29-year-old Muslim woman named culture minister of Norway

[Zaras]

Christianity is not a 'white only religion'

Then how come all the people spewing idiotic shit about demographics are white? How come all the people who rant about teh Mozlem threat are white?

I'm very well aware that Christianity isn't a whites' only religion, but it's still funny how I barely remember seeing non-white people rant about ebil Mozlems and how they're destroying are contrees from within.

Christains need more bebies in order to make sure their religion is #1 in the world in population.

No, fuck that shit. There are more important things to do than get in a fucking dick-waving contest over which religion is #1. Like, for example, driving religion out of public matters to prevent this whole my god is bigger than your god pissing contest from doing more damage than it already has.

Power in numbers is important in any war (and there is a war going on right now).

It's not a war, and if you think so, please stop visiting conspiracy sites and come down to reality. And stop reading Samuel Huntingdon because the whole "clash of civilizations" thing is en epic pile of crap.

Christian parents can raise their children to practice their faith.

So you support parents brainwashing their kids into their religion when said kids are too young to know any better? You believe parents should treat kids as a vessel for their own stupid beliefs instead of persons in their own right who should be allowed to form their own beliefs instead?

Palestine parents are teaching their children to hate Jews (look on you tube, there is even a children's show teaching anti-Jewish messages).

Well, shite, have you ever pondered that maybe, just MAYBE, if Israel hadn't treated Palestinians like shit ever since its foundation and basically engaged in abhorrent, abusive, backwards practices designed to cement its position as a Jewish-majority state (see the recent Israeli attempts to deport Sudanese immigrants and refugees) and basically crushed and marginalised every attempt by people to change those practices (oh, how I'm sick of hearing people being accused of anti-Semitism for objecting to Israel's cack-handed, shitheaded approach to dealing with Palestinians) while condemning Palestinians to a lifetime of poverty, deprivation, oppression by a ridiculous security apparatus and second-class citizenship at best, maybe THEN the Palestinians wouldn't have any reasons to teach anti-Semitism to their children?

Think: if Israel was a state that treated all its citizens equally and put in all its efforts to increase the Palestinians' standard of living, reduce poverty and promote tolerance between the two sides at all levels of life (why hasn't the example of that kibbutz that runs a joint Jewish-Palestinian school been followed across the country?), then what incentives would Palestinians have to hate Israel?

You are right, they have less babies when they move to western nations but their birth rate is still higher than the natives.

And this matters because?

By the way, I asked for an answer that isn't paranoid Islamophobic bullshit, and you still haven't provided one.

[Risottia]

Then how come all the people spewing idiotic shit about demographics are white? How come all the people who rant about teh Mozlem threat are white?
I'm very well aware that Christianity isn't a whites' only religion, but it's still funny how I barely remember seeing non-white people rant about ebil Mozlems and how they're destroying are contrees from within.

Someone is being a bit Amerocentric, I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdi_Allam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdi_Alla ... 3-Today.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_ ... _and_Assam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

[Zaras]

Then how come all the people spewing idiotic shit about demographics are white? How come all the people who rant about teh Mozlem threat are white?
I'm very well aware that Christianity isn't a whites' only religion, but it's still funny how I barely remember seeing non-white people rant about ebil Mozlems and how they're destroying are contrees from within.

Someone is being a bit Amerocentric, I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdi_Allam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdi_Alla ... 3-Today.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_ ... _and_Assam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

I'm aware of the LRA and India, but not Allam (seems he's a gigantic fuckhead). But I still wanted to emphasise that most of this Islamophobia comes creepily close to white supremacists ranting about dem brown peoples to my ears.

[Ifreann]

The vitriolic bigotry spewed about Muslims is not different from that spewed about Jews - and it's the same sort of people who do it now: nationalistic, xenophobic, far-right fearmongers. Their imbecilic arguments, twisted definitions, and irrational justifications are not worth addressing, except perhaps as symptoms of some kind of mental disorder and a need for better health care.

It's hilarious how people go on rants against Muslims and never bother to notice that if they replaced "Muslims" with "Jews", they sound like Hitler.

