Should the U.S Support Netanyahu?

[Ralkovia]

The Russians and former soviet blocs disagree. They lost everything when there economy collapsed. Protecting America and its interests comes foremost. What happens to those interests affects me. I don't pretend to be moral, I'm motivated out of self-interest. If I lived in Iran or China or somewhere else, I'd have different beliefs. I live in the US and support the goal of keeping us a dominant power in the World.

The USSR's economy didn't collapse because they failed to invade countries.

If anything, their enormous expenditure on military equipment and invasions damaged their economy.

The point made was about the collapse of the economy. The USSR failed for a variety of reasons, one of them being its failure to beat the United States via proxy war, etc. In the end, the ussr couldn't compete with the US.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Iran must NEVER get nuclear weapons. It's incompetent government has proven that it would be too dangerous for them to obtain such capabilities. The US doesn't need to support Israel anymore than we already are. Besides the Israeli military will steamroll Iran as they are. A red line though should be placed on the development process. I mean this is the same country that thought the west had a sinister plot to destroy Irans rain clouds.

What about Pakistan?

[Divair]

The USSR's economy didn't collapse because they failed to invade countries.

If anything, their enormous expenditure on military equipment and invasions damaged their economy.

The point made was about the collapse of the economy. The USSR failed for a variety of reasons, one of them being its failure to beat the United States via proxy war, etc. In the end, the ussr couldn't compete with the US.

The USSR wining proxy wars would not have prevented a collapse. The long term benefits of such victories would be minimal, and it would be a massive money-sink in the short and medium terms.

[Sulamalik]

The US actually can't though.

We CAN. We just won't.

How would you stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon?

[Divair]

The US actually can't though.

We CAN. We just won't.

Hopefully you won't.

[Divair]

We CAN. We just won't.

How would you stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon?

Full-scale invasion would be the only way.

[Sulamalik]

How would you stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon?

Full-scale invasion would be the only way.

And I assume, of course, that Svetar will be leading the vanguard .

[Ralkovia]

The point made was about the collapse of the economy. The USSR failed for a variety of reasons, one of them being its failure to beat the United States via proxy war, etc. In the end, the ussr couldn't compete with the US.

The USSR wining proxy wars would not have prevented a collapse. The long term benefits of such victories would be minimal, and it would be a massive money-sink in the short and medium terms.

Control was the ideology behind it. The USSR failed in that respect. If the USSR had isolated the US from its trading partners, then this might have changed.

[Divair]

The USSR wining proxy wars would not have prevented a collapse. The long term benefits of such victories would be minimal, and it would be a massive money-sink in the short and medium terms.

Control was the ideology behind it. The USSR failed in that respect. If the USSR had isolated the US from its trading partners, then this might have changed.

If the USSR had somehow isolated the US from its trading partners (not possible), it would have simply led to a global collapse for both sides.

The USSR's system was fundamentally flawed from the start, but that's what you get for implementing Stalinism.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Control was the ideology behind it. The USSR failed in that respect. If the USSR had isolated the US from its trading partners, then this might have changed.

It wouldn't have, the USSR was built in an inefficient, corrupt, and unstable base to begin with. At best, it would have lasted a few more decades before collapsing.

[Svetar]

Iran must NEVER get nuclear weapons. It's incompetent government has proven that it would be too dangerous for them to obtain such capabilities. The US doesn't need to support Israel anymore than we already are. Besides the Israeli military will steamroll Iran as they are. A red line though should be placed on the development process. I mean this is the same country that thought the west had a sinister plot to destroy Irans rain clouds.

What about Pakistan?

What about Pakistan? The the subject here is Iran.

How would you stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon?

Full-scale invasion would be the only way.

Negotiations could still work. Israel has already been sabotaging it when they can for years.

[Svetar]

Full-scale invasion would be the only way.

And I assume, of course, that Svetar will be leading the vanguard .

Rangers lead the way.

[Divair]

Negotiations could still work. Israel has already been sabotaging it when they can for years.

You think negotiating with Iran is an option?

Hilarious.

I recommend watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts5MKtXNpMQ

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

What about Pakistan?

