29-year-old Muslim woman named culture minister of Norway

[Vecherd]

I wouldn't expect you to be - they're probably a bit too enlightened to be a good fit for you. .

And I wouldnt expect you to be WN.. Or would I..

Pressure can take place in ordinary marriages as well, I hope you realize.

Of course, but I find it rather shitty to let tradition and class and parents have a say in whom you marries.

[Zaras]

yes seriusly I cant think of anything that have influensed Norwegian culture, more than christanity, but please enlighten me

Scandinavia, based on my though, is the most secular, liberal, atheistic place, but I'm not said I like it. BTW, Norway is secular, right?

Seriously. Scandinavia and the World has a bigger influence on Norwegian culture than Christianity.

[Gravlen]

It's kinda amazing how she was elected as a MP in 2009 without being mentioned.

She was chosen by the prime minister to take over for Anniken Huitfeldt a few months ago.

Indeed she was.

She was also, as I said, elected to be a Member of Parliament in 2009 (representative no. 15 from Oslo).

So... What's your point?

[Vecherd]

Scandinavia, based on my though, is the most secular, liberal, atheistic place, but I'm not said I like it. BTW, Norway is secular, right?

Seriously. Scandinavia and the World has a bigger influence on Norwegian culture than Christianity.

I wish. Scandinavia and the World is awesome. Hard to say how many people are religiously Christian, estimated at around 30-70%, but 80%+ is culturally Christian.

The Christian Democratic Party ruled Norway from 1997 to 2005.

[Khelshar]

She was chosen by the prime minister to take over for Anniken Huitfeldt a few months ago.

Indeed she was.

She was also, as I said, elected to be a Member of Parliament in 2009 (representative no. 15 from Oslo).

So... What's your point?

I thought you mean she was elected as Minister of Culture earlier. I misunderstood. But why is that amazing? She is not the first non-ethnic in the Parliament, and she is not the youngest either.

[Zaras]

I wish. Scandinavia and the World is awesome.

Skål!

The Christian Democratic Party ruled Norway from 1997 to 2005.

Because Thorbjørn Jagland was dumb enough to let them...

[Gravlen]

I wouldn't expect you to be - they're probably a bit too enlightened to be a good fit for you. .

And I wouldnt expect you to be WN.. Or would I..

Yeah, I'm not surprised you can't understand your own mind either.

Pressure can take place in ordinary marriages as well, I hope you realize.

Of course, but I find it rather shitty to let tradition and class and parents have a say in whom you marries.

Why would it be shitty to voluntarily ask your parents to help you find someone to marry, exactly? You know, what Tajik said she wouldn't rule out back when she was 21?

[EnragedMaldivians]

That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

[Zaras]

That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

With a CHAINSAW!

[Gravlen]

Indeed she was.

She was also, as I said, elected to be a Member of Parliament in 2009 (representative no. 15 from Oslo).

So... What's your point?

I thought you mean she was elected as Minister of Culture earlier. I misunderstood. But why is that amazing? She is not the first non-ethnic in the Parliament, and she is not the youngest either.

Smiil made the statement that "3 years ago labour party won, and this girl was not mentioned at all," - something which is quite incredible if it were true (which, of course, it isn't) considering she got elected into Parliament.

I think she would be the first person elected into Parliament unmentioned by the party she belongs to if it had happened the way Smiil imagined it. Thus, quite amazing. If it were true. Which it isn't. At all.

[Gravlen]

That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

An armed Penguin Supremacist, thank you!

[Vecherd]

Yeah, I'm not surprised you can't understand your own mind either.

Keep coming back.. *sigh*

Why would it be shitty to voluntarily ask your parents to help you find someone to marry, exactly? You know, what Tajik said she wouldn't rule out back when she was 21?

A hook up.

[Smiil]

Why would it be shitty to voluntarily ask your parents to help you find someone to marry, exactly? You know, what Tajik said she wouldn't rule out back when she was 21?

the problem is that it is hard to seperate between a forced marriage and an arranged one. The police see two girls hushed down to pakistan to marry their cousin, it is hard to know who does it for love and who is forced.

[Smiil]

I thought you mean she was elected as Minister of Culture earlier. I misunderstood. But why is that amazing? She is not the first non-ethnic in the Parliament, and she is not the youngest either.

Smiil made the statement that "3 years ago labour party won, and this girl was not mentioned at all," - something which is quite incredible if it were true (which, of course, it isn't) considering she got elected into Parliament.

I think she would be the first person elected into Parliament unmentioned by the party she belongs to if it had happened the way Smiil imagined it. Thus, quite amazing. If it were true. Which it isn't. At all.

the Norwegian Storting (congress) have 169 seats, the people is devided between 8 different parties. The year after 22 juli (breiviks attack on AUF) around 60% bothered to vote, how many do you think can name all of the 169 representatives?