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if they were well aware.

[Greater Phenia]

Christianity is not a 'white only religion', most Hispanics are also Christian. I never mentioned race. Christains need more bebies in order to make sure their religion is #1 in the world in population.

You don't have to "mention" race when you make arguments like this. It's obvious as hell.

Power in numbers is important in any war (and there is a war going on right now).

A race war in which you view the 'right' side winning by literally out-breeding the inferior race.

Christian parents can raise their children to practice their faith. Palestine parents are teaching their children to hate Jews (look on you tube, there is even a children's show teaching anti-Jewish messages)

And you are trying to teach people to hate Muslims, making you absolutely no better. Framing your argument like you give a shit about Jews, or like you want Christianity to spread, comes across equally as bullshit. Judaism and Christianity alike are just handy labels for you to try to peddle this same old far-right extremist xenophobia and dysfunctional nationalism. No one's buying it.

[Imota]

She seems a bit young, and I'm not really sure what a culture minister's supposed to do, but good on her.

[Freiheit Reich]

Christianity is not a 'white only religion'

[Then how come all the people spewing idiotic shit about demographics are white? How come all the people who rant about teh Mozlem threat are white?

I'm very well aware that Christianity isn't a whites' only religion, but it's still funny how I barely remember seeing non-white people rant about ebil Mozlems and how they're destroying are contrees from within.

You don't think the Christians in Nigeria being killed are happy do you? I am sure they have a lot of fear. There is a civil war going on in Nigeria relating to religion (it is in the news, look it up). Also what about the recent Sudan civil war (which killed thousands of Christians in south Sudan). Those are wars, thousands died. Those were not white Christians being killed.

I only hate people that hate me. I don't believe in hating people unless they hate me first and most Muslims hate me and all other non-believers. I worked in Iraq and Afghanistan before. Muslims attacked our military base trying to kill Christians in the base. Were those rockets messages of peace? The USA spends billions helping those ungrateful nations (building schools, roads, and hospitals) and those barbarians still try to kill Americans. We liberated their countries from evil governments and only the Kurdish people said Thank You.

[Freiheit Reich]

It's hilarious how people go on rants against Muslims and never bother to notice that if they replaced "Muslims" with "Jews", they sound like Hitler.

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if they were well aware.

I don't want Muslims killed, I only want them to change their religion and become civilized. They can pick a less hateful religion like Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, just not Muslim. They have the least tolerance of any religion. Does Saudi Arabia have true freedom of religion? Why are women punished for driving alone there? Why are women in Iran not allowed to wear shorts? Watch or read "Not Without My Daughter" to learn more about Muslim culture in Iran. It is a true story about a man who basically tricks his wife into visiting Iran and then kidnaps his daughter.

[Freiheit Reich]

Christianity is not a 'white only religion', most Hispanics are also Christian. I never mentioned race. Christains need more bebies in order to make sure their religion is #1 in the world in population.

You don't have to "mention" race when you make arguments like this. It's obvious as hell.

Power in numbers is important in any war (and there is a war going on right now).

A race war in which you view the 'right' side winning by literally out-breeding the inferior race.

Christian parents can raise their children to practice their faith. Palestine parents are teaching their children to hate Jews (look on you tube, there is even a children's show teaching anti-Jewish messages)

Not a race war, a religious war. Big difference. Some people in Lebanon have been smart and brave enough to choose Christianity over Islam. I bet the average Christian there treats his wife nicer than the average Muslim there. The Christians in the Middle East and north Africa are brave and I feel a lot of sorrow for them. Their lives are constantly at risk. Look at the church killings recently in Iraq and Nigeria if you don't believe Christians are being killed by Muslims. Religious wars are more dangerous than race wars in my opinion.

[Knask]

I only hate people that hate me.

Stop giving them reasons to hate you. Stop speading hate. Stop killing innocent people and looking all bewildered when the bereaved families shout at you afterwards. Start following the word of Christ.

