Why is abortion so bad?

[Seskany]

No, you're wrong. Your cells are still dividing, you are still a living thing.
I really fucking wish people would stop making this mistake.

Stop the ethnic cleansing of grass by not walking on lawns and fields then.

All I'm objecting to is misuse of a term. An amoeba is living, it doesn't mean it has rights.

[Christian Democrats]

I don't see why this should matter.

Maybe, it should be legal to kill someone in a temporary induced coma even though he or she eventually will go on living life independently.

That coma victim would already have been sapient, and not infringing on bodily sovereignty like a fetus.

The "right to bodily sovereignty" does not extend to someone doing something to herself that will cause harm to other parties.

Who cares whether or not the coma victim used to be sapient? A corpse used to be sapient.

It is about the future. Someone in a coma will be sapient. An unborn child will be sapient. Thus, neither should be killed.

[Avenio]

When did we start discriminating based on development?

A long time ago. It's why 7-year-olds don't have the right to vote.

Are the developmentally disabled less human than you or I?

When the developmental stage the person is at precludes conscious thought or even the ability to survive independently of its host without what is in essence life support, yes. We give human rights based upon the fact that we're sentient creatures - fetuses are not sentient.

[Seskany]

A microbe could yield offspring which will eventually evolve into a sentient species. Better watch where you step!!

[Revolutopia]

That coma victim would already have been sapient, and not infringing on bodily sovereignty like a fetus.

The "right to bodily sovereignty" does not extend to someone doing something to herself that will cause harm to other parties.

So you are admitting that the fetus has no rights? Saying that pregnancy has the inherent risk of causing harm on another party.

[Christian Democrats]

How can I keep a human being from having 80 years of life where no human being ever existed?

You keep it from existing by not having sex. Thus you keep it from having 80 years of life. Stop killing people and start impregnating as many women as you can.

Explain this again. How can someone commit a wrong against something that doesn't exist?

[Condunum]

*gun fires*
And they're off!
...
Wait, that one isn't moving. In fact, it's on the ground. Beat it with a stick or something.

[Raeyh]

How can I keep a human being from having 80 years of life where no human being ever existed?

You keep it from existing by not having sex. Thus you keep it from having 80 years of life. Stop killing people and start impregnating as many women as you can.

You are comparing not having sex to an expensive medical procedure done with the sole intent of sabotaging a pregnancy.

[Seskany]

Explain this again. How can someone commit a wrong against something that doesn't exist?

It exists as one sperm and one ova. By refusing to have sex, you are preventing their union, and they will both likely die. Two halves of a baby gone.

[Yankee Empire]

Some people think killing babies is bad.

Yeah, this kind of bollocks. There isn't even a baby involved.

Depends on how old it is at the time, and what you define as a "Baby".

[Bleckonia]

well, I for one think there is nothing wrong with it. in fact, an unborn child is sort of like a parasite, as it takes nutrients from the mother. and also, if it cannot survive on it's own (needs to take nutrients from someone else's body) then it is not technically alive. plus, as long as it is in the mother's body and takes nutrients from her, it is a part of her body. it can die if she dies. and what if a woman were to be raped, and from that rape, became pregnant and had no money to pay for the child? hmm? what then?

Well, if a woman is legitimately raped, she can't become pregnant.

- Rep. Todd Akin

[Ifreann]

You keep it from existing by not having sex. Thus you keep it from having 80 years of life. Stop killing people and start impregnating as many women as you can.

Explain this again. How can someone commit a wrong against something that doesn't exist?

When it could exist, but you're keeping that from happening. Like how an embryo could have 80 years of life.

[Yankee Empire]

well, I for one think there is nothing wrong with it. in fact, an unborn child is sort of like a parasite, as it takes nutrients from the mother. and also, if it cannot survive on it's own (needs to take nutrients from someone else's body) then it is not technically alive. plus, as long as it is in the mother's body and takes nutrients from her, it is a part of her body. it can die if she dies. and what if a woman were to be raped, and from that rape, became pregnant and had no money to pay for the child? hmm? what then?

Well, if a woman is legitimately raped, she can't become pregnant.

- Rep. Todd Akin

I think thats actually true with a certain kind of duck but not humans.

