Should the U.S Support Netanyahu?

[Rio Cana]

If you really want to know what is happening watch this. It seems the used car salesmen in the govt. are are busy trying to pass off a junker has a new auto to a gullible public. And some are taking it hook line and sinker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZhqyTyIkOs

[Laerod]

Isreal is one of the only stable nations in the region. Iran has loonatic rulers. They can't have any nuclear arms.

There is no reason to believe that the Iranian state is not run by rational self interested actors.

Yeah, there are.

[Ralkovia]

Which should be viewed as a good thing. Right now Israel has an arsenal, and they are the only ones in the Middle East. Another country to counter their power will make the region more stable, not less.

Iran's not a stabilizer. Israel's ability to bully others in the region won't somehow cancel out Iran's nuclear-supported bullying.

Israel is a nation of 7 million. Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordan together out number the nation of Israel at about 108 to 7. Israel isn't bullying anyone. It retaliates when someone attacks it. Jordan has figured that out, hence why Israel doesn't attack it. Syria is murdering its own people by the thousands. Egypt can barely get its own shit together. And Hezbollah don't have the balls to attack Israel without Syrian help.

[Choronzon]

There is no reason to believe that the Iranian state is not run by rational self interested actors.

Yeah, there are.

Not at all the same as starting a nuclear war.

[Divair]

There is no reason to believe that the Iranian state is not run by rational self interested actors.

Yeah, there are.

Obviously these protesters represent the entire government

[Laerod]

If you really know what is happening watch this. It seems the used car salesmen in the govt. are are busy trying to pass off a junker has a new auto to a gullible public. And some are taking it hook line and sinker. :palm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZhqyTyIkOs

Alex Jones channel? The irony of you calling the government "used car salesmen" while linking to a snake oil merchant is delicious.

[Laerod]

Yeah, there are.

Not at all the same as starting a nuclear war.

Doesn't have to be.

Yeah, there are.

Obviously these protesters represent the entire government :roll:

They do. Consider what happens to protests in Iran that don't have government approval.

[Sulamalik]

There is no reason to believe that the Iranian state is not run by rational self interested actors.

Yeah, there are.

Within Iran
Iran's Foreign Ministry expressed regret over the attack, calling it "unacceptable" and said that it happened "despite the efforts made by the Iranian Law Enforcement Police and reinforcement of the embassy guards." Iranian police arrested 12 protesters in connection with the attack.[16]
Two Iranian opposition student groups, Tahkim Vahdat and Advar Tahkim, issued statements criticising the attack. Tahkim Vahdat said that those behind it were "not true representative of Iranian students, they were affiliated with the authorities in power."[17]
Iran's Deputy Police Chief Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Radan announced that police have started investigations into the details of the Tuesday protests in which angry self-driven protesters raided and occupied the British embassy and its garden in Northern Tehran.[16]
Iranian MP Parviz Sorouri a senior member of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee said that "the British government’s hasty decision to close down the Iranian Embassy in London has created a new situation for both sides. But the Iranian government will do its utmost to stand up for the rights of Iranian citizens living in Britain through the establishment of an interests section in London." [23]

[Euronion]

Yes, Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. The UN has already said repeatedly that Iran is bluffing when it says it is researching Nuclear Energy, they are enriching Uranium to make a bomb, that is clear. They have vowed to wipe Israel off of the map and it wouldn't be hard to "accidentally lose" a bomb and then have it appear in the hands of fanatics and radicals who will use the bomb on Israel or on Western countries with impunity for Iran. Governments in the Middle East are notoriously unstable and always have been (unless you count the reign of the Ottoman Empire) It is not unfeasible for a "Crimson Tide" scenario to take place where rebels take over a few missile silos and threaten the stability of the entire region. That being said, I would support a war against Iran, though not a war against the populace and not a war fought with ground troops. I suggest a war fought via full Naval Blockade and Air Superiority. Using Drones to take out Anti-Air defenses and Iranian Air Bases, we can pave the way for US and coalition aircraft to secure Iranian air space. We would then begin dropping Black Ops units into Iranian Nuclear Facilities to destroy all data and research physically, seize enriched Uranium and plant C-4 All over the facility to destroy it once they left. There would be minimal US casualties, those who died on the Iranian side would be Iranian military officers and Nuclear Scientists. We would rely on Israelis for any ground support needed. We would enforce a no-fly zone and basically starve them out.

[Sulamalik]

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When has Iran vowed to wipe Israel off the map?

[Divair]

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When has Iran vowed to wipe Israel off the map?

He thinks Ahmandinejad has power, I suspect.

[Laerod]

Yeah, there are.

Within Iran
Iran's Foreign Ministry expressed regret over the attack, calling it "unacceptable" and said that it happened "despite the efforts made by the Iranian Law Enforcement Police and reinforcement of the embassy guards." Iranian police arrested 12 protesters in connection with the attack.[16]
Two Iranian opposition student groups, Tahkim Vahdat and Advar Tahkim, issued statements criticising the attack. Tahkim Vahdat said that those behind it were "not true representative of Iranian students, they were affiliated with the authorities in power."[17]
Iran's Deputy Police Chief Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Radan announced that police have started investigations into the details of the Tuesday protests in which angry self-driven protesters raided and occupied the British embassy and its garden in Northern Tehran.[16]
Iranian MP Parviz Sorouri a senior member of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee said that "the British government’s hasty decision to close down the Iranian Embassy in London has created a new situation for both sides. But the Iranian government will do its utmost to stand up for the rights of Iranian citizens living in Britain through the establishment of an interests section in London." [23]

The result of Iran "making efforts" is not 12 protesters getting arrested. These had government approval and were meant as a "fuck you" to the British that ended up backfiring and embarassing the Iranian government instead.