I don't believe in hating people unless they hate me first and most Muslims hate me and all other non-believers.

Yes, most of 1.62 billion people know who you are and hate you. Sure.

I worked in Iraq and Afghanistan before. Muslims attacked our military base trying to kill Christians in the base. Were those rockets messages of peace? The USA spends billions helping those ungrateful nations (building schools, roads, and hospitals) and those barbarians still try to kill Americans. We liberated their countries from evil governments and only the Kurdish people said Thank You.

You invaded two countries, at least one of them illegally, and left hundreds of thousands of dead in your wake - as well as chronic instability and millions of injured people. And you expect gratitude? Were your bullets messages of peace? No. More like the actions of hateful barbarians and murderers.

When barbarians invade other countries and kill the people who live there there is no reason to say "thank you" except - like in the case of the Kurds - it's in the sentence "Thank you for leaving us alone, now kindly fuck off."

Not that this has got anything to do with the topic, of course...

[Ifreann]

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if they were well aware.

I don't want Muslims killed, I only want them to change their religion and become civilized. They can pick a less hateful religion like Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, just not Muslim. They have the least tolerance of any religion. Does Saudi Arabia have true freedom of religion? Why are women punished for driving alone there? Why are women in Iran not allowed to wear shorts? Watch or read "Not Without My Daughter" to learn more about Muslim culture in Iran. It is a true story about a man who basically tricks his wife into visiting Iran and then kidnaps his daughter.

Know who else treated all the people of a given religion as though they were all the same and inferior?

[Samuraikoku]

I don't want Muslims killed, I only want them to change their religion and become civilized. They can pick a less hateful religion like Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, just not Muslim. They have the least tolerance of any religion. Does Saudi Arabia have true freedom of religion? Why are women punished for driving alone there? Why are women in Iran not allowed to wear shorts? Watch or read "Not Without My Daughter" to learn more about Muslim culture in Iran. It is a true story about a man who basically tricks his wife into visiting Iran and then kidnaps his daughter.

Know who else treated all the people of a given religion as though they were all the same and inferior?

The Empire of Tamriel?

[Kemalist]

I worked in Iraq and Afghanistan before. Muslims attacked our military base trying to kill Christians in the base. Were those rockets messages of peace?

Might be a little bit off-topic, but this reminds me of a well-known story here. After the declaration of the Turkish Republic, Istanbul hosts a reception where many ambassadors and attaches all around the world were invited. While the reception goes on fine, Ataturk notices the glances of the British attache at him. Since the beginning of the reception, he has been staring at him angrily and still keeping doing it. In order to learn what was his problem, Ataturk sends his aide. Then the aide comes back and explains:

- Sir, When I asked why he was copping an attitude, he said that you killed his father at the Gallipoli.

Then Ataturk answers;

- Well, didn't you ask him what was his father's business at the Gallipoli then ?

[Vestr-Norig]

Sure, hardly news really. She only got the job because SV is in the government, and because she is a muslim. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

[Ifreann]

Know who else treated all the people of a given religion as though they were all the same and inferior?

The Empire of Tamriel?

Give this man a sweetroll.

[Zaras]

There is a civil war going on in Nigeria relating to religion (it is in the news, look it up).

That's the UK's fault! If the British Empire and other colonial empires hadn't drawn some shockingly fuck-headed artificial boundaries, Africa would be a whole lot better.

Also what about the recent Sudan civil war (which killed thousands of Christians in south Sudan).

Not news. The Sudanese Civil Wars lasted between 1955-1972 and 1983-2006, and they were primarily driven by demands for increased regional autonomy, representation and linguistic minority rights. Religion was a secondary thing at best. And the recent Sudan internal conflict isn't about Christianity, it's about who gets to keep the oil-rich Abyei region!

I only hate people that hate me. I don't believe in hating people unless they hate me first and most Muslims hate me and all other non-believers.

Don't give them fucking reasons to hate you then by treating them like Hitler, genius.

I worked in Iraq and Afghanistan before. Muslims attacked our military base trying to kill Christians in the base.