[Ifreann]

You keep it from existing by not having sex. Thus you keep it from having 80 years of life. Stop killing people and start impregnating as many women as you can.

You are comparing not having sex to an expensive medical procedure done with the sole intent of sabotaging a pregnancy.

And you're adding weasel words to your post to make abortion seem worse. I'm glad we're on the same page.

[Christian Democrats]

When did we start discriminating based on development?

A long time ago. It's why 7-year-olds don't have the right to vote.

Are the developmentally disabled less human than you or I?

When the developmental stage the person is at precludes conscious thought or even the ability to survive independently of its host without what is in essence life support, yes. We give human rights based upon the fact that we're sentient creatures - fetuses are not sentient.

A person who is comatose does not have conscious thought nor the ability to survive independently without someone else.

Therefore, comatose patients have no human rights; and the person giving them care or paying for care has the right to kill them.

The "right to bodily sovereignty" does not extend to someone doing something to herself that will cause harm to other parties.

So you are admitting that the fetus has no rights? Saying that pregnancy has the inherent risk of causing harm on another party.

No. A pregnancy does carry risks, but risks do not permit a disproportional use of force against the child.

[Manahakatouki]

Personally, I've never had a problem with abortion...

But really, it's just my inner Id wanting to kill something incredibly badly right?

Obviously...

[Bleckonia]

That coma victim would already have been sapient, and not infringing on bodily sovereignty like a fetus.

The "right to bodily sovereignty" does not extend to someone doing something to herself that will cause harm to other parties.

Who cares whether or not the coma victim used to be sapient? A corpse used to be sapient.

It is about the future. Someone in a coma will be sapient. An unborn child will be sapient. Thus, neither should be killed.

How do you know someone in a coma will come out of it? One of my classmates was in a coma for months and died.

[Sprits]

When did we start discriminating based on development?

A long time ago. It's why 7-year-olds don't have the right to vote.

Are the developmentally disabled less human than you or I?

When the developmental stage the person is at precludes conscious thought or even the ability to survive independently of its host without what is in essence life support, yes. We give human rights based upon the fact that we're sentient creatures - fetuses are not sentient.

Premature babies cannot live without life support. By that definition, the woman has the right to kill him/her if she wants to.

[Bleckonia]

The "right to bodily sovereignty" does not extend to someone doing something to herself that will cause harm to other parties.

So you are admitting that the fetus has no rights? Saying that pregnancy has the inherent risk of causing harm on another party.

What if the woman is going to die?

[Christian Democrats]

Explain this again. How can someone commit a wrong against something that doesn't exist?

It exists as one sperm and one ova. By refusing to have sex, you are preventing their union, and they will both likely die. Two halves of a baby gone.

Which sperm cell is the victim of this crime?

Explain this again. How can someone commit a wrong against something that doesn't exist?

When it could exist, but you're keeping that from happening. Like how an embryo could have 80 years of life.

The average embryo will have 80 years of life if nothing is done against him or her.

[United States of Natan]

Preventing people from being born in the first place is ethically the same as letting them be born and then killing them.

Do you have any idea how many people you're essentially killing by not having unprotected sex at every opportunity?

what. the. heck? do you know how stupid you sound right now? What if someone does not want to have a baby but still wants to have sex? that is why birth control was invented.

[Seskany]

Which sperm cell is the victim of this crime?

Come to think of it, all of them that were currently ready to fertilize an egg. So, really, plenty of babies gone!

[Christian Democrats]

What if the woman is going to die?

The death of one if preferable to the death of two. An indirect abortion should be allowed.

[Revolutopia]

So you are admitting that the fetus has no rights? Saying that pregnancy has the inherent risk of causing harm on another party.

No. A pregnancy does carry risks, but risks do not permit a disproportional use of force against the child.

Good thing abortion is not disproportional, as the woman is engaging in no different manner then any individual can in regards to their self defense. Simply, just like how if someone breaks into my house I can shoot them so to can a woman perform an abortion of unwanted fetus.

[Bleckonia]

Which sperm cell is the victim of this crime?

Come to think of it, all of them that were currently ready to fertilize an egg. So, really, plenty of babies gone!

Well, actually, only one because one ejaculation meets only one egg which creates only one baby normally.