Multiculturalism 'past its sell-by date' warns race expert

[Indira]

Any person who calls themselves a "race expert" in the 21st century should not be considered credible in the slightest.

This. Seriously is ANYONE taking this guy seriously?

[Mursiyah]

I live in Toronto, and ethnic tensions are pretty much non-existent.

I also visited Dubai once, multiculturalism seems to be working their as well.

[Fintanland]

This. Seriously is ANYONE taking this guy seriously?

No, but a little shouting match with the resident brownshirts can be bracing once in a while

[Quintium]

I live in Toronto, and ethnic tensions are pretty much non-existent.

Then again, Canadian immigration rules are called fascist by many Europeans without any trace of irony. I live near Rotterdam, in the Netherlands. It's called one of the most multicultural cities in the world, and is incidentally also one with a level of poverty and crime that surpasses most of Eastern Europe. Ethnic tensions are at an all-time high, life expectancy is a serious problem and the streets are sometimes dominated by young Moroccan men who shout at women without veils, rape them occasionally, and rob everyone else.

I also visited Dubai once, multiculturalism seems to be working their as well.

Are we talking about the Dubai that has segragation laws, practical slaves and extreme repression by a fully-undemocratic government?
Because that Dubai's ruler incidentally also funded a mosque near my house.

[Sulamalik]

I live in Toronto, and ethnic tensions are pretty much non-existent.

Then again, Canadian immigration rules are called fascist by many Europeans without any trace of irony. I live near Rotterdam, in the Netherlands. It's called one of the most multicultural cities in the world, and is incidentally also one with a level of poverty and crime that surpasses most of Eastern Europe. Ethnic tensions are at an all-time high, life expectancy is a serious problem and the streets are sometimes dominated by young Moroccan men who shout at women without veils, rape them occasionally, and rob everyone else.

I also visited Dubai once, multiculturalism seems to be working their as well.

Are we talking about the Dubai that has segragation laws, practical slaves and extreme repression by a fully-undemocratic government?
Because that Dubai's ruler incidentally also funded a mosque near my house.

How are Canadian immigration laws in any way fascist? They're some of the most liberal in the world.

[EnragedMaldivians]

About 60% of this thread thinks multiculturalism is a failure. Incidentally, this thread is also 100% white and middle class.

Hmm. So EnragedMaldivians isn't an ethnic Maldivian living in the Maldives? Someone should tell him that his skin colour has changed.

Actually, I'm currently living in St-Andrews, Scotland for Uni. But yeah, fortunately I've kept my tan complexion.

[Quintium]

How are Canadian immigration laws in any way fascist? They're some of the most liberal in the world.

In the world, perhaps. For European standards, they're rather tough. Don't forget, I live in a country that only recently introduced a basic literacy requirement - not a requirement that you speak our language, because that's not a requirement in the first place, but the requirement that you're able to read and write on a basic level. After looking at a website that contains information about Canada's immigration policies, I was really surprised by how many demands they could set.

[Mushet]

Race expert?

[Quintium]

Strangely, I can't find any racist mention of race beyond the title. It seems this is just a colloquial name for a man who specialises in academic research into the way ethnic minorities live. The only mention this professor makes of race: “Ironically, many of these identities now appear more immutable, than the now discredited racial boundaries that they have come to replace.”

[Mursiyah]

I live in Toronto, and ethnic tensions are pretty much non-existent.

Then again, Canadian immigration rules are called fascist by many Europeans without any trace of irony. I live near Rotterdam, in the Netherlands. It's called one of the most multicultural cities in the world, and is incidentally also one with a level of poverty and crime that surpasses most of Eastern Europe. Ethnic tensions are at an all-time high, life expectancy is a serious problem and the streets are sometimes dominated by young Moroccan men who shout at women without veils, rape them occasionally, and rob everyone else.

I also visited Dubai once, multiculturalism seems to be working their as well.