Why the fuck were you in Iraq and Afghanistan to start with?

The USA spends billions helping those ungrateful nations (building schools, roads, and hospitals) and those barbarians still try to kill Americans.

Primarily because that aid money is wasted on propping up terrible dictators instead of helping the populace and the Muslims remember all the times the West meddled with their internal affairs neo-colonially, like in Iran in 1953. Do try to keep up.

We liberated their countries from evil governments and only the Kurdish people said Thank You.

It wasn't a liberation, dude. It was an invasion. Why the fuck would somebody be grateful that they were invaded? Did you ask the people of their respective countries if they wanted to be "liberated" and have puppet governments installed in the place of a dictatorship?

[Zaras]

I don't want Muslims killed, I only want them to change their religion and become civilized.

I don't want Jews killed! I just want them to change their religion and become civilized!

I don't want Christians killed! I just want them to change their religion and become civilized.

Judaism

Judaism is crazy enough to still follow the Old Testament. Fail.

Christianity

The civilized religion that behaved like a cult in the time of the Roman Empire, launched pogroms, crusades and persecution once it reached a dominant position, and includes way too many passages of god destroying things in its Bible? Epic fail.

They have the least tolerance of any religion.

Of course you should know, since you're as intolerant as you project Muslims as being.

Does Saudi Arabia have true freedom of religion? Why are women punished for driving alone there?

Because Saudi Arabia is A TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP. Why are you even surprised?

Why are women in Iran not allowed to wear shorts?

Sauce this. Now.

Watch or read "Not Without My Daughter" to learn more about Muslim culture in Iran.

NO. NO. NO. FUCK THAT BOOK. It's a pile of fucking shit that depicts Iranians as demons incarnate. Here's an actual Iranian setting you straight.

[Zaras]

Some people in Lebanon have been smart and brave enough to choose Christianity over Islam.

Dude, you sound like a racist. Stop it.

I bet the average Christian there treats his wife nicer than the average Muslim there.

I bet you're engaging in psychological projection.

Their lives are constantly at risk.

Their lives are constantly at risk when their fellow citizens band together to help them as was the case in Egypt.

Religious wars are more dangerous than race wars in my opinion.

Then abolish religion.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Why are women in Iran not allowed to wear shorts?

Sauce this. Now.

You're seriously asking for a source that Iran enforces Hijab? They're increasingly lax on enforcing the "proper" veil but really, you're asking for a source that they don't allow women to show the skin on their legs in public? This is a country where women are threatened for suntanning. Hell, even men aren't allowed to wear shorts in public.

http://www.iranianvisa.com/dress.htm

Men
Shorts are not acceptable in public places.
Wearing ties or bows is not a problem.
T-shirts are acceptable.


Women
Obeying Islamic rules including Hijab or Islamic dress-code is necessary in Iran. However these rules are not observed very strict, especially for tourists and foreigners. You must not worry about maintaining your hijab , since in times you have forgotten about it, the maximum penalty will be a request (usually in a kind way) to make it correct.
There are some minimum requirements for foreign women dress-code in public places :


1.Color : It's a completely false belief that wearing must be dark in Iran. There is no limitation in this respect and we recommend you make sure using light colors in summer.


2. Head : Hair should be covered. It does not mean you shall have a tight scarf around your head. Don't worry, It is very usual that some parts remain out of the cover. It's quite acceptable for women to allow whips of their hair to frame their face. Appropriate hats & caps can do this function as well as scarves. Scarf is the most common covering for head and is called "Roosari" in Farsi.


3.Body : Should be covered with loose clothes like man shirt, coat or manteau. Arms should not be bare.


4.Legs & feet : Legs should be covered down to ankles. Feet can be bare and you can wear sandals. Tight jeans are no problem.

And Egypt and Iran are not good examples of minority religions been treated well in Muslim majority countries. Yes, prayer rings et al. Really, it's nice that you recognize that Muslims aren't evil incarnate (unlike your opponent here that I have no interest of engaging) but you're picking really odd examples to defend your position (The Ayatollah Khomeini, wtf!?)...

