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New Chinese Carrier, any thoughts?

Postby Anarchic Wasteland America » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:28 pm

I can see this being a large problem for Eastern Asia. China is the last nation that should have a carrier, especially a Kuznetsov-class. Especially with the Kuril Islands dispute going on right now.

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Postby Ralkovia » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:30 pm

The Kuznetsov is antiquated trash. Hell, the South Koreans possess the ability to sink it. China will fail on the Oceans.
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Postby Western Borderlands » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:37 pm

Ralkovia wrote:The Kuznetsov is antiquated trash. Hell, the South Koreans possess the ability to sink it. China will fail on the Oceans.

This and plus why is it such a big deal? china's technology can't back up its army...
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Ralkovia wrote:The Kuznetsov is antiquated trash. Hell, the South Koreans possess the ability to sink it. China will fail on the Oceans.

This and plus why is it such a big deal? china's technology can't back up its army...

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:41 pm

Powerful nation owns aircraft carrier. You don't say.
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Postby Mayane » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:43 pm

Anarchic Wasteland America wrote:I can see this being a large problem for Eastern Asia. China is the last nation that should have a carrier, especially a Kuznetsov-class. Especially with the Kuril Islands dispute going on right now.


I am reading this in a sarcastic voice, am I wrong?

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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:43 pm

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Ralkovia wrote:The Kuznetsov is antiquated trash. Hell, the South Koreans possess the ability to sink it. China will fail on the Oceans.

This and plus why is it such a big deal? china's technology can't back up its army...

It's a big deal because it's a buttress for Chinese national pride, in the same way that the Americans getting to the moon was. Practically speaking, the carrier is irrelevant. They won't be using it - ever, probably. The Chinese care because they want to be powerful, the West cares because most of us have decided China will eat our babies, countries in the area care because we'll probably see a ramping-up of Chinese belligerence... and that's about it.
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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:44 pm

I guarantee that both the US Navy and the Russian Navy could kick its ass.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:48 pm

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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:48 pm

Anarchic Wasteland America wrote:I can see this being a large problem for Eastern Asia. China is the last nation that should have a carrier, especially a Kuznetsov-class. Especially with the Kuril Islands dispute going on right now.


A kuznetsov?

You mean those aircraft carriers aren't true blue water aircraft carriers and carry like, 15 planes?

Yeah. Not really.
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:49 pm

Ralkovia wrote:China's real power is economic. That's pretty much it.


And with the way their economy is going right now even that's getting pretty shaky...
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Postby The Corparation » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:49 pm

So they fixed a rubbish Carrier that Russia threw away? Big deal they still lack the equipment and people to run it. They've got jackshit in the way of carrier aircraft and I guarantee you that no one in their navy has the know-how to run them. They've got an old hulk running. But they lack the ability to effectively use it. They're still years away from having a practical carrier group. As of now all it is is a penis enlargement pill for diplomacy. Its worrying yes, but not something to be concerned about too much.
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Postby Dashret » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:49 pm

Russia's historic military policy has been to never scrap, sell, or otherwise get rid of anything that could possibly be useful unless. What does that tell you about these carriers?

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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:50 pm

Anarchic Wasteland America wrote:I can see this being a large problem for Eastern Asia. China is the last nation that should have a carrier, especially a Kuznetsov-class. Especially with the Kuril Islands dispute going on right now.


A Kuznetsov Class carries like 15 fixed wing aircraft and they have one of them.

A Nimitz carries 60-70 and we have 10.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:52 pm

Anarchic Wasteland America wrote:I can see this being a large problem for Eastern Asia. China is the last nation that should have a carrier, especially a Kuznetsov-class. Especially with the Kuril Islands dispute going on right now.

China's not involved afaik in the Kuril island's dispute, did you mean the other islands between Japan and China?
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THERE ARE OVER ONE BILLION CHINESE ON EARTH, AND MORE IN CHINA.

THAT'S TEN TIMES THE POPULATION OF AMERICA.

EUROPE IS FILLED WITH OLD PEOPLE.

IF WE DON'T ACT NOW, THE YELLOW PERIL WILL FLOOD THE EARTH AND SUBJUGATE ALL IN ITS WAYS.

FIRST CAME CHINESE FOOD. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUCE CHINESE FOOD IS TASTY.

THEN CAME CHINESE LABOUR. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUSE CHINESE LABOUR IS CHEAP.

THEN CAME CHINESE CARRIERS, AND THERE WAS NO-ONE LEFT TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THEIR MOUTHS WERE FULL OF CHINESE FOOD.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:53 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:THERE ARE OVER ONE BILLION CHINESE ON EARTH, AND MORE IN CHINA.

THAT'S TEN TIMES THE POPULATION OF AMERICA.

EUROPE IS FILLED WITH OLD PEOPLE.

IF WE DON'T ACT NOW, THE YELLOW PERIL WILL FLOOD THE EARTH AND SUBJUGATE ALL IN ITS WAYS.

FIRST CAME CHINESE FOOD. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUCE CHINESE FOOD IS TASTY.

THEN CAME CHINESE LABOUR. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUSE CHINESE LABOUR IS CHEAP.

THEN CAME CHINESE CARRIERS, AND THERE WAS NO-ONE LEFT TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THEIR MOUTHS WERE FULL OF CHINESE FOOD.

Allcaps needed to warn the world about the terrible peril that has befallen it as the yellow peril breaks free of its shackles and once more threatens our glorious white civilisation.


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Postby Phocidaea » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:06 pm

Correction: Old Soviet carrier, bought by the Chinese for more than it's worth and refitted. Note that this is the only aircraft carrier they have.

It's not some turning point in China's military potential. Their only military force worth discussion is the army. Their AF and Navy are still pitiful. A single ship that can launch planes does not remove this status from either.
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:07 pm

Carriers, big floating targets for missiles. Or, more probably railguns.

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My thoughts are of a huge ship carrying chinese food across the ocean.
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:09 pm

Phocidaea wrote:Correction: Old Soviet carrier, bought by the Chinese for more than it's worth and refitted. Note that this is the only aircraft carrier they have.

It's not some turning point in China's military potential. Their only military force worth discussion is the army. Their AF and Navy are still pitiful. A single ship that can launch planes does not remove this status from either.


Also, I think all of the advanced components that would go into a modern carrier would have to be manufactured outside of China to begin with.
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Postby Aquitayne » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:13 pm

>America has 11 aircraft carriers
>China has 1

Nope, not too worried.
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Postby Phocidaea » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:15 pm

Aquitayne wrote:>America has 11 aircraft carriers
>China has 1

Nope, not too worried.


And America's are larger, more powerful, and more advanced, and the aircraft on them are as well.

As I said, this changes nothing.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:16 pm

Phocidaea wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:>America has 11 aircraft carriers
>China has 1

Nope, not too worried.

And America's are larger, more powerful, and more advanced, and the aircraft on them are as well.

As I said, this changes nothing.

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