Should the U.S Support Netanyahu?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I don't believe Pakistan should be allowed nuclear weapons. However since nobody was smart enough to investigate and do something about it we need to take preventive measures before ANOTHER unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state gets them. The last thing the world needs is more nuclear weapons.

On the other hand in the unlikely scenario that Iran actually does develop nuclear weapons, the Supreme Council as opposed to Ahmadumbfuckijad would have the final say in whether or not to launch and they have much more vested interest in preserving their power and existence. It's only a pervasive "Durka Durka, Mohammed Jihad!" stereotype that implies Iran would nuke Israel the second it had viable weapons. If anything Iran being nuclear would snap Israel out of its Blank Check Dickwaving that it has by virtue of U.S. support and its own nuclear arsenal.

The best possible scenario is one where The Green Path of Hope topple Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Council and then develop nukes anyway, because Israel then cannot launch offensive attacks without being hit massively by the international community in response.

Attacking a genuine nuclear-armed democracy would be too insane even for Netanyahu.

If we don't pressure Iran, they'll be less likely to actually develop nuclear weapons.

This is just theory and predictions.

As are all arguments about why Iran should never be allowed nuclear weapons.

[Divair]

If we don't pressure Iran, they'll be less likely to actually develop nuclear weapons.

This is just theory and predictions.

It's based on math and has been more successful in the past than standard human predictions.

[Risottia]

What do you think, NSG?

I think that Netanyahu is a giant prick and a fascist warmonger. And the US should stay as far from him as possible, as supporting him is only bound to worsen the relationship between America and the Muslim world.

[Not Safe For Work]

The US actually can't though.

We CAN. We just won't.

No, we can't.

We could stop them pursuing nuclear energy production. We've been hanuting that particular avenue for quite some time now.

We might be able to hamper their production of nuclear weapons - although, if they did it in a clandestine fashion, we probably couldn't.

We could detect if they had TESTED nuclear weapons, perhaps - although, of course, by then they'd HAVE them.


But what we can't do - is stop them getting nuclear weapons. We can't stop them buying, stealing, borrowing, smuggling or otherwise being gifted with, or given access to, a nuclear weapon.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

What do you think, NSG?

I think that Netanyahu is a giant prick and a fascist warmonger. And the US should stay as far from him as possible, as supporting him is only bound to worsen the relationship between America and the Muslim world.

How can you worsen the US-Arab relationship without actual American cleansing of the whole Middle East with nuclear hellfire?

[Svetar]

This is just theory and predictions.

It's based on math and has been more successful in the past than standard human predictions.

Well I'm interested to see how everything plays out if we ever do stop pressuring Iran. I hope the predictions are correct. Normally I would think better safe than sorry.

[Ralkovia]

I think that Netanyahu is a giant prick and a fascist warmonger. And the US should stay as far from him as possible, as supporting him is only bound to worsen the relationship between America and the Muslim world.

How can you worsen the US-Arab relationship without actual American cleansing of the whole Middle East with nuclear hellfire?

Insult their prophet with a b rated movie.

[Svetar]

We CAN. We just won't.

No, we can't.

We could stop them pursuing nuclear energy production. We've been hanuting that particular avenue for quite some time now.

We might be able to hamper their production of nuclear weapons - although, if they did it in a clandestine fashion, we probably couldn't.

We could detect if they had TESTED nuclear weapons, perhaps - although, of course, by then they'd HAVE them.


But what we can't do - is stop them getting nuclear weapons. We can't stop them buying, stealing, borrowing, smuggling or otherwise being gifted with, or given access to, a nuclear weapon.

Not if Iran is longer longer a country.

[Not Safe For Work]

The USSR's economy didn't collapse because they failed to invade countries.

If anything, their enormous expenditure on military equipment and invasions damaged their economy.

The point made was about the collapse of the economy. The USSR failed for a variety of reasons, one of them being its failure to beat the United States via proxy war, etc. In the end, the ussr couldn't compete with the US.

Which is actually, when you think about it - an example of just how stupid and shortsighted American foreign policy is.

[Divair]

It's based on math and has been more successful in the past than standard human predictions.

Well I'm interested to see how everything plays out if we ever do stop pressuring Iran. I hope the predictions are correct. Normally I would think better safe than sorry.

Which is precisely why I want to avoid conflict. I'd rather not have Iran snap one day and decide to bomb my house.

[Not Safe For Work]

No, we can't.

We could stop them pursuing nuclear energy production. We've been hanuting that particular avenue for quite some time now.

We might be able to hamper their production of nuclear weapons - although, if they did it in a clandestine fashion, we probably couldn't.

We could detect if they had TESTED nuclear weapons, perhaps - although, of course, by then they'd HAVE them.


But what we can't do - is stop them getting nuclear weapons. We can't stop them buying, stealing, borrowing, smuggling or otherwise being gifted with, or given access to, a nuclear weapon.

Not if Iran is longer longer a country.