[Great Nepal]

Why do you think Iran should not have nuclear weapons?

While I don't subscribe to the view of Iran as an 'insane, apocalyptic state that would automatically use nuclear weapons if it gets them,' I feel them obtaining them would be very bad for the region overall. If Iran gets them, Saudi Arabia, the other major power in the region, will most certainly feel insecure and may want to obtain. This could have a cascading effect that could destabilize the region and make conflict more likely.

Quite the opposite.
When major powers in region have nuclear weapons: they wont go to war with each other simply because it is plain stupid idea to do so. Not even Iran is that mad.

[Ralkovia]

Isreal is one of the only stable nations in the region.

Hilarious.

I'll take the fact that Israel hasn't dragged you off and murdered you as a general sign of its stability and ability to function as a Western Democracy. Then I'll add into the account that you have internet, don't seem to be dying of starvation, or having to fight off government soldiers trying to murder you. Afterwards, I'll take into account your apparent literacy.

Israel looks pretty stable to me. Considering it's current neighbors don't have any of those luxuries.

[Sulamalik]

The result of Iran "making efforts" is not 12 protesters getting arrested. These had government approval and were meant as a "fuck you" to the British that ended up backfiring and embarassing the Iranian government instead.

Do you have any evidence that Iranian governments started the protest?

[Choronzon]

The result of Iran "making efforts" is not 12 protesters getting arrested. These had government approval and were meant as a "fuck you" to the British that ended up backfiring and embarassing the Iranian government instead.

Do you have any evidence that Iranian governments started the protest?

Of course not.

[Laerod]

Hilarious.

I'll take the fact that Israel hasn't dragged you off and murdered you as a general sign of its stability and ability to function as a Western Democracy. Then I'll add into the account that you have internet, don't seem to be dying of starvation, or having to fight off government soldiers trying to murder you. Afterwards, I'll take into account your apparent literacy.

Israel looks pretty stable to me. Considering it's current neighbors don't have any of those luxuries.

I could say all those things about my Iranian former roommate, to be honest.

[Takaram]

If you really know what is happening watch this. It seems the used car salesmen in the govt. are are busy trying to pass off a junker has a new auto to a gullible public. And some are taking it hook line and sinker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZhqyTyIkOs

Something a little less reeking of unfiltered bias would be nice.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Hilarious.

I'll take the fact that Israel hasn't dragged you off and murdered you as a general sign of its stability and ability to function as a Western Democracy. Then I'll add into the account that you have internet, don't seem to be dying of starvation, or having to fight off government soldiers trying to murder you. Afterwards, I'll take into account your apparent literacy.

Israel looks pretty stable to me. Considering it's current neighbors don't have any of those luxuries.

Actually Jordan might...

[Ralkovia]

I'll take the fact that Israel hasn't dragged you off and murdered you as a general sign of its stability and ability to function as a Western Democracy. Then I'll add into the account that you have internet, don't seem to be dying of starvation, or having to fight off government soldiers trying to murder you. Afterwards, I'll take into account your apparent literacy.

Israel looks pretty stable to me. Considering it's current neighbors don't have any of those luxuries.

I could say all those things about my Iranian former roommate, to be honest.

Indeed, but I'm not debating that Iran isn't somewhat stable.

[Laerod]

The result of Iran "making efforts" is not 12 protesters getting arrested. These had government approval and were meant as a "fuck you" to the British that ended up backfiring and embarassing the Iranian government instead.

Do you have any evidence that Iranian governments started the protest?

Strawman argument.

[Divair]

I'll take the fact that Israel hasn't dragged you off and murdered you as a general sign of its stability and ability to function as a Western Democracy.

Nope, although I've been investigated for ludicrous reasons before.

Then I'll add into the account that you have internet,

That is only about five years behind the rest of the world. But point noted.

don't seem to be dying of starvation,

Neither are most people in the middle class in other countries.

or having to fight off government soldiers trying to murder you.

No, I just have to fight off government soldiers from other countries trying to murder me when I'm conscripted against my will for three years.

Afterwards, I'll take into account your apparent literacy.

Which I earned through self-teaching online and going to an international school, not an Israeli one.

Israel looks pretty stable to me. Considering it's current neighbors don't have any of those luxuries.

Not as widespread? Sure, if not slightly debatable depending on the luxury or country in question.
Not present? Nonsense.

[Ralkovia]

I'll take the fact that Israel hasn't dragged you off and murdered you as a general sign of its stability and ability to function as a Western Democracy. Then I'll add into the account that you have internet, don't seem to be dying of starvation, or having to fight off government soldiers trying to murder you. Afterwards, I'll take into account your apparent literacy.

Israel looks pretty stable to me. Considering it's current neighbors don't have any of those luxuries.

Actually Jordan might...

Forgot about Jordan...My bad.

Considering all but one of it's current neighbors don't have those luxuries.

[Gravlen]

Yep. Pakistan already launched their nuclear missiles when that schlock piece came out. Oh wait...

No. Just one of their ministers offering $100,000 for the head of the anti-islam video guy.

I'm in no way trying to defend that guy's abhorent actions, but...

...remind me again how many civilian casualties Pakistan has seen as a result of the US' war on terror and hunt for terrorists? How many cabinet officials have resigned in disgrace due to that fact?

Just as a comparison of accountability and such.

[Choronzon]

Do you have any evidence that Iranian governments started the protest?

Strawman argument.

No its not. I said there is no reason to believe the Iranian state actors aren't rational and self interested. You posted a protest turned violent as evidence that they aren't.

So, either you don't know who exactly counts when I say "state actors" or you don't know what a strawman is.