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Who do you want to win?

President Barack Obama
423
42%
Governor Mitt Romney
180
18%
A third party candidate
185
18%
Who cares and/or I ain't American
75
7%
It doesn't matter as the Mods are gonna launch their coup any time now and I for one welcome our Modly overlords
146
14%
 
Total votes : 1009

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New England and The Maritimes
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:51 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's not really fair. He has a Five Point Plan. It's just the same shit Republicans have been pushing for years.


At least he's a bit more honest- Mitt's not even pretending to be "compassionately conservative" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), unless there's a photo-op involved.

I just love all these stories of Mitt's "charity."

So let's say Mitt Romney really did put some dude through college. Let's say Mitt Romney really did build some disable veteran's house. So what? Is he going to do that for every person he puts on the street? Will he be making up the difference out of his wallet when he guts pell grants to "pay for" tax cuts and increased military spending? Will he rebuild New Orleans with his bare hands the next time a hurricane wipes it out and he's privatized FEMA? No? Then it has no fucking bearing on the fact that his policy positions are going to hurt millions and millions of people. You can't offset 5 million deaths from nuking Iran by taking a stray puppy to the vet.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:53 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:At least he's a bit more honest- Mitt's not even pretending to be "compassionately conservative" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), unless there's a photo-op involved.

Eh, I'd say there's one area where he hasn't exactly went from "moderate" to "conservative Mitt", and that's energy. He's been consistent at laughing at the idea of slowing Global Warming, and made fun of the President for wanting to slow the rising tides of the ocean. Kind of surprised I haven't been seeing ads about this.
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:53 pm

Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:54 pm

Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.

Buffet and Bloomberg are members of a sleeper cell. *nod*
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:55 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.

Buffet and Bloomberg are members of a sleeper cell. *nod*

Communism abounds on Wall Street.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:55 pm

Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.

You forgot Comrade Christie.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:57 pm

Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.

I believe the thought they are now floating through their Talking Point Field Tester Rush Limbaugh is that these things are the subject of a little ransom/payola Obama dangled for disaster relief.

Yeah...if there's a rattling in your head right now, the best thing to do is try and stop thinking about that and perhaps about puppies for a minute or so to restore balance.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:57 pm

Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.


Climate Change=Communism, didn't you hear?

“President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet. [Pause, Laughter.] My promise is to help you and your family.”


Obviously it's impossible to tackle the economy AND the climate
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:57 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.

I believe the thought they are now floating through their Talking Point Field Tester Rush Limbaugh is that these things are the subject of a little ransom/payola Obama dangled for disaster relief.

Yeah...if there's a rattling in your head right now, the best thing to do is try and stop thinking about that and perhaps about puppies for a minute or so to restore balance.

That's if you let the puppies live.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:58 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I believe the thought they are now floating through their Talking Point Field Tester Rush Limbaugh is that these things are the subject of a little ransom/payola Obama dangled for disaster relief.

Yeah...if there's a rattling in your head right now, the best thing to do is try and stop thinking about that and perhaps about puppies for a minute or so to restore balance.

That's if you let the puppies live.

That's in you all's hands.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:58 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Buffet and Bloomberg are members of a sleeper cell. *nod*

Communism abounds on Wall Street.

They're just hiding in plain sight. When the Soviet Union started breaking up many agents came to the US to join the sleepers and prepare for the coming of socialism. Since they were trained to take the long view, their plans are only just now coming to fruition. In another generation or so, the US will export socialism back to Russia, the USSR will rise from the ashes like the phoenix and rule the world! *cackles maniacally*
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Postby Free South Califas » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:00 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:That's if you let the puppies live.

That's in you all's hands.

It's too dangerous. Signals could too easily get crossed. We don't want anyone to wake up, kick their dog and redistribute its assets.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:01 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.

I believe the thought they are now floating through their Talking Point Field Tester Rush Limbaugh is that these things are the subject of a little ransom/payola Obama dangled for disaster relief.

Yeah...if there's a rattling in your head right now, the best thing to do is try and stop thinking about that and perhaps about puppies for a minute or so to restore balance.


Well, what can we expect, this was the party that claimed that last month's job numbers were completely artificial, and the Obama administration cooked the books. This is likewise the same party that was claiming that Obama was using Sandy as an excuse to try and push back the publication of this month's job numbers until wednesday, because they were bad. The job numbers, that Obama can manipulate to his will, are being delayed because they look bad, apparently.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:01 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That's in you all's hands.

It's too dangerous. Signals could too easily get crossed. We don't want anyone to wake up, kick their dog and redistribute its assets.


Oh, there will be a lot of that come Wednesday morning.
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:01 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.

You forgot Comrade Christie.


Christie is not one of those Wall Street Billionaire Marxists that engages in Class Warfare attacking the wealthy and successful in promotion of their moocher lifestyle.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:03 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:You forgot Comrade Christie.


