, it's political ideology that is based on the ideas of liberty and equality for all. Which as you have demonstrated you clearly do not. It's kind of hypocritical to wear being a liberal as some badge of honor and only support half of the ideology

[Socialdemokraterne]

I brought forth legitimate arguments and all I see here is mindless bashing of me and I have noticed that no one has
provided any valid sources to counter mine.

Is that what you think you did? Because what you really did was commit two logical fallacies and then pat yourself on the back as though you'd actually used your sources properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope_fallacy

I furthermore provided the perfectly valid argument that homosexuality is not a disorder. I provided a link directly to the latest version of the ICD-10 to prove it. Section F66 has a note right at the beginning stating that sexual orientations are not inherently disorders. So there's nothing to "cure" and nothing to combat. You've got no proof that homosexuality itself causes higher rates of HIV/AIDS, more incidents of domestic abuse, or is a disorder. Here, I'll post the link to the ICD again. Go to F66.

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd ... n#/F60-F69

YOU. HAVE. PROVEN. NOTHING.

If you are going to make a weak argument without backing it up then don't post on this thread at all. I am aware that NS is mostly liberal and I am liberal too. I just happen to disagree with most liberals on homosexuality. However I find myself filled with some hope knowing I have come across a few like minded liberals here that also see homosexuality for the threat it is.

You haven't demonstrated the presence of a threat.

[Socialdemokraterne]

They really need to work on developing more precise language then. The accusation of false equivalence still holds though. Sexual orientations which are classified as disorders are entirely different from those which are not. Besides, I could also throw out an accusation that the OP committed the slippery slope fallacy.

No they aren't. That said, it is a slippery slope, and quite obviously moronic.

A tad late to the party on that one, I already yielded.

[Sentinel XV]

If we base our arguments on the validity of a particular type of sex solely on the transmission of STD/I's, then it would be safe to say that no form of sex -- however benign -- would be "legal". Additionally, your argument of homosexuals being more inclined to sexual promiscuity has no evidence to support it, and is quite frankly a disgusting thing to say: I know many gay couples who are in stable, exclusive, loving relationships and I know straight individuals who fuck anything that walks and has a vagina.

[Zemkal]

If we base our arguments on the validity of a particular type of sex solely on the transmission of STD/I's, then it would be safe to say that no form of sex -- however benign -- would be "legal". Additionally, your argument of homosexuals being more inclined to sexual promiscuity has no evidence to support it, and is quite frankly a disgusting thing to say: I know many gay couples who are in stable, exclusive, loving relationships and I know straight individuals who fuck anything that walks and has a vagina.

And vice versa. This one gets it.

[Wazkyraque]

Now don't get me wrong I am actually pretty liberal although I just so happen to disagree with most liberals on the issue of LGBT rights. I don't believe that homosexuality is a good thing. In fact I believe that the evidence that homosexuality and lesbianism are dangerous to society is overwhelming. HIV/AIDS rates and other STD rates are much higher among the LGBT community than the straight community and LGBT people are much more likely to sexual promiscuous and domestic violence is much higher among same-sex couples. I just don't understand why we should consider homosexuality okay and normal. As for it happening among animals well rape, theft, and murder have been observed among animals so should be consider those to be okay too? I think it is time for people to stand up for the truth and fight against homosexuality and find a cure for it to help the people struggling with it. If we keep on thinking it is okay then we are on a slippery slope to where we would soon be thinking that zoophilia, pedophilia, and heck even necrophilia are okay. In the early 90's in San Fransisco there was an LGBT riot outside a church were the LGBT people performed sexual acts outside the church and even reportedly shouted "give us your children" to the church members and they harassed the church members.

Let me dissect this a bit.

"HIV/AIDS rates and other STD rates are much higher among the LGBT community than the straight community and LGBT people are much more likely to sexual promiscuous and domestic violence is much higher among same-sex couples."

HIV/AIDS rates and other STD rates are much higher among the African community, therefore they are threat to society and must be cured.

Do you see the relation between the two is?
Sexual Orientation and Race are irrelevant toward these things you're bringing up; Would it really be crazy to make it a priority to cure HIV/AIDS and STD's rather than homosexuality, because it'd make a helluva a lot more sense.

