29-year-old Muslim woman named culture minister of Norway

[Gauthier]

The vitriolic bigotry spewed about Muslims is not different from that spewed about Jews - and it's the same sort of people who do it now: nationalistic, xenophobic, far-right fearmongers. Their imbecilic arguments, twisted definitions, and irrational justifications are not worth addressing, except perhaps as symptoms of some kind of mental disorder and a need for better health care.

It's hilarious how people go on rants against Muslims and never bother to notice that if they replaced "Muslims" with "Jews", they sound like Hitler.

That would be a hilarious hobby, someone remastering Hitler's speeches and replace "Juden" with "Muslim" just for laughs.

[ArghNeedAName]

Why has this thread gained so much attention?

[Gauthier]

Why has this thread gained so much attention?

It's like Magic Eye Puzzle. Depending on your view either Norway is trolling Brevik or Norway is falling victim to Islamization like Brevik tried to warn everyone.

[Greater Phenia]

You don't have to "mention" race when you make arguments like this. It's obvious as hell.



A race war in which you view the 'right' side winning by literally out-breeding the inferior race.

Not a race war, a religious war. Big difference.

Not when your argument is that the war will be won by breeding.

I bet the average Christian there treats his wife nicer than the average Muslim there.

I bet you're making generalizations with absolutely jack shit to back them up!

Look at the church killings recently in Iraq and Nigeria if you don't believe Christians are being killed by Muslims. Religious wars are more dangerous than race wars in my opinion.

Especially when some people [i.e., you] are polarizing the issue constantly with denigration and attacks on one religion as part of some hate-based dogma of superiority.

Christians are killed by Muslims, Muslims are killed by Christians, and the only thing you're doing is saying one is right and the other inconsequential. Muslims have their holy book pissed on, their corpses desecrated by conquering armies of largely Christian nations - and you're here essentially cheering them on, saying Islam is not a religion but a "cult," that Muslims are worse people, and parading around your goal of eradicating their religion. What do you think you're accomplishing here, except spreading fear and hate? You think Muslims are going to read your blathering statements and go "gee, he's right, I better be smart and brave and convert to Christianity! Because this guy is so very Christian"? Or do you not care what the inferior people think?

[EnragedMaldivians]

Why has this thread gained so much attention?

It's not so much the actual news-item/issue but the tangential discussion that follows about whether or not Muslims are a monolithic evil entity hell bent on enforcing the worst possible interpretations of Sharia law on a global scale that always drives these threads well beyond 20+ pages.

[Sociobiology]

yet more proof Norway is awesome and spits in the face of hate and stupidity everywhere.

the only conclusion can be Odin is real and he offers his aid to only his home country. ;S

[Fransikania]

Why has this thread gained so much attention?

Becuse she is a muslim

[Freiheit Reich]

I only hate people that hate me.

Stop giving them reasons to hate you. Stop speading hate. Stop killing innocent people and looking all bewildered when the bereaved families shout at you afterwards. Start following the word of Christ.

I don't believe in hating people unless they hate me first and most Muslims hate me and all other non-believers.

Yes, most of 1.62 billion people know who you are and hate you. Sure.

I worked in Iraq and Afghanistan before. Muslims attacked our military base trying to kill Christians in the base. Were those rockets messages of peace? The USA spends billions helping those ungrateful nations (building schools, roads, and hospitals) and those barbarians still try to kill Americans. We liberated their countries from evil governments and only the Kurdish people said Thank You.

You invaded two countries, at least one of them illegally, and left hundreds of thousands of dead in your wake - as well as chronic instability and millions of injured people. And you expect gratitude? Were your bullets messages of peace? No. More like the actions of hateful barbarians and murderers.

When barbarians invade other countries and kill the people who live there there is no reason to say "thank you" except - like in the case of the Kurds - it's in the sentence "Thank you for leaving us alone, now kindly fuck off."

Not that this has got anything to do with the topic, of course...

I mean that the Muslims hate me and all other non-believers. They don't have to know people personally to hate them. They just say simply 'all infidels must die.' Do you think Osama Bin Laden was a peaceful man? He was a man of peace but he was a 'good and devout Muslim.'