Perhaps if we lived a thousand years ago. This last century has been heavy with wars fought without territory. Al Qaeda, for example - no homeland.

If we literally turned Iran to glass with our superior WMDs, all we'd really have done is create partisans and martyrs, with no identifiable homeland.

[Gauthier]

How can you worsen the US-Arab relationship without actual American cleansing of the whole Middle East with nuclear hellfire?

Insult their prophet with a b rated movie.

Yep. Pakistan already launched their nuclear missiles when that schlock piece came out. Oh wait...

[Risottia]

I think that Netanyahu is a giant prick and a fascist warmonger. And the US should stay as far from him as possible, as supporting him is only bound to worsen the relationship between America and the Muslim world.

How can you worsen the US-Arab relationship without actual American cleansing of the whole Middle East with nuclear hellfire?

Dunno, maybe by causing radioactive fallout over the area due to you and your ally conducting an act of war without prior declaration and bombing nuclear power plants and fuel refining plants?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

How can you worsen the US-Arab relationship without actual American cleansing of the whole Middle East with nuclear hellfire?

Dunno, maybe by causing radioactive fallout over the area due to you and your ally conducting an act of war without prior declaration and bombing nuclear power plants and fuel refining plants?

Funny that. It's almost as if that forms a key part of the Israeli-American pre-emptive strike policy.

[Risottia]

Dunno, maybe by causing radioactive fallout over the area due to you and your ally conducting an act of war without prior declaration and bombing nuclear power plants and fuel refining plants?

Funny that. It's almost as if that forms a key part of the Israeli-American pre-emptive strike policy.

Yeah, weird, isn't it?

[Gauthier]

Funny that. It's almost as if that forms a key part of the Israeli-American pre-emptive strike policy.

Yeah, weird, isn't it?

No possible way it would bite the U.S. in the ass with Great White jaws, no siree. And God will make sure the fallout will never blow near Israeli borders!

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Funny that. It's almost as if that forms a key part of the Israeli-American pre-emptive strike policy.

Yeah, weird, isn't it?

His Noodliness wouldn't approve.

Yeah, weird, isn't it?

No possible way it would bite the U.S. in the ass with Great White jaws, no siree. And God will make sure the fallout will never blow near Israeli borders!

He actually will. The prevailing wind in that region takes all the fallout over to the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Yemen.

[Ralkovia]

Insult their prophet with a b rated movie.

Yep. Pakistan already launched their nuclear missiles when that schlock piece came out. Oh wait...

No. Just one of their ministers offering $100,000 for the head of the anti-islam video guy.

[Risottia]

Yeah, weird, isn't it?

His Noodliness wouldn't approve.

He told me he's not touching this with a ten-foot pole though.

No possible way it would bite the U.S. in the ass with Great White jaws, no siree. And God will make sure the fallout will never blow near Israeli borders!

He actually will. The prevailing wind in that region takes all the fallout over to the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Yemen.

Yay, ueberclusterfuck!

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

He actually will. The prevailing wind in that region takes all the fallout over to the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Yemen.

Yay, ueberclusterfuck!

It'd be the largest shit-hitting-global-fan incident since Cuba in 1962.

[Zaras]

Yep. Pakistan already launched their nuclear missiles when that schlock piece came out. Oh wait...

No. Just one of their ministers offering $100,000 for the head of the anti-islam video guy.

Same way some politicians have been calling for Julian Assange to be executed/tried for treason/etc?

[Risottia]

Yay, ueberclusterfuck!

It'd be the largest shit-hitting-global-fan incident since Cuba in 1962.

Cuba would look like a pleasant pick-nick in the fields.
Because, you know, the Soviets in the Cuban crisis actually didn't give a fuck about placing nukes in Cuba: they just wanted the US to remove their missiles from Turkey. Saying "ve'll place nookes on Cuba" was just their bargaining chip.
In this case, there would be no bargaining chip. Only US allies (like Saudi Arabia) getting pissed like crazy. And do I have to remember anyone what happened last time a Saudi prince got SERIOUSLY pissed at the US?

[Risottia]

No. Just one of their ministers offering $100,000 for the head of the anti-islam video guy.

Same way some politicians have been calling for Julian Assange to be executed/tried for treason/etc?

Yeah, but those are WESTERN politicians, hence, good.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

It'd be the largest shit-hitting-global-fan incident since Cuba in 1962.

In this case, there would be no bargaining chip. Only US allies (like Saudi Arabia) getting pissed like crazy. And do I have to remember anyone what happened last time a Saudi prince got SERIOUSLY pissed at the US?

That was the one with huge civilian casualties in 2001, was it not?

[Ralkovia]

Same way some politicians have been calling for Julian Assange to be executed/tried for treason/etc?

Yeah, but those are WESTERN politicians, hence, good.

My post was in context to "How to worsen US-Arab relations." Though to be fair Pakistan isn't even Arab.

Though, the difference being, Assange would have a trial. The Minister is paying for an assassination.