29-year-old Muslim woman named culture minister of Norway

[Qasarastan]

Ahh, this is clearly a sign of mass Islamization, commited by Islamofascists in Norway! Al-Qaeda have smuggle their spy into the Government of Norway, our priority is to kill (also rape as the bonus) her before she exploding the building or something....

[Smiil]

The problem is that she is the minister of culture, a post where her own ideales play a vital part, Had she been appointed head of finance or fishing minister (yea that is a real post) there would be no problem, becouse in those posts only hard facts would count, minister of culture is in its nature run by subjective opinions

[Qasarastan]

The problem is that she is the minister of culture, a post where her own ideales play a vital part, Had she been appointed head of finance or fishing minister (yea that is a real post) there would be no problem, becouse in those posts only hard facts would count, minister of culture is in its nature run by subjective opinions

..what is the problem? Legalizing burka? Problem?

[Smiil]

The problem is that she is the minister of culture, a post where her own ideales play a vital part, Had she been appointed head of finance or fishing minister (yea that is a real post) there would be no problem, becouse in those posts only hard facts would count, minister of culture is in its nature run by subjective opinions

..what is the problem? Legalizing burka? Problem?

problem is that she have cultural understanding that crashes with the majorety of the people she is going to govern. A comunist country would never install a market liberalist as minister of coin and a militery regime would not instal a passifist as head of the army why would you install a muslim as minister of culture in a contry built upon christian ideals?

[Baltenstein]

I don't think that Nrowegian society defines itself as "built upon Christian ideals".

[Qasarastan]

..what is the problem? Legalizing burka? Problem?

problem is that she have cultural understanding that crashes with the majorety of the people she is going to govern. A comunist country would never install a market liberalist as minister of coin and a militery regime would not instal a passifist as head of the army why would you install a muslim as minister of culture in a contry built upon christian ideals?

"Christian Ideals"? Norway? Seriously?

[Smiil]

yes seriusly I cant think of anything that have influensed Norwegian culture, more than christanity, but please enlighten me

[Qasarastan]

yes seriusly I cant think of anything that have influensed Norwegian culture, more than christanity, but please enlighten me

Scandinavia, based on my though, is the most secular, liberal, atheistic place, but I'm not said I like it. BTW, Norway is secular, right?

[Ifreann]

The problem is that she is the minister of culture, a post where her own ideales play a vital part, Had she been appointed head of finance or fishing minister (yea that is a real post) there would be no problem, becouse in those posts only hard facts would count, minister of culture is in its nature run by subjective opinions

Every post is run on subjective opinions.

[Smiil]

I don't think that Nrowegian society defines itself as "built upon Christian ideals".

Not only Noway but most of western europe have been built upon christian ideals, that does not mean that the society is not secular and I dont say that Norwegians bases there daily decitions upon a religius belives, but for 1000 years Norway was under the same have influense of religius leaders much like the rest of the world, that would have to make an inpact.
1) the cross in the flag
2) 7th vers of the national anthem starts "Norwegian man in house and cabbin, thank your great God" and ends "everything that the fathers fought form, all that the mothers have cried for, have the lord made easier, so that we won"
3) The king is still by law required to be christian
4) by 2005 45% of Norwegians belived in the christian God.

these are just some points, but clearly proves that Norwegian culture is atleast partly built upon a christian influense

[Ifreann]

I don't think that Nrowegian society defines itself as "built upon Christian ideals".

Not only Noway but most of western europe have been built upon christian ideals, that does not mean that the society is not secular and I dont say that Norwegians bases there daily decitions upon a religius belives, but for 1000 years Norway was under the same have influense of religius leaders much like the rest of the world, that would have to make an inpact.
1) the cross in the flag
2) 7th vers of the national anthem starts "Norwegian man in house and cabbin, thank your great God" and ends "everything that the fathers fought form, all that the mothers have cried for, have the lord made easier, so that we won"
3) The king is still by law required to be christian
4) by 2005 45% of Norwegians belived in the christian God.

these are just some points, but clearly proves that Norwegian culture is atleast partly built upon a christian influense

None of which means that a Muslim can't be the Culture Minister.

[L Ron Cupboard]

I wonder if she likes death metal.

[Ifreann]

I wonder if she likes death metal.

Who in Norway doesn't?

