New Chinese Carrier, any thoughts?

[Khodoristan]

Which, in 2045, will be 50 years behind the U.S.

All wishful thinking on your part. Engineers are the ones who will develop many of the new military items of the future. Read the following. Study by Duke University.

The study also states that in 2011, while roughly 70,000 engineers graduated in the US, 6,00,000 graduated in China and 3,50,000 in India.

The quantity of scientists =/= quality of advances. Israel, with a population of just under 8 million, has created some of the worlds most advanced technology. Microprocessors, the Google search algorithm, USB drives, the Green Pine radar system, the discovery of quarks and anti-quarks, and numerous other achievements in technology and science.

[Blazedtown]

Which, in 2045, will be 50 years behind the U.S.

you think so? in 1980 a honda civic was a cheap piece of crap, compared to the rest of the market.
in 1990 hyundia was a cheap peace of crap compared to the rest of the market.

How is that working out for american auto industry these days?

Those aren't Chinese cars. Chinese cars are cheap copies of cheap pieces of shit.

[Khodoristan]

Which, in 2045, will be 50 years behind the U.S.

you think so? in 1980 a honda civic was a cheap piece of crap, compared to the rest of the market.
in 1990 hyundia was a cheap peace of crap compared to the rest of the market.

How is that working out for american auto industry these days?

I dont know, maybe you should ask GM, China's largest foreign car supplier.

[Ethel mermania]

you think so? in 1980 a honda civic was a cheap piece of crap, compared to the rest of the market.
in 1990 hyundia was a cheap peace of crap compared to the rest of the market.

How is that working out for american auto industry these days?

Those aren't Chinese cars. Chinese cars are cheap copies of cheap pieces of shit.

oh really?

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/is-gm-becoming-china-motors/


"Akerson goes on to say, “We’re involved in vehicle manufacturing, sales, distribution, engineering design” and other auto-related businesses. He also said GM operates 11 assembly plants and four power train plants in eight cities in China."

you may want to look at

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/04/gm-general-motors-china-cadillac-big-plans/1#.UGJkqK6Zgfk

[Ethel mermania]

you think so? in 1980 a honda civic was a cheap piece of crap, compared to the rest of the market.
in 1990 hyundia was a cheap peace of crap compared to the rest of the market.

How is that working out for american auto industry these days?

I dont know, maybe you should ask GM, China's largest foreign car supplier.

and they do substantial manufacturing, engineering, and design there, which is my point.

[Khodoristan]

I dont know, maybe you should ask GM, China's largest foreign car supplier.

and they do substantial manufacturing, engineering, and design there, which is my point.

Actually, they do most of it here, or in Canada. Which is why China upped their auto import tariff to 25% on all foreign motors. And it isn't
only GM, its Mercedes-Benz, Toyota, etc.

[San-Silvacian]

Those aren't Chinese cars. Chinese cars are cheap copies of cheap pieces of shit.

oh really?

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/is-gm-becoming-china-motors/


"Akerson goes on to say, “We’re involved in vehicle manufacturing, sales, distribution, engineering design” and other auto-related businesses. He also said GM operates 11 assembly plants and four power train plants in eight cities in China."

you may want to look at

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/04/gm-general-motors-china-cadillac-big-plans/1#.UGJkqK6Zgfk

American cars are shit tbh

[Khodoristan]

oh really?

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/is-gm-becoming-china-motors/


"Akerson goes on to say, “We’re involved in vehicle manufacturing, sales, distribution, engineering design” and other auto-related businesses. He also said GM operates 11 assembly plants and four power train plants in eight cities in China."

you may want to look at

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/04/gm-general-motors-china-cadillac-big-plans/1#.UGJkqK6Zgfk

American cars are shit tbh

>Opinion.
>Again, better than any car from the PRC.

[The Cookish States]

American cars are shit tbh

>Opinion.
>Again, better than any car from the PRC.

People love downing the U.S's ingenuity, I mean, I swear it's like they do it just to look hip. When are they going to learn that we're the baddest kid on the block?

[SaintB]

Are we sure that this one isn't made out of concrete too?

[Norstal]

Japan has Evangelions, mechas, and the Britannian navy on their side. So.

I see you've done you research on anime, given that you don't group Evangelions as "mechas".

That's because they're not if you watched the ending.

[Norstal]

Which, in 2045, will be 50 years behind the U.S.

All wishful thinking on your part. Engineers are the ones who will develop many of the new military items of the future. Read the following. Study by Duke University.

The study also states that in 2011, while roughly 70,000 engineers graduated in the US, 6,00,000 graduated in China and 3,50,000 in India.

So? More doesn't mean better.

[Forsher]

Correction: Old Soviet carrier, bought by the Chinese for more than it's worth and refitted. Note that this is the only aircraft carrier they have.

It's not some turning point in China's military potential. Their only military force worth discussion is the army. Their AF and Navy are still pitiful. A single ship that can launch planes does not remove this status from either.

I think that "more than its worth" says something about why they bought it... they're interested in having one. Consider this the national equivalent of buying an iPad or any other (tangible) Apple product.

[Nazis in Space]

Correction: Old Soviet carrier, bought by the Chinese for more than it's worth and refitted. Note that this is the only aircraft carrier they have.

It's not some turning point in China's military potential. Their only military force worth discussion is the army. Their AF and Navy are still pitiful. A single ship that can launch planes does not remove this status from either.

I think that "more than its worth" says something about why they bought it... they're interested in having one. Consider this the national equivalent of buying an iPad or any other (tangible) Apple product.

Nonsense.