What about Pakistan? The the subject here is Iran.

The point is that Pakistan, an unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state, is allowed nuclear weapons, while Iran, a more stable pseudo-democratic state with a more liberal populace, is not allowed nuclear weapons. There is no logic to that.

[Ralkovia]

What about Pakistan? The the subject here is Iran.

The point is that Pakistan, an unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state, is allowed nuclear weapons, while Iran, a more stable pseudo-democratic state with a more liberal populace, is not allowed nuclear weapons. There is no logic to that.

They were US allies that then jumped over to the USSR after the Indians got nukes. We couldnt do anything at the time since the USSR was protecting them.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The point is that Pakistan, an unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state, is allowed nuclear weapons, while Iran, a more stable pseudo-democratic state with a more liberal populace, is not allowed nuclear weapons. There is no logic to that.

They were US allies that then jumped over to the USSR after the Indians got nukes. We couldnt do anything at the time since the USSR was protecting them.

Which is why superpower politics, "global dominance", "exceptionalism" and arming smaller states for your own (temporary) advantage are absolutely bloody stupid.

[Demphor]

We should support Israel, but we shouldn't support them if they're going to cause a bunch of diplomatic crisis' and rile up the other countries around it.

[Gauthier]

What about Pakistan? The the subject here is Iran.

The point is that Pakistan, an unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state, is allowed nuclear weapons, while Iran, a more stable pseudo-democratic state with a more liberal populace, is not allowed nuclear weapons. There is no logic to that.

Iran is also less likely to sell nuclear weapons to Al'Qaeda, much less use them offensively.

[Svetar]

Negotiations could still work. Israel has already been sabotaging it when they can for years.

You think negotiating with Iran is an option?

Hilarious.

I recommend watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts5MKtXNpMQ

20 minute video........just sum it up for me.

What about Pakistan? The the subject here is Iran.

The point is that Pakistan, an unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state, is allowed nuclear weapons, while Iran, a more stable pseudo-democratic state with a more liberal populace, is not allowed nuclear weapons. There is no logic to that.

I don't believe Pakistan should be allowed nuclear weapons. However since nobody was smart enough to do something about it we need to take preventive measures before ANOTHER unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state gets them. The last thing the world needs is more nuclear weapons.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The point is that Pakistan, an unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state, is allowed nuclear weapons, while Iran, a more stable pseudo-democratic state with a more liberal populace, is not allowed nuclear weapons. There is no logic to that.

Iran is also less likely to sell nuclear weapons to Al'Qaeda, much less use them offensively.

Iran is also less at risk from actually being taken over by terrorists.

[Divair]

20 minute video........just sum it up for me.

If we don't pressure Iran, they'll be less likely to actually develop nuclear weapons.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

What about Pakistan? The the subject here is Iran.

The point is that Pakistan, an unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state, is allowed nuclear weapons, while Iran, a more stable pseudo-democratic state with a more liberal populace, is not allowed nuclear weapons. There is no logic to that.

Pretty much.

[Divair]

We should support Israel, but we shouldn't support them if they're going to cause a bunch of diplomatic crisis' and rile up the other countries around it.

So never support them?

[Gauthier]

I don't believe Pakistan should be allowed nuclear weapons. However since nobody was smart enough to investigate and do something about it we need to take preventive measures before ANOTHER unstable pseudo-democratic Islamist-influenced state gets them. The last thing the world needs is more nuclear weapons.

On the other hand in the unlikely scenario that Iran actually does develop nuclear weapons, the Supreme Council as opposed to Ahmadumbfuckijad would have the final say in whether or not to launch and they have much more vested interest in preserving their power and existence. It's only a pervasive "Durka Durka, Mohammed Jihad!" stereotype that implies Iran would nuke Israel the second it had viable weapons. If anything Iran being nuclear would snap Israel out of its Blank Check Dickwaving that it has by virtue of U.S. support and its own nuclear arsenal.

[Svetar]

20 minute video........just sum it up for me.

If we don't pressure Iran, they'll be less likely to actually develop nuclear weapons.

This is just theory and predictions.