[Fransikania]

Seriously. Scandinavia and the World has a bigger influence on Norwegian culture than Christianity.

I wish. Scandinavia and the World is awesome. Hard to say how many people are religiously Christian, estimated at around 30-70%, but 80%+ is culturally Christian.

The Christian Democratic Party ruled Norway from 1997 to 2005.

Well the Christian Democratic Party ruled Norway with 2 other parties in a coalition. And it was from 1997 to 2000 and from 2001 to 2005. The labour party was from 2000 to 2001.

[Zaras]

I wish. Scandinavia and the World is awesome. Hard to say how many people are religiously Christian, estimated at around 30-70%, but 80%+ is culturally Christian.

The Christian Democratic Party ruled Norway from 1997 to 2005.

Well the Christian Democratic Party ruled Norway with 2 other parties in a coalition. And it was from 1997 to 2000 and from 2001 to 2005. The labour party was from 2000 to 2001.

I'm simplifying, yes, but Jagland allowed them because of his 36.9 ultimatum, then Stoltenberg somehow wrangled into office for a year.

Jagland is definitely a bizarre politician. But hey, better the Christian Democrats than irrensponsible tax-cutters and race-baiters like Fremskrittspartiet.

[Smiil]

Well the Christian Democratic Party ruled Norway with 2 other parties in a coalition. And it was from 1997 to 2000 and from 2001 to 2005. The labour party was from 2000 to 2001.

I'm simplifying, yes, but Jagland allowed them because of his 36.9 ultimatum, then Stoltenberg somehow wrangled into office for a year.

Jagland is definitely a bizarre politician. But hey, better the Christian Democrats than irrensponsible tax-cutters and race-baiters like Fremskrittspartiet.

the 36.9 rule was a good thing initialy (for you who dont understand laboure party said they were going into opposition unless they got 36.9% of the votes, they got around 34-35 somewhere. Now secondly I think it is fun how you call fremskrittspartiet irresponsible and race-baiters when they yet are the only party that have not yet been in office. First off lowering taxes and increase fockus on infrastructure instead of wasting money on illegal imigrantcriminals that do not want to be integrated is a valid option. As of today imigrants a overrepresented in jail. in 2006 on avrage 3642 persons was in jail, 1/3 was imigrants. Each day in prison cost 4500 kr (900 dollar) that is 1 092 600 dollars each day based on people that do not want or cant follow norwegian laws after coming to Norway of free will. That Fremskritspartiet want to enforce a system where you are evicted if you break the rules is not racism, it is the purest form of justice and I remember that Norway only accept around 10 000 imigrants each year, by evicting those who break the rules you open the door for people who want to follow the rules

[Zaras]

the 36.9 rule was a good thing initialy (for you who dont understand laboure party said they were going into opposition unless they got 36.9% of the votes, they got around 34-35 somewhere.

And they were still the largest party in the Storting.

Now secondly I think it is fun how you call fremskrittspartiet irresponsible and race-baiters when they yet are the only party that have not yet been in office.

For good reasons.

First off lowering taxes and increase fockus on infrastructure instead of wasting money on illegal imigrantcriminals that do not want to be integrated is a valid option.

You can't defend Fremskrittspartiet by ranting about "illegal imigrantcriminals". It makes you look like you're not aware that you're shooting yourself in the foot.

As of today imigrants a overrepresented in jail.

Make investigations into why. To just leap to thinking that you should throw them all out is a pretty bigoted thought process.

in 2006 on avrage 3642 persons was in jail, 1/3 was imigrants.

So most of them were Norwegians.

Each day in prison cost 4500 kr (900 dollar) that is 1 092 600 dollars each day based on people that do not want or cant follow norwegian laws after coming to Norway of free will.

Because you are such a mind-reader you know that people don't want to follow Norwegian laws and that the Norwegian police don't have any problem with systematic institutional racism.

That Fremskritspartiet want to enforce a system where you are evicted if you break the rules is not racism,

Yes it is. How come if Norwegians break the rules they get off with a slap on the wrist, but if immigrants break the rules they're thrown out of Norway? That's racism.

by evicting those who break the rules you open the door for people who want to follow the rules

How'd you like it if you were thrown out of Norway for spitting gum on the street?

That's how ludicruous Fremskrittspartiet's approach to immigration is. But what do you expect from people who used blatant islamophobia in the 1987 local elections?

[Smiil]

As of today imigrants a overrepresented in jail.