They bought it because they need a base model from which to

• Develop doctrines via practical experience
• Learn how to run one in the first place
• Run it for a few years, make huge lists of problems that need to be solved, and solve them with their first generation of indigenous carriers

Instead of throwing billions into building a wholly indigenous carrier from scratch, which'll inevitably have a million issues simply on account of lacking experience, they're buying an old one for cheap, have their first learning experiences with that one, and can thus make their first domestically produced carrier be actually useful, rather than experimental. It's the cheap, quick, and all-around efficient way to do it.

In short, China is doing it right.

[Forsher]

I think that "more than its worth" says something about why they bought it... they're interested in having one. Consider this the national equivalent of buying an iPad or any other (tangible) Apple product.

Nonsense.

They bought it because they need a base model from which to

• Develop doctrines via practical experience
• Learn how to run one in the first place
• Run it for a few years, make huge lists of problems that need to be solved, and solve them with their first generation of indigenous carriers

Instead of throwing billions into building a wholly indigenous carrier from scratch, which'll inevitably have a million issues simply on account of lacking experience, they're buying an old one for cheap, have their first learning experiences with that one, and can thus make their first domestically produced carrier be actually useful, rather than experimental. It's the cheap, quick, and all-around efficient way to do it.

In short, China is doing it right.

See, it's posts like this that give you cause to make the all caps posts from earlier. (And, by the way, our ideas aren't mutually exclusive.)*

*They're interested in having one doesn't say much at all. And in terms of the use of air craft carriers purchasing one is looking a lot like a decision involving an Apple product.

[Costa Alegria]

Those aren't Chinese cars. Chinese cars are cheap copies of cheap pieces of shit.

Also, why car do you drive by the way?

[Anacasppia]

...
The carrier in question is an old, second hand carrier from Russia.
Also, considering the size of China's borders, coasts, and military, a carrier certainly isn't too much.

Also, it isn't adding much in practical terms to China's overall military firepower. There are a bunch of other things that one would want to fear about more than the carrier purchase.

[Anacasppia]

THERE ARE OVER ONE BILLION CHINESE ON EARTH, AND MORE IN CHINA.

THAT'S TEN TIMES THE POPULATION OF AMERICA.

EUROPE IS FILLED WITH OLD PEOPLE.

IF WE DON'T ACT NOW, THE YELLOW PERIL WILL FLOOD THE EARTH AND SUBJUGATE ALL IN ITS WAYS.

FIRST CAME CHINESE FOOD. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUCE CHINESE FOOD IS TASTY.

THEN CAME CHINESE LABOUR. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUSE CHINESE LABOUR IS CHEAP.

THEN CAME CHINESE CARRIERS, AND THERE WAS NO-ONE LEFT TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THEIR MOUTHS WERE FULL OF CHINESE FOOD.

Allcaps needed to warn the world about the terrible peril that has befallen it as the yellow peril breaks free of its shackles and once more threatens our glorious white civilisation.

This is so funny I vomited, not even joking.

WHAT ABOUT INDIA THEY"RE ACTUALLY GONNA OVERTAKE CHINA IN THE FUTURE.

[Tahar Joblis]

I think it has more to do with not being shown up by India - which has an old modified British aircraft carrier, will be receiving a Kiev-class carrier from Russia shortly and is expecting to have built one all on its own within the next few years. Also, Japan has a number of "helicopter destroyers," which really look a lot like light aircraft carriers, and they feel like they need to keep up with that.

The US is also decommissioning the Enterprise this year, and has some decommissioned conventional carriers lying around; it's entirely possible that somewhere in the Chinese military planning apparatus, they're concerned that the US might decide to start disposing of these by selling them off, what with the budget crunch.

[Ethel mermania]

>Opinion.
>Again, better than any car from the PRC.

People love downing the U.S's ingenuity, I mean, I swear it's like they do it just to look hip. When are they going to learn that we're the baddest kid on the block?

Probably when we default on all our debt to them.

[Laerod]

WHAT ABOUT INDIA THEY"RE ACTUALLY GONNA OVERTAKE CHINA IN THE FUTURE.

Their Russian carrier is set to be delivered in December.

[Azakhia]

It puts China in par India, which has 2 small carriers.

India has the INS Virat, which can carry up to 30 aircraft, including Harriers and helos. The INS Vikramaditya, a modified Kiev carrier, carries 16 Mig-29's, which can be some impressive firepower for that region.

If China does a complete refit and according to their plans, the Liaoning will carry up to 30 Shenyang J-15's, or Chinese built Sukhoi Su-33. That alone would be some impressive firepower. Give them a few years to learn carrier operations, and learn how to build a carrier, and they can be a credible threat in the south Asian theater.

[Risottia]

I can see this being a large problem for Eastern Asia. China is the last nation that should have a carrier, especially a Kuznetsov-class. Especially with the Kuril Islands dispute going on right now.

The Kuril Islands is no affair of the Chinese. It's Russian stuff and it's going to stay so - expecially since China cannot make a carrier of its own.

Also, I cannot see a problem with PRC having carriers. They already got nukes and orbital capacity.

[Daistallia 2104]

Which, in 2045, will be 50 years behind the U.S.

All wishful thinking on your part. Engineers are the ones who will develop many of the new military items of the future. Read the following. Study by Duke University.

The study also states that in 2011, while roughly 70,000 engineers graduated in the US, 6,00,000 graduated in China and 3,50,000 in India.

If you have a source, post it, otherwise you're plagurising. If you don't, don't bother posting it at all. As it is, I'm assuming this statistic, as well as the stuff you posted earlier, are products of your imagination.

[Ifreann]

Obviously this spells doom for the West. We should surrender now, and hope that our Oriental Overlords will have mercy.