The Sunnis had reasons to be angry about Iraq but the Shiites should have been grateful. Saddam Hussein mistreated the Shiites but then the Shiites burn American flags and shoot the soldiers.

If Islam is a peaceful religion then why do Shiites and Sunnis kill each other at mosques in Iraq? Is that love and friendship?

I agree invading Iraq was wrong but Afghanistan made sense. We should have killed 30,000 Afghans in retaliation for Sept. 11 and then called it even. Eye for an eye justice is what Muslims respect. You kill 1 of us and we will kill 10 of your people, that would be a better solution. If I was dictator I would solve problems much faster.

[Ralkovia]

If Islam is a peaceful religion then why do Shiites and Sunnis kill each other at mosques in Iraq? Is that love and friendship?

I agree invading Iraq was wrong but Afghanistan made sense. We should have killed 30,000 Afghans in retaliation for Sept. 11 and then called it even. Eye for an eye justice is what Muslims respect. You kill 1 of us and we will kill 10 of your people, that would be a better solution. If I was dictator I would solve problems much faster.

The Sunni and the Shiites hated each other for the same reason that Catholics and Protestants were murdering each other until just a few decades ago. Differences in ideologies.

We were going after Bin Laden, we needed boots on the ground to capture people who would have information on him. Muslim extremists don't think an eye for an eye is justice. You are an infidel, therefore killing you is as insignificant as killing a bug. However killing a Muslim is terrible and must be punished one hundred times over.

You can't argue with extremists. By their very nature, extremists reject logic and reasoning. Hence why "killing people who are responsible is logical, and killing all Muslims is extreme."

What we should have done was partially dismantle the Taliban from the air and then promise them that they could resume control of the nation if they handed Bin Laden over. They would also receive shiny new American weapons as well. Then pass rumor around that Bin Laden was gay/adulterer/heretic/blasphemer. We could have easily altered any of the videos he appeared in and showed it to the Taliban from another 'extremist muslim.' Simply put, rumors that Bin Laden was gay do a lot more damage to the credibility of Muslims. Bribe his family into saying he had a relationship with some person, etc.

If you were a dictator, you'd have destroyed the point of being an American. A democracy has moral and political legitimacy in the eyes of the World. It would make you no better than the Taliban. Also, I don't trust you to be a dictator. I should be the dictator

[Zaras]

I mean that the Muslims hate me and all other non-believers.

That is a fucking stupid opinion. How the fuck do you know all Muslims hate you and everybody who isn't Muslim? Dude, think for a fucking second here and stop generalising like a shithead.

If Islam is a peaceful religion then why do Shiites and Sunnis kill each other at mosques in Iraq? Is that love and friendship?

Why did Protestants and Catholics kill each other in the UK?

I agree invading Iraq was wrong but Afghanistan made sense.

No, it didn't. America just blundered into a fucking civil war that'd been going on since 1978. Better move, enter to capture and disarm the Taliban, back off and let the Northern Alliance handle the rest, and then leave.

We should have killed 30,000 Afghans in retaliation for Sept. 11 and then called it even.

If you'd pause from your bloodthirsty idiocy for a bloody second you'd realise the hijackers were fucking Saudi Arabians.

You kill 1 of us and we will kill 10 of your people, that would be a better solution.

How can you be posting on NSG when you committed suicide in 1945, Hitler?

[Greater Phenia]

I mean that the Muslims hate me and all other non-believers. They don't have to know people personally to hate them. They just say simply 'all infidels must die.'

This is an extreme generalization with no basis in fact. Very much like everything else you say in this thread.

Do you think Osama Bin Laden was a peaceful man? He was a man of peace but he was a 'good and devout Muslim.'

Using Osama bin Laden as an example of a good and devout Muslim is like using Adolf Hitler as an example of a good and devout Christian. Man, why do Christians hate the Jews and want to commit genocide, right?

We should have killed 30,000 Afghans in retaliation for Sept. 11 and then called it even. Eye for an eye justice is what Muslims respect. You kill 1 of us and we will kill 10 of your people, that would be a better solution. If I was dictator I would solve problems much faster.

So to sum up, you're fantasizing about being a dictator so you could commit genocide on people based on their religious orientation.