Christie is not one of those Wall Street Billionaire Marxists that engages in Class Warfare attacking the wealthy and successful in promotion of their moocher lifestyle.


It's true, Bloomberg is not a real, red blooded american capitalist like Trump.

Hey, speaking of trump, did the hairpiece with teeth make note on national TV that his deadline passed? Remember that thing about how Obama was supposed to get Trump his Columbia transcripts, instead of captaining the country through a time of national emergency?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:04 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:Well, looky here another radical Marxist is endorsing Barack Obama. Hopefully, the media promotes the truth about Obama's radical connections with first Comrade Warren and now Comrade Michael.


Climate Change=Communism, didn't you hear?

“President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet. [Pause, Laughter.] My promise is to help you and your family.”


Obviously it's impossible to tackle the economy AND the climate

Here's some of what Bloomberg said:

At the same time, Mr. Bloomberg said he might have endorsed Mr. Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, except for the fact that the Republican had abandoned positions he once publicly held.

“In the past he has taken sensible positions on immigration, illegal guns, abortion rights and health care – but he has reversed course on all of them, and is even running against the very health care model he signed into law in Massachusetts,” the mayor said of Mr. Romney.
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And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
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My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:04 pm

Yahoo is running a poll saying:

"Obama will not win the election."
"Obama will win the election, but barely."

There's no bias in those options, right?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:05 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I believe the thought they are now floating through their Talking Point Field Tester Rush Limbaugh is that these things are the subject of a little ransom/payola Obama dangled for disaster relief.

Yeah...if there's a rattling in your head right now, the best thing to do is try and stop thinking about that and perhaps about puppies for a minute or so to restore balance.


Well, what can we expect, this was the party that claimed that last month's job numbers were completely artificial, and the Obama administration cooked the books. This is likewise the same party that was claiming that Obama was using Sandy as an excuse to try and push back the publication of this month's job numbers until wednesday, because they were bad. The job numbers, that Obama can manipulate to his will, are being delayed because they look bad, apparently.

I feel like if I can just grasp the shape of that pretzel well enough, I'll be able to travel in time Star Bright style... that link just explains the obscure reference...nothing to see here...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:05 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Yahoo is running a poll saying:

"Obama will not win the election."
"Obama will win the election, but barely."

There's no bias in those options, right?

I always feel like I need to shower after visiting Yahoo.
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<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:06 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
Well, what can we expect, this was the party that claimed that last month's job numbers were completely artificial, and the Obama administration cooked the books. This is likewise the same party that was claiming that Obama was using Sandy as an excuse to try and push back the publication of this month's job numbers until wednesday, because they were bad. The job numbers, that Obama can manipulate to his will, are being delayed because they look bad, apparently.

I feel like if I can just grasp the shape of that pretzel well enough, I'll be able to travel in time Star Bright style... that link just explains the obscure reference...nothing to see here...


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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:07 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Yahoo is running a poll saying:

"Obama will not win the election."
"Obama will win the election, but barely."

There's no bias in those options, right?

Romney's not an option, eh?

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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:07 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
Christie is not one of those Wall Street Billionaire Marxists that engages in Class Warfare attacking the wealthy and successful in promotion of their moocher lifestyle.


It's true, Bloomberg is not a real, red blooded american capitalist like Trump.

Hey, speaking of trump, did the hairpiece with teeth make note on national TV that his deadline passed? Remember that thing about how Obama was supposed to get Trump his Columbia transcripts, instead of captaining the country through a time of national emergency?


True, people like Micheal Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates(who has also came out for increased taxation on the wealthy) are just jealous of Mitt Romney's success and strong business skills.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:07 pm

Farnhamia wrote:Here's some of what Bloomberg said:

At the same time, Mr. Bloomberg said he might have endorsed Mr. Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, except for the fact that the Republican had abandoned positions he once publicly held.

“In the past he has taken sensible positions on immigration, illegal guns, abortion rights and health care – but he has reversed course on all of them, and is even running against the very health care model he signed into law in Massachusetts,” the mayor said of Mr. Romney.

In other words, Progressive Mitt was a nice fellow with good, stable ideals, while Conservative Mitt is a confusing conglomerate of the desires of the ultra-conservative base and Moderate Mitt during the debates.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:08 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
Christie is not one of those Wall Street Billionaire Marxists that engages in Class Warfare attacking the wealthy and successful in promotion of their moocher lifestyle.


It's true, Bloomberg is not a real, red blooded american capitalist like Trump.

Hey, speaking of trump, did the hairpiece with teeth make note on national TV that his deadline passed? Remember that thing about how Obama was supposed to get Trump his Columbia transcripts, instead of captaining the country through a time of national emergency?

I believe he extended his deadline twelve whole hours in deference to the hurricane. And then, there was a hurricane and media outlets were not desperate enough for content as to give a shit what he says.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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