Are we talking about the Dubai that has segragation laws, practical slaves and extreme repression by a fully-undemocratic government?
Because that Dubai's ruler incidentally also funded a mosque near my house.

I think the Canadian immigration process is pretty fair, Toronto's cultural diversity is enough proof of that.

About Dubai though, all I have to go on is what I saw while travelling as a tourist. It looked multicultural enough from what I saw.

btw, another amazing city-state thats also multi-cultural is Singapore. I loved that place when I visited it.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Then again, Canadian immigration rules are called fascist by many Europeans without any trace of irony. I live near Rotterdam, in the Netherlands. It's called one of the most multicultural cities in the world, and is incidentally also one with a level of poverty and crime that surpasses most of Eastern Europe. Ethnic tensions are at an all-time high, life expectancy is a serious problem and the streets are sometimes dominated by young Moroccan men who shout at women without veils, rape them occasionally, and rob everyone else.



Are we talking about the Dubai that has segragation laws, practical slaves and extreme repression by a fully-undemocratic government?
Because that Dubai's ruler incidentally also funded a mosque near my house.

I think the Canadian immigration process is pretty fair, Toronto's cultural diversity is enough proof of that.

About Dubai though, all I have to go on is what I saw while travelling as a tourist. It looked multicultural enough from what I saw.

btw, another amazing city-state thats also multi-cultural is Singapore. I loved that place when I visited it.

As far as I'm aware Canada only makes it easy for people with a certain level of education, and in certain fields at that, to immigrate there.

[Saruhan]

I live in Toronto, and ethnic tensions are pretty much non-existent.

I also visited Dubai once, multiculturalism seems to be working their as well.

Our tensions are more Linguistic, not cultural

[Pope Joan]

We do not have enough organizations devoted to serving the public good. It does not have to mean taxation would be involved.

If the government is going to be involved in something anyway, why not let a religious nonprofit do the grunt work? There can be sufficient safeguards to protect clients and staff, to ensure fair treatment.

Government bureaucracies are unresponsive, ineffective and expensive. Nonprofits are more agile, more in touch with the grassroots, and (thanks to the use of volunteers) a lot cheaper.

[Sulamalik]

I think the Canadian immigration process is pretty fair, Toronto's cultural diversity is enough proof of that.

About Dubai though, all I have to go on is what I saw while travelling as a tourist. It looked multicultural enough from what I saw.

btw, another amazing city-state thats also multi-cultural is Singapore. I loved that place when I visited it.

As far as I'm aware Canada only makes it easy for people with a certain level of education, and in certain fields at that, to immigrate there.

There's more than one path to immigration in Canada. My mother had a bachelor's degree in Food and Nutrition, with only a passing knowledge of English, and got in through the caregivers program.

It's important to remember that despite Canada's "tough" immigration laws, Canada still lets in the most immigrants per capita. Its actually a point of pride on how open our system is, in fact, when a Conservative MP proposed at curtail on the amount of new arrivals we let in every year, he was quickly brought down by cries of racism throughout the political spectrum.

[Sulamalik]

I live in Toronto, and ethnic tensions are pretty much non-existent.

I also visited Dubai once, multiculturalism seems to be working their as well.

Our tensions are more Linguistic, not cultural

Nationally that's true. Inside Quebec, the tensions are splint much more upon cultural lines.

[Saruhan]

We do not have enough organizations devoted to serving the public good. It does not have to mean taxation would be involved.

If the government is going to be involved in something anyway, why not let a religious nonprofit do the grunt work? There can be sufficient safeguards to protect clients and staff, to ensure fair treatment.

Government bureaucracies are unresponsive, ineffective and expensive. Nonprofits are more agile, more in touch with the grassroots, and (thanks to the use of volunteers) a lot cheaper.

Cool, but how are charities going to bring people into the country?

[Saruhan]

Our tensions are more Linguistic, not cultural

Nationally that's true. Inside Quebec, the tensions are splint much more upon cultural lines.