Here's an actual Iranian setting you straight.

If I may take the liberty of making some corrections..

As a matter of fact, it is should be generally accepted that IranIranian civil society is the most advanced country in regard to women’s rights in the Islamic world.

Because as far as governmental laws and formal institutions are cocerned that would be an egregious lie....

[EnragedMaldivians]

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if they were well aware.

I don't want Muslims killed, I only want them to change their religion and become civilized. They can pick a less hateful religion like Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, just not Muslim. They have the least tolerance of any religion. Does Saudi Arabia have true freedom of religion? Why are women punished for driving alone there? Why are women in Iran not allowed to wear shorts? Watch or read "Not Without My Daughter" to learn more about Muslim culture in Iran. It is a true story about a man who basically tricks his wife into visiting Iran and then kidnaps his daughter.

Right, I said I wouldn't engage you but whatever.

You're absolutely right that Buddhists are more peaceful than Muslims. In fact back in the mid-50's, after decolonization, the Sinhalese government made Buddhism the official religion of Sri Lanka just to make their country more peaceful.

Unfortunately the ungrateful Hindu-Tamils (and, trust me on this, the Hindus are almost as bad as Muslims [I would't say as bad, because come on, no one is as bad as the Muslims]) didn't like this very much and Prahbahkaran and the LTTE decided to go up and down the country blowing up the flabbergasted peace loving Buddhist-Sinhalese.

Nonetheless the Buddhist-Sinhalese did not respond with hatred but with kindness and love.

Bless their hearts, it upset them to see the Tamils have to burden themselves by living out lives filled with hatred. Heck that they even had to burden themselves with living lives at all!

So back in 2009, the peace loving Sri Lankan Buddhists, with the aid of love-tanks and cuddle-bombs, decided to send the entire Hindu-Tamil population in the North East to Nirvana (and came very close to succeeding).

Thus did the peace loving Sinhale Buddhists bring peace to the island of Sri Lanka. If only the fanatic and hate filled Muslims would learn from and emulate their example.

[Zaras]

Sauce this. Now.

You're seriously asking for a source that Iran enforces Hijab?

I was asking Freiheit Reich for one, since he's been arguing that Muslims are evil incarnate.

Yes, prayer rings et al. Really, it's nice that you recognize that Muslims aren't evil incarnate (unlike your opponent here that I have no interest of engaging) but you're picking really odd examples to defend your position (The Ayatollah Khomeini, wtf!?)...

Wasn't using him to defend my position, just to poke gigantic holes in Freiheit Reich's. I just found it funny that even a fuckhead like Khomeini isn't as evil incarnate as Reich thinks.

I generally try not to bring Iran up too much because Iran's politics are... complicated. (Unfortunately, met too many people who don't look at them too closely.) I guess you can boil them down to the fact that Iranians as people are much better than the people who are in charge (hey, Khatami won elections twice.), and they've had 30 years to get sick of their system.

[Gravlen]

Sure, hardly news really. She only got the job because SV is in the government, and because she is a muslim. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

The AP politician only got the job because a different party is in a coalition government with the party she's a member of?

[Zaras]

Sure, hardly news really. She only got the job because SV is in the government, and because she is a muslim. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

The AP politician only got the job because a different party is in a coalition government with the party she's a member of?

Somebody got a job because they're part of the party that's in the ruling coalition. News at 11.

[Gravlen]

The AP politician only got the job because a different party is in a coalition government with the party she's a member of?

Somebody got a job because they're part of the party that's in the ruling coalition. News at 11.

Yeah, but... I would rather think that the person got the job because she's a member of the ruling party (AP). The fact that there's other parties (SV) taking part in a coalition government doesn't mean shit.

[Gauthier]

Meh. I'd have preferred Mari Boine.

How many Christians are invading Iran... and trying to force their views on the people there?

If Mitt Romney has his way, a few hundred thousand, starting sometime next year.

But that's okay, it's just liberating those savage Ayrab ragheads and bringing democracy to them!