[Shadowlandistan]

The question is, will this woman govern as a secularist who happens to be muslim, or a muslim who happens to be Norweigan?

If the latter, that is VERY concerning.

[Zaras]

The question is, will this woman govern as a secularist who happens to be muslim, or a muslim who happens to be Norweigan?

If the latter, that is VERY concerning.

If you're concerned about a Norwegian Muslim, you're Islamophobic and paranoid enough to forget that MUSLIMS ARE NOT A HIVEMIND.

[Kvatchdom]

The question is, will this woman govern as a secularist who happens to be muslim, or a muslim who happens to be Norweigan?

If the latter, that is VERY concerning.

Finland has a Christian president. Should I feel concerned for not being a Christian as well? "Islamization" is bullcrap. I couldn't care less of people's religion, as long as I can agree with them.

[Kvatchdom]

She seems a bit young, and I'm not really sure what a culture minister's supposed to do, but good on her.

Culture/Sports minister runs around in football games and Opera shows.

[Choronzon]

The question is, will this woman govern as a secularist who happens to be muslim, or a muslim who happens to be Norweigan?

If the latter, that is VERY concerning.

I wasn't aware that cultural ministers did much governing. This sounds like all you got from the OP is A MUSLIM IS IN GOVERNMENT!!111! and are getting frightened accordingly.

[Ralkovia]

The question is, will this woman govern as a secularist who happens to be muslim, or a muslim who happens to be Norweigan?

If the latter, that is VERY concerning.

If you're concerned about a Norwegian Muslim, you're Islamophobic and paranoid enough to forget that MUSLIMS ARE NOT A HIVEMIND.

Not really. I'm not concerned with Muslims. The majority of wackos are concentrated in the Middle East, so I couldn't give a shit what they do, other than develop Nuclear bombs or stop selling Oil. I'm concerned with Islamism, which seeks to subvert and undermine. As we've seen in such wonderful examples as Iran and Afghanistan, Islamism replaces once some-what secular nations with brutal hardline regimes. He has every right to be concerned if the woman is going to use her position to push towards something that favors Muslims rather than all constituents. Like giving Muslims the best seats at whatever stupid games Norweigans play...like
"Ice Checker Champion Super Skating Snowball Football" or "Who Can Freeze To Death The Quickest" etc.

[Gauthier]

If you're concerned about a Norwegian Muslim, you're Islamophobic and paranoid enough to forget that MUSLIMS ARE NOT A HIVEMIND.

Not really. I'm not concerned with Muslims. The majority of wackos are concentrated in the Middle East, so I couldn't give a shit what they do, other than develop Nuclear bombs or stop selling Oil. I'm concerned with Islamism, which seeks to subvert and undermine. As we've seen in such wonderful examples as Iran and Afghanistan, Islamism replaces once some-what secular nations with brutal hardline regimes. He has every right to be concerned if the woman is going to use her position to push towards something that favors Muslims rather than all constituents. Like giving Muslims the best seats at whatever stupid games Norweigans play...like
"Ice Checker Champion Super Skating Snowball Football" or "Who Can Freeze To Death The Quickest" etc.

Yes, people forget Iran under the Shah was such a human rights paradise.

[Kvatchdom]

If you're concerned about a Norwegian Muslim, you're Islamophobic and paranoid enough to forget that MUSLIMS ARE NOT A HIVEMIND.

Not really. I'm not concerned with Muslims. The majority of wackos are concentrated in the Middle East, so I couldn't give a shit what they do, other than develop Nuclear bombs or stop selling Oil. I'm concerned with Islamism, which seeks to subvert and undermine. As we've seen in such wonderful examples as Iran and Afghanistan, Islamism replaces once some-what secular nations with brutal hardline regimes. He has every right to be concerned if the woman is going to use her position to push towards something that favors Muslims rather than all constituents. Like giving Muslims the best seats at whatever stupid games Norweigans play...like
"Ice Checker Champion Super Skating Snowball Football" or "Who Can Freeze To Death The Quickest" etc.

I'm quite sure this woman won't discriminate Christians in Norway any more than Muslims are discriminated.