Make investigations into why. To just leap to thinking that you should throw them all out is a pretty bigoted thought process.[/quote]
point is not why, but if I had to guess becouse the came from iraq and watched their entire family burn to death after an american drone attack. That does not exclude the point that each criminal imigrant takes up the spot for one lawabiding imigrant

in 2006 on avrage 3642 persons was in jail, 1/3 was imigrants.

So most of them were Norwegians.

yes ofcourse 90% of the people in Norway are norwegians and they reperesent 66% of the people in jail, while 10% of the people in Norway are 3 conutry imigrants and they make up 33% of all people in jail. Do the math.

Each day in prison cost 4500 kr (900 dollar) that is 1 092 600 dollars each day based on people that do not want or cant follow norwegian laws after coming to Norway of free will.

Because you are such a mind-reader you know that people don't want to follow Norwegian laws and that the Norwegian police don't have any problem with systematic institutional racism.

No, that is not what I said, I pointed out that you could evict some people, not stop them at the border.

That Fremskritspartiet want to enforce a system where you are evicted if you break the rules is not racism,

Yes it is. How come if Norwegians break the rules they get off with a slap on the wrist, but if immigrants break the rules they're thrown out of Norway? That's racism.

How is that racism? We already do it with swedish and danish people they do jailtime in their own countries, why not people from Iraq?

by evicting those who break the rules you open the door for people who want to follow the rules

How'd you like it if you were thrown out of Norway for spitting gum on the street?

That is not an option, they want to evict people who convicted to 3 years or more in jail, like rape, murder, distrubution of drugs. How do you feel about we stop people on the border bexouse the qouta is full and we cant send back a guy who raped 6 women in the past year?

That's how ludicruous Fremskrittspartiet's approach to immigration is. But what do you expect from people who used blatant islamophobia in the 1987 local elections?

Try using statistic that is not 25 years old.

[Zaras]

point is not why, but if I had to guess becouse the came from iraq and watched their entire family burn to death after an american drone attack. That does not exclude the point that each criminal imigrant takes up the spot for one lawabiding imigrant

That's not how it works. Immigration is not a zero-sum game. If you can't recognise this, your argument sounds really silly.

yes ofcourse 90% of the people in Norway are norwegians and they reperesent 66% of the people in jail, while 10% of the people in Norway are 3 conutry imigrants and they make up 33% of all people in jail. Do the math.

66 + 33 = 99. That's still 1% unaccounted for. Plus, what do you expect? That Norwegians represent 90% of the people in jail?

Norway has a super low level of crime either way, so I have no idea what your argument here is.

No, that is not what I said, I pointed out that you could evict some people, not stop them at the border.

Which is worse? Throwing people out for committing crimes while being immigrants, or refusing people access into Norway for being immigrants?

How is that racism? We already do it with swedish and danish people they do jailtime in their own countries, why not people from Iraq?

You must not know much about human rights in a huge part of the world if you can't see a problem with this.

That is not an option, they want to evict people who convicted to 3 years or more in jail, like rape, murder, distrubution of drugs.

Yeah, because their native country is gonna want them back.

How do you feel about we stop people on the border bexouse the qouta is full and we cant send back a guy who raped 6 women in the past year?

I'd feel that your immigration system needs to be rethought if you actually have a bloody quota.

Try using statistic that is not 25 years old.

Try not defending a party with a proven record of stoking up unfounded fears of immigrants to get votes.

[Smiil]

point is not why, but if I had to guess becouse the came from iraq and watched their entire family burn to death after an american drone attack. That does not exclude the point that each criminal imigrant takes up the spot for one lawabiding imigrant

That's not how it works. Immigration is not a zero-sum game. If you can't recognise this, your argument sounds really silly.

yes ofcourse 90% of the people in Norway are norwegians and they reperesent 66% of the people in jail, while 10% of the people in Norway are 3 conutry imigrants and they make up 33% of all people in jail. Do the math.

66 + 33 = 99. That's still 1% unaccounted for. Plus, what do you expect? That Norwegians represent 90% of the people in jail?

Norway has a super low level of crime either way, so I have no idea what your argument here is.

No, that is not what I said, I pointed out that you could evict some people, not stop them at the border.

Which is worse? Throwing people out for committing crimes while being immigrants, or refusing people access into Norway for being immigrants?

How is that racism? We already do it with swedish and danish people they do jailtime in their own countries, why not people from Iraq?

You must not know much about human rights in a huge part of the world if you can't see a problem with this.

That is not an option, they want to evict people who convicted to 3 years or more in jail, like rape, murder, distrubution of drugs.

Yeah, because their native country is gonna want them back.

How do you feel about we stop people on the border bexouse the qouta is full and we cant send back a guy who raped 6 women in the past year?

