New Chinese Carrier, any thoughts?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its interesting but i think the russians and the ukrainians just found a way to get some easy cash and pawn the thing off, i dont think it would really be that effective for now, maybe in the future when they have it fully outfitted and crewed.

But i hear it is mainly being used as a training hub for when china plans to build its own carriers so their people have some experience on how to run and maintain a carrier but kudos for china just for getting one out there.

[Blazedtown]

Those aren't Chinese cars. Chinese cars are cheap copies of cheap pieces of shit.

Also, why car do you drive by the way?

1993 Oldsmobile 88 Royale. Its a Buick LeSaber with a different grill.

[The UK in Exile]

I think that "more than its worth" says something about why they bought it... they're interested in having one. Consider this the national equivalent of buying an iPad or any other (tangible) Apple product.

Nonsense.

They bought it because they need a base model from which to

• Develop doctrines via practical experience
• Learn how to run one in the first place
• Run it for a few years, make huge lists of problems that need to be solved, and solve them with their first generation of indigenous carriers

Instead of throwing billions into building a wholly indigenous carrier from scratch, which'll inevitably have a million issues simply on account of lacking experience, they're buying an old one for cheap, have their first learning experiences with that one, and can thus make their first domestically produced carrier be actually useful, rather than experimental. It's the cheap, quick, and all-around efficient way to do it.

In short, China is doing it right.

QFT.

everyone who is measuring chinese military capacity against the US really needs to stop and start measuring it against its regional neighbors.

I imagine South Korea, thailand, vietnam, japan and taiwan don't draw much comfort from american military superiority.

[Dyakovo]

Also, why car do you drive by the way?

1993 Oldsmobile 88 Royale. Its a Buick LeSaber with a different grill.

Not sure how the car argument applies anyways... There's some differences between making a car and making a nuclear carrier...

[Wollstria]

The lights in the carrier were too bright, so the captain decided to dim sum.

[The Monus Federation]

That scrap heap is just gonna splash down to the bottom of the drink within hours of a war being launched. No need to worry about the carrier.

[Laerod]

Nonsense.

They bought it because they need a base model from which to

• Develop doctrines via practical experience
• Learn how to run one in the first place
• Run it for a few years, make huge lists of problems that need to be solved, and solve them with their first generation of indigenous carriers

Instead of throwing billions into building a wholly indigenous carrier from scratch, which'll inevitably have a million issues simply on account of lacking experience, they're buying an old one for cheap, have their first learning experiences with that one, and can thus make their first domestically produced carrier be actually useful, rather than experimental. It's the cheap, quick, and all-around efficient way to do it.

In short, China is doing it right.

QFT.

everyone who is measuring chinese military capacity against the US really needs to stop and start measuring it against its regional neighbors.

I imagine South Korea, thailand, vietnam, japan and taiwan don't draw much comfort from american military superiority.

Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea most certainly do.

[The UK in Exile]

QFT.

everyone who is measuring chinese military capacity against the US really needs to stop and start measuring it against its regional neighbors.

I imagine South Korea, thailand, vietnam, japan and taiwan don't draw much comfort from american military superiority.

Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea most certainly do.

I sure that Japan is delighted that America is prepared to confront China militarily in order to protect Japan's sovereignity over the Senkaku islands.

just as soon as some in america tells them anyway.

[Laerod]

Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea most certainly do.

I sure that Japan is delighted that America is prepared to confront China militarily in order to protect Japan's sovereignity over the Senkaku islands.

just as soon as some in america tells them anyway.

The US is obligated to do so under the terms of the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security. And considering Obama's strategic reorientation towards the Pacific, we can be pretty sure that he knows.

[The UK in Exile]

I sure that Japan is delighted that America is prepared to confront China militarily in order to protect Japan's sovereignity over the Senkaku islands.

just as soon as some in america tells them anyway.

