by Fluffy Coyotes » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:42 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:If the teachings of Christ can't get his followers to behave peacefully, then he obviously did not teach them very well.
by Silent Majority » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:20 pm
by Vazeckta » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:13 pm
by Bombadil » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:27 pm
by Seleucas » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:34 pm
by Atollus » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:37 pm
by Arumdaum » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:39 pm
Vazeckta wrote:Well, there really are only two candidates, considering the near impossibility of a third party winning. But, if we encouraged non-voting 3rd party caucusing people to vote, the electoral college would need a revamp, since 270 won't work if there are 3 or more parties vying for votes.
I think a lot of people just don't care though. My friend told me that sometimes his parents just don't vote because they'd been at work and don't want to go back out again.
by Vazeckta » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:43 pm
Arumdaum wrote:Vazeckta wrote:Well, there really are only two candidates, considering the near impossibility of a third party winning. But, if we encouraged non-voting 3rd party caucusing people to vote, the electoral college would need a revamp, since 270 won't work if there are 3 or more parties vying for votes.
I think a lot of people just don't care though. My friend told me that sometimes his parents just don't vote because they'd been at work and don't want to go back out again.
The spoiler effect pretty much prevents people voting third party.
by Wamitoria » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:50 pm
by Arumdaum » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:51 pm
by Seleucas » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:02 pm
Atollus wrote:Not only are the two parties unworthy of my vote. The Electoral system makes the democratic process largely gridlocked and pointless. Combine that with the large population in America and a single vote is practically worthless. Its little different than the concept of inflation. Until the electorate is abolished voter apathy is likely to increase, even more so as the population gets smarter with each generation. As Americans wise up to the two parties of wimps and goons, less will vote. Simple.
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:16 pm
by Risottia » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:12 am
One cannot help wondering what's holding 3 out of 7 people back.
by Chestaan » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:42 am
by Forsakia » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:55 am
Risottia wrote:
"Supposedly"?
You mean the US gov't doesn't know how many eligible voters there are, and how many of them actually voted?
One cannot help wondering what's holding 3 out of 7 people back.
FPTP might be a cause.
With FPTP, most of the times, a large chunk (or even the majority) of the voters don't get any representation - because the seat/offices goes to a list/candidate who won the plurality, with figures typically between 30% and 55%.
If I know that I'm not getting any representation anyway, why should I even bother to vote in the first place? I'd go rather back to "no taxation without representation" and stop paying the taxes.
by Risottia » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:15 am
On the PR point, I think New Zealand was the most recent country to change from plurality to PR systems and didn't see an uptick in voter turnout.
by The USOT » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:39 am
by Gauntleted Fist » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:49 am
Risottia wrote:WTF do they mean "probably eligible"? One is eligible or he's not. Tertium non datur.
Risottia wrote:I'd require the gov't to know it for sure.
by Forsakia » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:57 am
by SquareDisc City » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:06 am
On the contrary, my view is that regardless of whether the MP I have is the one I voted for, it's still their job to represent me in Parliament, to be aware of how the national laws will affect the local issues and argue against that which will have a negative impact.Risottia wrote:With FPTP, most of the times, a large chunk (or even the majority) of the voters don't get any representation - because the seat/offices goes to a list/candidate who won the plurality, with figures typically between 30% and 55%.
by Fluffy Coyotes » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:31 am
Risottia wrote:"Supposedly"?
You mean the US gov't doesn't know how many eligible voters there are, and how many of them actually voted?
Nazi Flower Power wrote:If the teachings of Christ can't get his followers to behave peacefully, then he obviously did not teach them very well.
by Meridiani Planum » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:49 am
Chestaan wrote:I suppose part of the reason why many don't vote is because they know that either the Democrats or Republicans are almost certain to win in their state. I would think that voting numbers in swing states would be much higher. I really think the American system needs to be completely re-designed. The electoral college should be abolished and FPTP should be replaced by PR. It would be far from a perfect but it would be vastly superior to the current system.
by Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:57 am
by Eireann Fae » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:58 am
by Farnhamia » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:21 am
Eireann Fae wrote:I don't vote because I live in Texas. This is a solid red state, and that is not going to change.
I did vote once, I believe it was in 2008. The approximate numbers for who voted what, with my selection in bold:
Republican - 2.4 million
Democrat - 2.1 million
Progressive - 100,000
Green - 17,000
Even if all three non-reds banded together, Perry would still have kept a firm grip on the governorship. Suffice it to say, I was disappointed my first - and likely last - time out voting.
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