Monkeys get vaccinated, then get autism

[Neo topia]

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/107993.php

I was looking around here and it seems like no one believes that vaccines cause autism, so what do you all say to this? Medicalnewstoday isn't an alternative medicine site (take a quick look around) and the sturdy was conducted by the University of Pittsburgh and endorsed by by the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The article mentions that

"Safety studies of medicines are typically conducted in monkeys prior to use in humans, yet such basic research on the current childhood vaccination regimen has never before been done."

Why is this? The whole thing seems very suspicious to me...if this can happen to monkeys, then why not humans and are they covering something up by not doing the tests regular drugs/medicine undergoes.

[Choronzon]

God I hope you stay.

[United State of America]

Humans are autismal as fuck regardless. I think a more important question is if humans would become double autistic or something.

People who think I'm being serious are twits.

[Ostroeuropa]

Cite peer reviewed papers or not at all.
Scientific and medical news outlets are prone to sensationalism.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=vac ... CBgQgQMwAA

[The Corparation]

Cite peer reviewed papers or not at all.
Scientific and medical news outlets are prone to sensationalism.

This ^ and even if they do cause autism what's worse? Some autistic kids or an epidemic of an easily preventable disease caused by people freaking out over vaccines.

[Neutraligon]

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/107993.php

I was looking around here and it seems like no one believes that vaccines cause autism, so what do you all say to this? Medicalnewstoday isn't an alternative medicine site (take a quick look around) and the sturdy was conducted by the University of Pittsburgh and endorsed by by the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The article mentions that

"Safety studies of medicines are typically conducted in monkeys prior to use in humans, yet such basic research on the current childhood vaccination regimen has never before been done."

Why is this? The whole thing seems very suspicious to me...if this can happen to monkeys, then why not humans and are they covering something up by not doing the tests regular drugs/medicine undergoes.

I would need to see the study itself before making an opinion. Also, I would be very surprised if there really was no testing done on vaccines before they are actually used.

[Choronzon]

Cite peer reviewed papers or not at all.
Scientific and medical news outlets are prone to sensationalism.

This ^ and even if they do cause autism what's worse? Some autistic kids or an epidemic of an easily preventable disease caused by people freaking out over vaccines.

If it caused autism wouldn't it be way more prevalent?

[Avenio]

Vaccines cause 'autism-like behaviour' in monkeys? How on Earth do you quantify behaviour as 'autism-like' in monkeys? Judging from the article, it doesn't sound like a very sound study at all.

[Choronzon]

How come no one has pointed out that humans and monkeys having many clear differences might be a factor? Things like AIDS and other illnesses work differently on humans and monkeys, so why should we assume that a vaccine made for a human would work on a monkey?

Also, can monkeys really get autism?

[Ostroeuropa]

Vaccines cause 'autism-like behaviour' in monkeys? How on Earth do you quantify behaviour as 'autism-like' in monkeys? Judging from the article, it doesn't sound like a very sound study at all.

It'd be fairly simple to test for. There are a number of tells that autistic children give in early development stages if you look out for them.
I'm unsure if these would manifest the same in Monkeys however.
Includes limpness when picked up to hug, agitation with loud noises bordering on temper tantrums, and a few others.
They are by no means definitive, but it's something of a red flag.

[Avenio]

EDIT: Weird. Doublepost.

[Xsyne]

Quality research here, folks.

[The Batorys]

I don't really care if vaccines cause autism. I'd rather a kid be autistic than dying.

[Trotskylvania]

Even if vaccines did cause autism (they don't), the relative incidence of it compared to the enormous number of lives saved by universal vaccination would greatly outweigh such a side effect. Herd immunity gaiz, it's important.

[Ostroeuropa]

Even if vaccines did cause autism (they don't), the relative incidence of it compared to the enormous number of lives saved by universal vaccination would greatly outweigh such a side effect. Herd immunity gaiz, it's important.

This.
Plus, if we renew efforts and start wiping out diseases again like we did with smallpox, the cost of vaccinations causing autism (Which they don't, but for the sake of argument.) wouldn't be a grim price we pay knowing we're getting the better deal with 1/150 autsitic kids than 1/100 dead ones, it's be "So for a few generations incidents increase, and then forever everything is ok.

(Incidentally, whenever the religious right tell people not to make vaccinations my urge to straight up declare them as a threat to humanity and herd them into camps is very hard to resist. If you've ever argued along these lines, I'd like to point out to you that we ALMOST got rid of polio as a disease, and then...islamic clerics in the middle east/central asia decided it was a western plot to sterilize all the non-whites. BAM. polio is back. If you had to think of how to cause the most amount of suffering with the fewest words, you couldn't get much further than "These vaccinations are a conspiracy.")

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Quality research here, folks.

Andrew bloody Wakefield raises his ugly head once more....good find Xsyne!

[DesAnges]

Humans are autismal as fuck regardless. I think a more important question is if humans would become double autistic or something.

People who think I'm being serious are twits.

My dad, as a teacher, has worked with a lot of autistic and other kids with similar conditions. He reckons everyone is on the autistic spectrum to one level or another, it's all a matter of scale.

Of course, he has no evidence to back this up, but it's an interesting thought nonetheless.

Quality research here, folks.

I keep mistaking your flag - and by extension you - for AuSable. Then I get confused by your talking sense.

[The Andrewtopian Republic]

Didn't they discover a while back that autism was caused by a genetic defect? I don't think it's possible for vaccinations to alter a person's genetic makeup.

If this is the case though (well actually either way), I'd be curious to see what influences the severity of the autism. Autistic people do range from a mild social disability to not being able talk or move, however.

[Unchecked Expansion]

So, nothing new on this front in four years?
It's almost as if that study was poorly worked biased nonsense.

Oh look, it was.

[Hockenberg]

Even if vaccines did cause autism (they don't), the relative incidence of it compared to the enormous number of lives saved by universal vaccination would greatly outweigh such a side effect. Herd immunity gaiz, it's important.

This.

[Ad Nihilo]

Don't we have like a shortage of science people? I reckon we could probably do with more autism

[Free Soviets]

Even if vaccines did cause autism (they don't), the relative incidence of it compared to the enormous number of lives saved by universal vaccination would greatly outweigh such a side effect. Herd immunity gaiz, it's important.

if polio was good enough for FDR, polio is good enough for you.

[Phocidaea]

a). Monkeys can get autism? How can people tell? Do we know all about monkey language and social structure?

b). Not this bullshit again. Your child will not get "infected" with autism by getting a potentially lifesaving vaccine.

Getting autism isn't a freakin' pandemic. It's basically just one of the more-benign wedges of the "ambiguous-origin defect roulette" wheel. Your kid is very socially awkward and doesn't do well with language? Consider yourself freakin' lucky. They could have been born without legs or get some nasty lung defect or something. Of course this is all assuming the kid is "normal" autism. If you got HFA or Asperger's, then double that luckiness factor.

If the kid is both autistic and congenitally disabled, then sorry. I'm assuming you're in a microscopic minority, of course.

[Farnhamia]

I hate threads like this where the starter just dumps an OP and runs off.

[Trotskylvania]

Even if vaccines did cause autism (they don't), the relative incidence of it compared to the enormous number of lives saved by universal vaccination would greatly outweigh such a side effect. Herd immunity gaiz, it's important.

if polio was good enough for FDR, polio is good enough for you.

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