The US is obligated to do so under the terms of the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security. And considering Obama's strategic reorientation towards the Pacific, we can be pretty sure that he knows.

thats a rather liberal reading of its terms.

[Luxembourg]

I guarantee that both the US Navy and the Russian Navy could kick its ass.

Except neither of them will.

[Bennettricia]

I didn't know that rusty bucket can float, let alone be considered a naval machine of war.

[Ethel mermania]

1993 Oldsmobile 88 Royale. Its a Buick LeSaber with a different grill.

Not sure how the car argument applies anyways... There's some differences between making a car and making a nuclear carrier...

Both are complex engineering and manufacturing endeavors.

And the history of car manufacturing shows how nations can catch up to "state of the art" in a much shorter timeframe, than it took to create "state of the art" in the first place.

My point is that this carieer today is useless, in 25 years this carrier is the first step in giving china the ability to build a fully operational carrier battle groups, that if not force project to the ameican shores, but certainly project chinese interests in the western pacifc, and indian oceans.

[Vetalia]

My point is that this carieer today is useless, in 25 years this carrier is the first step in giving china the ability to build a fully operational carrier battle groups, that if not force project to the ameican shores, but certainly project chinese interests in the western pacifc, and indian oceans.

Especially with India engaging in its own buildup as well as extant pressure from the various nations surrounding it.

[Minnysota]

China likely won't muscle the Indians around in the Indian Ocean. The Indian Navy is further along with their own carrier aspirations.

[Costa Alegria]

1993 Oldsmobile 88 Royale. Its a Buick LeSaber with a different grill.

I feel sorry for you.

[Svetar]

Chinese carrier? Destroy it.

[Khodoristan]

Those aren't Chinese cars. Chinese cars are cheap copies of cheap pieces of shit.

Also, why car do you drive by the way?

I drive a 2005 Corvette, and most certainly not this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzfPagVhY8

Sorry, it's in French...still, it shows how China stresses safety when designing automobiles

[Eldritch Love]

the point of the carrier is that it allows them to train on a scale the couldn't previously.

I am sure there are ton's of military contractors creaming their pants at the idea that china will either be building a new series of larger class vessels, or will be buying and refitting a new series of larger vessels.

If i was chinese i would be worried about corruption, who knows they might build a class of sub's with screen doors.

[PapaJacky]

the point of the carrier is that it allows them to train on a scale the couldn't previously.

I am sure there are ton's of military contractors creaming their pants at the idea that china will either be building a new series of larger class vessels, or will be buying and refitting a new series of larger vessels.

If i was chinese i would be worried about corruption, who knows they might build a class of sub's with screen doors.

Most Chinese actually do worry about corruption, many regard public officials, usually the more local ones, in a negative light, especially online.

But on topic, people have already shared my thoughts on this, and warhawks saying that "this matters a lot" is exaggerating the veracity of the PLAN at the moment. China's still focused on self-defense, their blue-water navy isn't huge, and they're more concern, as a nation, over economics than warfare. fanboys ahoof, but alas, no cake for the hungry.

[Blazedtown]

1993 Oldsmobile 88 Royale. Its a Buick LeSaber with a different grill.

I feel sorry for you.

Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the car flies that I've gotten addicted to marijuana.

[San-Silvacian]

Chinese carrier? Destroy it.

Built in the 1980s.

Bought from Russia in 1998.

Just finally refurbished in 2012.

I think the Chinese will do that themselves.

[Costa Alegria]

Sorry, it's in French...still, it shows how China stresses safety when designing automobiles.

And you're showing me a car designed and built six years ago? It would be like me saying all American cars are crap and then showing you the crash test results of a 2005 Ford F-150, which crumples up just as badly as that Chinese car.

[Arumdaum]

I'm pretty sure it's just for nationalistic pride.

[PapaJacky]

I'm pretty sure it's just for nationalistic pride.

Not when you consider the fact that they rolled out another stealth fighter prototype along with their finally refurbished carrier in the same month.