From the times i've been there, they seemed to be more about speak french or leave, but I didn't see anyone darker then Mediterranean the times i've went so who knows

[Sulamalik]

Nationally that's true. Inside Quebec, the tensions are splint much more upon cultural lines.

From the times i've been there, they seemed to be more about speak french or leave, but I didn't see anyone darker then Mediterranean the times i've went so who knows

Quebec's government has flirted at times with banning Muslim religious headgear, but yeah, the Anglo/Franco situation is still the biggest point of contention. It's weird how both progressive and conservative political parties in Quebec can be, in any other province they'd be walking paradoxes.

[Saruhan]

From the times i've been there, they seemed to be more about speak french or leave, but I didn't see anyone darker then Mediterranean the times i've went so who knows

Quebec's government has flirted at times with banning Muslim religious headgear, but yeah, the Anglo/Franco situation is still the biggest point of contention. It's weird how both progressive and conservative political parties Quebec can be, in any other province they'd be walking paradoxes.

Oh they're so silly, they should know not to do anything. Bacon, booze, and rock 'n roll will turn people away from Islam (and all religions in general, really) much more effectively then some government thing. I think it's more that they want to gain votes with the racist roman catholic zealots separatists whilst being left wing

[Quintium]

btw, another amazing city-state thats also multi-cultural is Singapore. I loved that place when I visited it.

Singapore is actually a prime example of what I said earlier. Multiculturalism works with compatible cultures. They either need to share core values - and no, those are not universal - or they need to be held together by repression. East Asian and South East Asian cultures can work, whereas North African and European cultures in Western Europe are constantly at odds.

[Sulamalik]

Quebec's government has flirted at times with banning Muslim religious headgear, but yeah, the Anglo/Franco situation is still the biggest point of contention. It's weird how both progressive and conservative political parties Quebec can be, in any other province they'd be walking paradoxes.

Oh they're so silly, they should know not to do anything. Bacon, booze, and rock 'n roll will turn people away from Islam (and all religions in general, really) much more effectively then some government thing. I think it's more that they want to gain votes with the racist roman catholic zealots separatists whilst being left wing

Yep, nothing quite gets the right-wing populists voters salivating like the chance to marginalize some darkies

[Sulamalik]

btw, another amazing city-state thats also multi-cultural is Singapore. I loved that place when I visited it.

Singapore is actually a prime example of what I said earlier. Multiculturalism works with compatible cultures. They either need to share core values - and no, those are not universal - or they need to be held together by repression. East Asian and South East Asian cultures can work, whereas North African and European cultures in Western Europe are constantly at odds.

Singapore has a pretty large Muslim population. And I'd say there's also a very big difference between Chinese, Indian, and Malay cultures.

[Saruhan]

Oh they're so silly, they should know not to do anything. Bacon, booze, and rock 'n roll will turn people away from Islam (and all religions in general, really) much more effectively then some government thing. I think it's more that they want to gain votes with the racist roman catholic zealots separatists whilst being left wing

Yep, nothing quite gets the right-wing populists voters salivating like the chance to marginalize some darkies

Though I have to say, not a single party does immigration and integration well

[Galla-]

btw, another amazing city-state thats also multi-cultural is Singapore. I loved that place when I visited it.

Singapore is actually a prime example of what I said earlier. Multiculturalism works with compatible cultures. They either need to share core values - and no, those are not universal - or they need to be held together by repression. East Asian and South East Asian cultures can work, whereas North African and European cultures in Western Europe are constantly at odds.

Singapore is also exceedingly tyrannical and disturbed, and culturally and morally backwards.

Coincidence?

[Saruhan]

Singapore is actually a prime example of what I said earlier. Multiculturalism works with compatible cultures. They either need to share core values - and no, those are not universal - or they need to be held together by repression. East Asian and South East Asian cultures can work, whereas North African and European cultures in Western Europe are constantly at odds.

Singapore is also exceedingly tyrannical and disturbed, and culturally and morally backwards.

Coincidence?

And country that bans gum it, poor bastards....