[Kvatchdom]

Not really. I'm not concerned with Muslims. The majority of wackos are concentrated in the Middle East, so I couldn't give a shit what they do, other than develop Nuclear bombs or stop selling Oil. I'm concerned with Islamism, which seeks to subvert and undermine. As we've seen in such wonderful examples as Iran and Afghanistan, Islamism replaces once some-what secular nations with brutal hardline regimes. He has every right to be concerned if the woman is going to use her position to push towards something that favors Muslims rather than all constituents. Like giving Muslims the best seats at whatever stupid games Norweigans play...like
"Ice Checker Champion Super Skating Snowball Football" or "Who Can Freeze To Death The Quickest" etc.

Yes, people forget Iran under the Shah was such a human rights paradise.

Does that mean every Muslim out there is a Fundamentalist piece of sh*t? The reason they emigrate is because they don't want that.

[Zaras]

As we've seen in such wonderful examples as Iran and Afghanistan

Afghanistan under the Taliban, yes.

Iran... it's harder. Iran has elections and a good situation on women's rights and women going to universities compared to its shithole neighbours. That's probably more because of the Iran-Iraq war though. If it was 100% Islamist, would it have allowed Khatami to win two elections, or even allow elections at all?

[Baltenstein]

As we've seen in such wonderful examples as Iran and Afghanistan

Afghanistan under the Taliban, yes.

Iran... it's harder. Iran has elections and a good situation on women's rights and women going to universities compared to its shithole neighbours. That's probably more because of the Iran-Iraq war though. If it was 100% Islamist, would it have allowed Khatami to win two elections, or even allow elections at all?

Iran's elections are heavily manipulated (There's even speculation that the results of the last national election were a heavy-handed fake ) and it's human right record, both on the theoretical and on the actual level, is utterly crappy. The fact that some of it's neighbour countries, including those that are allied with the US, are even worse, doesn't negate that.

[Gauthier]

Afghanistan under the Taliban, yes.

Iran... it's harder. Iran has elections and a good situation on women's rights and women going to universities compared to its shithole neighbours. That's probably more because of the Iran-Iraq war though. If it was 100% Islamist, would it have allowed Khatami to win two elections, or even allow elections at all?

Iran's elections are heavily manipulated (There's even speculation that the results of the last national election were a heavy-handed fake ) and it's human right record, both on the theoretical and on the actual level, is utterly crappy. The fact that some of it's neighbour countries, including those that are allied with the US, are even worse, doesn't negate that.

Except when Iran's shiny record is emphasized while those of said neighbors are downplayed or outright imagined away.

[Zaras]

Afghanistan under the Taliban, yes.

Iran... it's harder. Iran has elections and a good situation on women's rights and women going to universities compared to its shithole neighbours. That's probably more because of the Iran-Iraq war though. If it was 100% Islamist, would it have allowed Khatami to win two elections, or even allow elections at all?

Iran's elections are heavily manipulated (There's even speculation that the results of the last national election were a heavy-handed fake ) and it's human right record, both on the theoretical and on the actual level, is utterly crappy. The fact that some of it's neighbour countries, including those that are allied with the US, are even worse, doesn't negate that.

No, but it does make Iran not a completely Islamist state.

If it were, its human rights would be even worse, and Jews and Zoroastrians wouldn't receive a special protection in the Constitution.

[Sulamalik]

Iran's elections are heavily manipulated (There's even speculation that the results of the last national election were a heavy-handed fake ) and it's human right record, both on the theoretical and on the actual level, is utterly crappy. The fact that some of it's neighbour countries, including those that are allied with the US, are even worse, doesn't negate that.

No, but it does make Iran not a completely Islamist state.

If it were, its human rights would be even worse, and Jews and Zoroastrians wouldn't receive a special protection in the Constitution.

Islamism refers to a very broad collection of political ideas, ranging from the implementation of religious law to Anti-imperialism to Ummah Federalism. The fact that minorities exist within Iran doesn't negate the fact that Iran is still under an Islamist regime. The government is a twelver theocracy, with the supreme leader being the Ayatollah, some minority rights in their constitution(to say nothing of actual enforcement of these rights) doesn't change that.