[Smiil]

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None of which means that a Muslim can't be the Culture Minister.[/quote]

yes it does, the ministers views should reflect the wievs of the majority of the people. It is clear to me that a muslim does not share the same values as the rest of sosiety, had she been appointed minister of education this would be a non-issue becouse her cultral heritage would not influense the job she was doing, but as the case stands she will be desiding which project she should suport, the one that forward the muslim agenda, the christian agenda or the non-religius agenda. And that can become a problem when she has so strong opinions on the subject that may distract her from doing what is right

[Baltenstein]

I wonder if she likes death metal.

Wrong country, you're thinking about Sweden. Norway's thing is Black Metal.

[Ifreann]

yes it does, the ministers views should reflect the wievs of the majority of the people.

Is Norway not a democracy? Do you perhaps know of some wrongdoing in her election?

It is clear to me that a muslim does not share the same values as the rest of sosiety,

Which is patently wrong because "the rest of society" includes 106,735 Muslims.

had she been appointed minister of education this would be a non-issue becouse her cultral heritage would not influense the job she was doing,

No more than her cultural heritage is going to influence her opinion now.

but as the case stands she will be desiding which project she should suport, the one that forward the muslim agenda, the christian agenda or the non-religius agenda.

Which she wouldn't do in a post like education? Nonsense.

And that can become a problem when she has so strong opinions on the subject that may distract her from doing what is right

The same as literally every politician in the history of human governments.

[Baltenstein]

yes it does, the ministers views should reflect the wievs of the majority of the people. It is clear to me that a muslim does not share the same values as the rest of sosiety

Speak for yourself then. Most people probably know that Muslims are perfectly capable of sharing the same values as the rest of society.

had she been appointed minister of education this would be a non-issue becouse her cultral heritage would not influense the job she was doing

Education has also a lot to do with values, you know.

but as the case stands she will be desiding which project she should suport, the one that forward the muslim agenda, the christian agenda or the non-religius agenda. And that can become a problem when she has so strong opinions on the subject that may distract her from doing what is right

There is no "war of agendas" and what you describe is not what culture ministries do, unless they happen to be one-party-dictatorships, which Norway pretty much isn't.

[Ifreann]

I wonder if she likes death metal.

Wrong country, you're thinking about Sweden. Norway's think is Black Metal.

Feh, you say potato.

[Khelshar]

yes it does, the ministers views should reflect the wievs of the majority of the people. It is clear to me that a muslim does not share the same values as the rest of sosiety, had she been appointed minister of education this would be a non-issue becouse her cultral heritage would not influense the job she was doing, but as the case stands she will be desiding which project she should suport, the one that forward the muslim agenda, the christian agenda or the non-religius agenda. And that can become a problem when she has so strong opinions on the subject that may distract her from doing what is right

Just because she is a muslim, she has other ideals? I have read about her, see seems to be very integrated. And her job as minister of culture is to make norwegian modern culture better. She will not fight for the ideals and morals of the society, but help the movie industry to get going. And you dont have to a christian to do that. And what ideals do you thin about?

And, Norway is secular. No state chruch, and 45 % of the popluation is in a christian church. I am, but i do not belive in God. And not that many of those 45 does either.

[Smiil]

yes it does, the ministers views should reflect the wievs of the majority of the people.

Is Norway not a democracy? Do you perhaps know of some wrongdoing in her election?

It is clear to me that a muslim does not share the same values as the rest of sosiety,

Which is patently wrong because "the rest of society" includes 106,735 Muslims.

had she been appointed minister of education this would be a non-issue becouse her cultral heritage would not influense the job she was doing,

No more than her cultural heritage is going to influence her opinion now.

but as the case stands she will be desiding which project she should suport, the one that forward the muslim agenda, the christian agenda or the non-religius agenda.

Which she wouldn't do in a post like education? Nonsense.

