Something like keeping it in your pants and not allowing the embryo to exist at all.
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by Ifreann » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:30 pm
by Bleckonia » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:30 pm
by Avenio » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:30 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:A person who is comatose does not have conscious thought nor the ability to survive independently without someone else.
Therefore, comatose patients have no human rights; and the person giving them care or paying for care has the right to kill them.
by Inyourfaceistan » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:31 pm
by Seskany » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:31 pm
Bleckonia wrote:Well, actually, only one because one ejaculation meets only one egg which creates only one baby normally.
by Iormund » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:31 pm
Divair wrote:Iormund wrote:If we were to use your reasoning then we should ban all the laws alltogether...
You can't prove an action is inherently good nor bad. And actually you can prove that slavery is more profitable than certain economic models we have in use nowadays
Yet can we prove it takes away the rights of human beings.
by The Mizarian Empire » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:32 pm
by Bleckonia » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:32 pm
by Christian Democrats » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:32 pm
Revolutopia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:
No. A pregnancy does carry risks, but risks do not permit a disproportional use of force against the child.
Good thing abortion is not disproportional, as the woman is engaging in no different manner then any individual can in regards to their self defense. Simply, just like how if someone breaks into my house I can shoot them so to can a woman perform an abortion of unwanted fetus.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Revolutopia » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:33 pm
by Ifreann » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:34 pm
The Mizarian Empire wrote:It depends on the situation, there are a number of reasons why a person wouldn't want to have a child. Lets consider the facts shall we?
When abortion is (in my opinion) Okay/reasonable:
by Raeyh » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:34 pm
Revolutopia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:
No. A pregnancy does carry risks, but risks do not permit a disproportional use of force against the child.
Good thing abortion is not disproportional, as the woman is engaging in no different manner then any individual can in regards to their self defense. Simply, just like how if someone breaks into my house I can shoot them so to can a woman perform an abortion of unwanted fetus.
by Crackzikistan » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:34 pm
by Christian Democrats » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:34 pm
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Altria » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:35 pm
Sardine World wrote:its a good thing really
if we make abortion mandatory for all countries except the united states and norway, we can eliminate all the competition
Divair wrote:Because Israel, much like the US, has a foreign policy that basically screams "STFU, WE DO WHAT WE WANT".
by Revolutopia » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:35 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:Revolutopia wrote:
Good thing abortion is not disproportional, as the woman is engaging in no different manner then any individual can in regards to their self defense. Simply, just like how if someone breaks into my house I can shoot them so to can a woman perform an abortion of unwanted fetus.
Does the fetus have intent to harm?
How is killing a fetus use of proportional force unless the mother will die if pregnancy continues?
by Christian Democrats » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:35 pm
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Crackzikistan » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:35 pm
Raeyh wrote:Revolutopia wrote:
Good thing abortion is not disproportional, as the woman is engaging in no different manner then any individual can in regards to their self defense. Simply, just like how if someone breaks into my house I can shoot them so to can a woman perform an abortion of unwanted fetus.
If you shoot someone who is unarmed and breaks into your house, that's murder and you would be charged as such. If they were armed, it would be assault and you would be justified. Now, fetuses don't tend to carry weapons.
by Iormund » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:36 pm
Revolutopia wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:
No. A pregnancy does carry risks, but risks do not permit a disproportional use of force against the child.
Good thing abortion is not disproportional, as the woman is engaging in no different manner then any individual can in regards to their self defense. Simply, just like how if someone breaks into my house I can shoot them so to can a woman perform an abortion of unwanted fetus.
by Question Everything » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 pm
by Ifreann » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 pm
Raeyh wrote:Revolutopia wrote:
Good thing abortion is not disproportional, as the woman is engaging in no different manner then any individual can in regards to their self defense. Simply, just like how if someone breaks into my house I can shoot them so to can a woman perform an abortion of unwanted fetus.
If you shoot someone who is unarmed and breaks into your house, that's murder and you would be charged as such. If they were armed, it would be assault and you would be justified. Now, fetuses don't tend to carry weapons.
by The New Gregarian Empire » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 pm
by Revolutopia » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 pm
by Christian Democrats » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:38 pm
Avenio wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:A person who is comatose does not have conscious thought nor the ability to survive independently without someone else.
Therefore, comatose patients have no human rights; and the person giving them care or paying for care has the right to kill them.
Medically-speaking, a coma is merely a state of unconsciousness
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Iormund » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:39 pm
Ifreann wrote:Raeyh wrote:
If you shoot someone who is unarmed and breaks into your house, that's murder and you would be charged as such. If they were armed, it would be assault and you would be justified. Now, fetuses don't tend to carry weapons.
And trespassers don't tend to crawl into a woman's uterus.
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