"LGBT people are much more likely to sexual promiscuous"

Not necessarily a problem, sex relieves stress and people who have more sex supposedly live longer, according to the British Medical Journal, I can't remember the article though.

"... and domestic violence..."

Irrelevant to sexual orientation, as shown above.

"I just don't understand why we should consider homosexuality okay and normal."

Because it's 2012, we've been trying to get a grasp of the reality of this type of intolerance is no better than racism, being that homosexuals are born homosexuals due to a myriad of things (Brains, Prenatal hormones, sometimes genetics, and even child hood experiences have some influence on whether a child grows up liking the same sex), and homosexuality can happen in a normal environment, therefore, normal.

"... find a cure for it to help the people struggling with it."

No thanks, it infuriates me that you would come up with a sort of thing. I realize you're trying to help in your own, completely delusional way. But, "curing" homosexuality isn't currently possible without damaging said homosexual who is being "cured". You might need brain surgery, gene therapy, hormone therapy, and a really fucking good psychologist. All those things are incredibly difficult, and will probably end the homosexual up with more negatives than positives from said "curing". And "Struggling"? The only struggles I've encountered are dealing with people like you, and loneliness, respectively.

"If we keep on thinking it is okay then we are on a slippery slope to where we would soon be thinking that zoophilia, pedophilia, and heck even necrophilia are okay."

Do you have a scooper for that steaming pile of fallacious bullshit?

In the early 90's in San Fransisco there was an LGBT riot outside a church were the LGBT people performed sexual acts outside the church and even reportedly shouted "give us your children" to the church members and they harassed the church members.

... And? It'd be a massive, untrue and extreme generalization to believe all LGBT members act like that.

[Do NOT recruit me your region]

U are a bigoted dick, Homosexuality isnt a sin nhor is it dangerous to society, get a life other than bashing homosexuals on NS, learn a it, about how they are people to. And get off NS general.

Hey I am free to express my views as much as you.

[Eirenia]

U are a bigoted dick, Homosexuality isnt a sin nhor is it dangerous to society, get a life other than bashing homosexuals on NS, learn a it, about how they are people to. And get off NS general.

Hey I am free to express my views as much as you.

I like how this is the only post you answer while ignoring all the perfectly valid points made to you.

[Do NOT recruit me your region]

To everyone saying that my views are similar to racism. They are not. Homosexuality is a choice. I live in a place with a large LGBT populations and many of them say that they chose to be gay or lesbian and I have met some people who used to be gay, lesbian, or bi but made a conscious choice to stop being that for one reason or another and I live in a place where the people are mostly accepting of homosexuality so they felt no pressure to change but they did anyway.

[Nation of Fortune]

U are a bigoted dick, Homosexuality isnt a sin nhor is it dangerous to society, get a life other than bashing homosexuals on NS, learn a it, about how they are people to. And get off NS general.

Hey I am free to express my views as much as you.

Yes, because all of the perfectly valid responses to your arguments, which you are completely ignoring, are less important than that post.

[Sentinel XV]

U are a bigoted dick, Homosexuality isnt a sin nhor is it dangerous to society, get a life other than bashing homosexuals on NS, learn a it, about how they are people to. And get off NS general.

Hey I am free to express my views as much as you.

I'm curious, and please indulge me on this. Why is it that you view homosexuality as a "threat". Is it a threat on your conventional way of life, a threat on what you perceive to be your "freedoms" but which are really just against your particular religion, or is it a threat on your person as a whole? In what way do homosexuals threaten you as an individual, or mankind as a people? Because so far, the evidence you have provided is circumstantial at best and utterly fallacious at worst, and I don't see your argument getting you anywhere.

[Do NOT recruit me your region]

Hey I am free to express my views as much as you.

I like how this is the only post you answer while ignoring all the perfectly valid points made to you.

Valid points? What valid points? No one has yet to raise one legitimate argument against me. All it is that I am seeing is mindless bashing and flaming against me and no one has really provided any legitimate sources to back their claims against me.