And that can become a problem when she has so strong opinions on the subject that may distract her from doing what is right

The same as literally every politician in the history of human governments.

in norway you wote for political parties, 3 years ago labour party won, and this girl was not mentioned at all, it is first now after the last minister resigned this girl enterd the post. the USA is going to hold a election now in Nowember, lets say Obama wins, and then makes up his gouverment consisting only of muslims, it would still be a valid gouverment but it would not reflect what the majorety of the voters wanted.

in Norway only 3,3% of the population is muslim

yes but the difference is that education is an objectiv culture is subjectiv

again, she wouldent, she would decide how long the students would need to be at school each day, the learning platform is decided by 2/3 majority in the storting (congress)

last one I agree on, but the difference is that if she had ben nonreligius/christian she would have the suport of around 50% of the population if she is muslime she would have the suport of #% of the population

[Khelshar]

last one I agree on, but the difference is that if she had ben nonreligius/christian she would have the suport of around 50% of the population if she is muslime she would have the suport of #% of the population

Yeah, and then we can say she represents 3 % of the population(though i dont think she does, and neither does she). Then she represents those 3 %, as we have to be representative.

But that is not why she was chosen. That was because the prime minister wanted her to be the minister, so no matter what she would belive in, it would not be representative, because no one elected her but the prime minister.

[Ifreann]

Is Norway not a democracy? Do you perhaps know of some wrongdoing in her election?

Which is patently wrong because "the rest of society" includes 106,735 Muslims.

No more than her cultural heritage is going to influence her opinion now.

Which she wouldn't do in a post like education? Nonsense.

The same as literally every politician in the history of human governments.

in norway you wote for political parties, 3 years ago labour party won, and this girl was not mentioned at all,

Not to you, perhaps, but she was elected then. The party with the support of the Norwegian people has appointed her to this post. They have a mandate from the people, and by extension so does she.

it is first now after the last minister resigned this girl enterd the post. the USA is going to hold a election now in Nowember, lets say Obama wins, and then makes up his gouverment consisting only of muslims, it would still be a valid gouverment but it would not reflect what the majorety of the voters wanted.

Except that the voters wanted Obama to be in a position where he could appoint anyone he wanted.

in Norway only 3,3% of the population is muslim

And those people are part of Norwegian society.

yes but the difference is that education is an objectiv culture is subjectiv

Education is not objective. Tell me how much a teacher of three years experience should, objectively, be paid. Then show me the method by which you calculated that number.

again, she wouldent, she would decide how long the students would need to be at school each day, the learning platform is decided by 2/3 majority in the storting (congress)

And you think she can just do whatever she wants as the Culture Minister? Bollocks. If she gains the ire of her party she can, I assume, be removed from the post. Or the party.

last one I agree on, but the difference is that if she had ben nonreligius/christian she would have the suport of around 50% of the population if she is muslime she would have the suport of #% of the population

This is only true if Norway is a country of bigots that can only support people of their own religion. Which I very much doubt.

[EnragedMaldivians]

..what is the problem? Legalizing burka? Problem?

problem is that she have cultural understanding that crashes with the majorety of the people she is going to govern. A comunist country would never install a market liberalist as minister of coin and a militery regime would not instal a passifist as head of the army why would you install a muslim as minister of culture in a contry built upon christian ideals?

Whining about Muslim culture ministers hence alienating Muslims and indicating that their cultural background prevents them from being truly Norwegian is a great way to integrate them into the mainstream.

In fact, I can think of no conceivable route through which such actions would incentivise any Muslims to increasingly retreat into their religious identity - and I'm positive that none of them will harbour any grudges over this treatment and gravitate towards Political Islam out of spite. Well done.

[Vecherd]

She supports forced marriages, therefore I am against her. New low even for Labour.

http://www.dagsavisen.no/nyemeninger/al ... ost_255835
http://www.verdidebatt.no/debatt/cat12/ ... ost_321918

Unsurprisingly, both you and the former head of the Norwegian Defence League are wrong, since there's a difference between arranged marriages and forced marriages. As she points out, forced marriages are illegal under Norwegian law.

Unlike you I am not a member though

Arranged marriages is not good, the parents/third party of two parts agree to wed away two people means a lot of pressure and can also go against the ideals of multiculturalism which I think is bad.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Unsurprisingly, both you and the former head of the Norwegian Defence League are wrong, since there's a difference between arranged marriages and forced marriages. As she points out, forced marriages are illegal under Norwegian law.

Unlike you I am not a member though

Arranged marriages is not good, the parents/third party of two parts agree to wed away two people means a lot of pressure and can also go against the ideals of multiculturalism which I think is bad.

Look, I don't particularly like arranged marriage but there really is a difference between two families introducing their two children for them to find out if they'd like to become spouses, and downright "ordering" them to get married. The latter should be illegal but I see no reason for the former to be illegal.