I'd feel that your immigration system needs to be rethought if you actually have a bloody quota.

Try using statistic that is not 25 years old.

Try not defending a party with a proven record of stoking up unfounded fears of immigrants to get votes.

1) I dont know where you are from, but in Norway imigration is actualy a number thing, the officials have numbers on how many are allowed to enter

2) that was not what I ment. But yes if it imigrants and non imigrants had been the same ethnical Norwegians would make uo 90% of prison population, but they only make up 66% that means that an imigrant is more likely to comit a criminal act then a ethnical Norwegian

3) Again it comes down who deserves your symphaty, the viction or the ofender. Frankly I dont even care if they goes to jail, I just dont want them her.

4) that is not an option, they are not Norwegian citicens, the countries dont have a choice.

5) No it is common sence, we have a population on 5 million people. We cant even help the people that come her. Remember that the people that come, often cant wright or read, fail at simple math and on top of this know nothing about the Norwegian system. to teach an imigrant these things take time and cost money there are simply not enought resorces, and if you take into acout that uneployment rates are 5% higher then the avrage population (this includes imigrats such as swedish, polish and danish imigrants that actualy just are her to work), you see that even if Norway is a rich country, our pail of cash is not endles.

6) this is not unfonded fears but legimate concerns. I alredy paide around 40 000 dollar in income tax last year, why do I need to pay more to keep the criminals her, when there are plenty of honest imigrants that will contribute to the society, that cant enter becous a lowlofe took his/her place?

[Sociobiology]

yes ofcourse 90% of the people in Norway are norwegians and they reperesent 66% of the people in jail, while 10% of the people in Norway are 3 conutry imigrants and they make up 33% of all people in jail. Do the math.

what is the ratio of income since ncome is a main predictor of crime you must account for it

[Smiil]

yes ofcourse 90% of the people in Norway are norwegians and they reperesent 66% of the people in jail, while 10% of the people in Norway are 3 conutry imigrants and they make up 33% of all people in jail. Do the math.

what is the ratio of income since ncome is a main predictor of crime you must account for it

imigrants earn less inn general, but Norway is in a weary different situation then the rest of the world. When greece have an unenploymentrate of 25% and GB have one of 8% and the US 9-10% Norway only have 3% unenployment and cooperations are "screaming" for more people. The lack of work is not a case of can't but more a case of won't

[Gauthier]

That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

An armed Penguin Supremacist, thank you!

Batman Returns made you bawl like a baby didn't it? Admit it.

[Zaras]

1) I dont know where you are from, but in Norway imigration is actualy a number thing, the officials have numbers on how many are allowed to enter.

That's just stupid. Even the USA abolished its quota system in 1965 on the grounds of it being blatantly discriminatory.

2) that was not what I ment. But yes if it imigrants and non imigrants had been the same ethnical Norwegians would make uo 90% of prison population, but they only make up 66% that means that an imigrant is more likely to comit a criminal act then a ethnical Norwegian

No, that doesn't follow at all. You shouldn't leap to conclusions. A majority of drug users in the USA are white but a majority of people in prison for drug offenses are black. Does that mean black people are more likely to be criminals?

3) Again it comes down who deserves your symphaty, the viction or the ofender. Frankly I dont even care if they goes to jail, I just dont want them her.

"I don't want them here" is a very insular, paranoid viewpoint.

4) that is not an option, they are not Norwegian citicens, the countries dont have a choice.

I don't see how this ties into the argument...

5) No it is common sence, we have a population on 5 million people. We cant even help the people that come her.

Get better at it then. You're Norway, for fuck's sake. Statistically the best country in the world. You should have taking care of your citizens down to science by now.

Remember that the people that come, often cant wright or read, fail at simple math and on top of this know nothing about the Norwegian system. to teach an imigrant these things take time and cost money there are simply not enought resorces

You're rich in oil goddamnit, of course there are enough resources.

and if you take into acout that uneployment rates are 5% higher then the avrage population (this includes imigrats such as swedish, polish and danish imigrants that actualy just are her to work), you see that even if Norway is a rich country, our pail of cash is not endles.

Again: oil reserves and the oil fund. Might not be endless, but you're not hurting for cash.

I alredy paide around 40 000 dollar in income tax last year, why do I need to pay more to keep the criminals her

Please, stop sounding like a nationalist who thinks all immigrants are scum. You pay income taxes so that the government can give you the excellent public services you take for granted and make sure Norway remains one of the best countries in the world. Looking at immigrants as "criminals" is the wrong way: immigration has nothing to do with income taxes.

when there are plenty of honest imigrants that will contribute to the society, that cant enter becous a lowlofe took his/her place?

Simple: abolish your stupid immigration quota system and transition to a more normal one.