[Zanzibarnia]

To everyone saying that my views are similar to racism. They are not. Homosexuality is a choice. I live in a place with a large LGBT populations and many of them say that they chose to be gay or lesbian and I have met some people who used to be gay, lesbian, or bi but made a conscious choice to stop being that for one reason or another and I live in a place where the people are mostly accepting of homosexuality so they felt no pressure to change but they did anyway.

Bullshit.

[Nation of Fortune]

To everyone saying that my views are similar to racism. They are not. Homosexuality is a choice. I live in a place with a large LGBT populations and many of them say that they chose to be gay or lesbian and I have met some people who used to be gay, lesbian, or bi but made a conscious choice to stop being that for one reason or another and I live in a place where the people are mostly accepting of homosexuality so they felt no pressure to change but they did anyway.

Source. I KNOW from my experiences that it is no choice. So unless you can provide me a scientific study supporting that, your point is complete bullshit

[Sentinel XV]

I like how this is the only post you answer while ignoring all the perfectly valid points made to you.

Valid points? What valid points? No one has yet to raise one legitimate argument against me. All it is that I am seeing is mindless bashing and flaming against me and no one has really provided any legitimate sources to back their claims against me.

If you believe that no one here has been rationally evaluating your arguments, you haven't been looking hard enough. I myself have made two level-headed, concise, and valid posts addressing both your OP and your own personal beliefs on homosexuality.

But please, people, do not acquiesce him by simply posting "bullshit". By doing that, you become no better than someone who is anti-homosexual and merely objects to it because they don't like it.

[Nation of Fortune]

I like how this is the only post you answer while ignoring all the perfectly valid points made to you.

Valid points? What valid points? No one has yet to raise one legitimate argument against me. All it is that I am seeing is mindless bashing and flaming against me and no one has really provided any legitimate sources to back their claims against me.

*Ahem*

[1]I am NOT bigoted at all. I don't hate homosexuals. I hate homosexuality but not the homosexual just as I hate Rebecca Black's music but not Rebecca Black herself. [2]I brought forth legitimate arguments and all I see here is mindless bashing of me and I have noticed that no one has provided any valid sources to counter mine. [3]If you are going to make a weak argument without backing it up then don't post on this thread at all. [4]I am aware that NS is mostly liberal and I am liberal too. I just happen to disagree with most liberals on homosexuality. However I find myself filled with some hope knowing I have come across a few like minded liberals here that also see homosexuality for the threat it is.

[1] Let me direct you to the dictionary and point something out for you here.

a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

1
: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2
a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

1
: unable or unwilling to endure
2
a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted
3
: exhibiting physiological intolerance <lactose intolerant>

Now, you say you aren't bigoted, however it seems to me that you are obstinately devoted to your opinions and prejudice that you have from poorly constructed arguments. You have also demonstrated an unwillingness to accept homosexuality based on your flimsy and irrelevant arguments. Hence also making you intolerant and prejudiced, both traits of a bigot.

[2] I have yet to see a legitimate argument from your mouth. All I have seen is you saying homosexuals are bad cause they have AIDS. You then linked studies that pointed physical and psychological problems inside the LGBT community that are just as, if not more, of a problem outside the LGBT community. So, once you actually make a valid argument, then people can actually argue your point. Until then, as I pointed out before, you are just making bigoted comments.

[3] Does that mean you will stop posting?

[4]Being a liberal isn't some badge of honor, it's political ideology that is based on the ideas of liberty and equality for all. Which as you have demonstrated you clearly do not. It's kind of hypocritical to wear being a liberal as some badge of honor and only support half of the ideology

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I stopped reading as soon as I saw the words 'threat' and 'homosexuality' together.

[Tlaceceyaya]

To everyone saying that my views are similar to racism. They are not. Homosexuality is a choice. I live in a place with a large LGBT populations and many of them say that they chose to be gay or lesbian and I have met some people who used to be gay, lesbian, or bi but made a conscious choice to stop being that for one reason or another and I live in a place where the people are mostly accepting of homosexuality so they felt no pressure to change but they did anyway.

Homosexuality is a choice?
Homosexuals are a group highly discriminated against. They encounter bigotry such as yours with frequency. They are bullied. They kill themselves. And they CHOOSE that? People CHOOSE to be bullied over who they are attracted to? People CHOOSE to be driven suicidal because of torment?