The 2012 Three Ring Circus AKA The US Presidential Election

[Revolutopia]

"The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers" Ayn Rand

"Hurry up, and give me my Social Security check!" - Ayn Rand

[Farnhamia]

"The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers" Ayn Rand

"Hurry up, and give me my Social Security check!" - Ayn Rand

"Is this where I sign up for Medicare?" - Ayn Rand

Let's not indulge the threadjacker, shall we? As tempting as answering him back is, it adds nothing to the discussion.

[Objectiveland]

"The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers" Ayn Rand

"Hurry up, and give me my Social Security check!" - Ayn Rand

"Look, if the government steals part of my salary, I am perfectly entitled to take advantage of goods and services equal to the salary it owes me. Just because we are forced at gun point by the state to pay taxes does't mean I endorse it. Kidnapping someone doesn't make them a houseguest. What happens to my money after it is stolen is far less important than the fact that it should never have been stolen in the first place!" - Me

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Well, maybe you'd be taken more seriously if you stop dropping Rand quotes at a drop of a hat, start listening to what we're saying, and stop thinking that everything is in absolutes...

“There are no absolutes,” they chatter, blanking out the fact that they are uttering an absolute. - John Galt

Kindly stop spamming other people's quotes and thoughts if you have none of your own to offer, thank you. Anyone can use Google. Not everyone can coherently debate or discuss.

[Farnhamia]

"Hurry up, and give me my Social Security check!" - Ayn Rand

"Look, if the government steals part of my salary, I am perfectly entitled to take advantage of goods and services equal to the salary it owes me. Just because we are forced at gun point by the state to pay taxes does't mean I endorse it. Kidnapping someone doesn't make them a houseguest. What happens to my money after it is stolen is far less important than the fact that it should never have been stolen in the first place!" - Me

Which has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

[Laerod]

Again, everybody gives too much credit to the voting public not having a sizeable chunk of gullible racist assholes mixed in there somewhere. That's how we got in this mess in the first place circa 2010 in the first place and given how the presidential campaign is going, that sort of tactic still works.

"In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromiser is the transmitting rubber tube."
Ayn Rand

It's nice that she outlined her strategy for fighting against all that is good and decent.

[Objectiveland]

"Look, if the government steals part of my salary, I am perfectly entitled to take advantage of goods and services equal to the salary it owes me. Just because we are forced at gun point by the state to pay taxes does't mean I endorse it. Kidnapping someone doesn't make them a houseguest. What happens to my money after it is stolen is far less important than the fact that it should never have been stolen in the first place!" - Me

Which has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Nor does your post "Is this where I sign up for Medicare?" - Ayn Rand

[Farnhamia]

Which has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Nor does your post "Is this where I sign up for Medicare?" - Ayn Rand

True enough.

[The Emerald Dawn]

So, Obama's "new" strategy is to point out that we know Double-Dutch's policies didn't work. We know Clinton's did. Romney is going to do more of Double-Dutch's, and Obama is going to do more of Clinton's.

As much as I hate to admit it, that's not the strongest message Obama could use. It just perpetuates the meme that he has no plan, and will just do what others think.

[Mavorpen]

So, Obama's "new" strategy is to point out that we know Double-Dutch's policies didn't work. We know Clinton's did. Romney is going to do more of Double-Dutch's, and Obama is going to do more of Clinton's.

As much as I hate to admit it, that's not the strongest message Obama could use. It just perpetuates the meme that he has no plan, and will just do what others think.

Obama's never really done a great job of explaining to voters what he's done and what he plans on doing. Sure, I've heard his advisers and other people tell us for him, from the man himself, not really.

[The Emerald Dawn]

So, Obama's "new" strategy is to point out that we know Double-Dutch's policies didn't work. We know Clinton's did. Romney is going to do more of Double-Dutch's, and Obama is going to do more of Clinton's.

As much as I hate to admit it, that's not the strongest message Obama could use. It just perpetuates the meme that he has no plan, and will just do what others think.

Obama's never really done a great job of explaining to voters what he's done and what he plans on doing. Sure, I've heard his advisers and other people tell us for him, from the man himself, not really.

For an orator, he kind of sucks at just talking.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Obama's never really done a great job of explaining to voters what he's done and what he plans on doing. Sure, I've heard his advisers and other people tell us for him, from the man himself, not really.

For an orator, he kind of sucks at just talking.

He talks plenty, but there's not much to say. Every time he lays out any policy proposal, his opponent just jumps in and says "Oh, I'll do that too!"

That said, he really shouldn't have to talk. As someone who follows things, I have a pretty good idea of what the president has been doing. He's basically done away with the worst of no child left behind, allowed a lot more tax credits and breaks for hiring in the USA, and is proposing to try to revert at least some of our shitty policies enacted in the 8 years before he took office to what they were when America was doing much better than it has since then. There's not a lot to say, since anyone who has half a brain knows what position we're in.

[The Emerald Dawn]

For an orator, he kind of sucks at just talking.

He talks plenty, but there's not much to say. Every time he lays out any policy proposal, his opponent just jumps in and says "Oh, I'll do that too!"

That said, he really shouldn't have to talk. As someone who follows things, I have a pretty good idea of what the president has been doing. He's basically done away with the worst of no child left behind, allowed a lot more tax credits and breaks for hiring in the USA, and is proposing to try to revert at least some of our shitty policies enacted in the 8 years before he took office to what they were when America was doing much better than it has since then. There's not a lot to say, since anyone who has half a brain knows what position we're in.

You're relying on the concept of a public who receives information from sources that do not have bias. That's really not where we're at.

[Mavorpen]

He talks plenty, but there's not much to say. Every time he lays out any policy proposal, his opponent just jumps in and says "Oh, I'll do that too!"

It's more like, "I'll do that, but on steroids!"

[New England and The Maritimes]

He talks plenty, but there's not much to say. Every time he lays out any policy proposal, his opponent just jumps in and says "Oh, I'll do that too!"

That said, he really shouldn't have to talk. As someone who follows things, I have a pretty good idea of what the president has been doing. He's basically done away with the worst of no child left behind, allowed a lot more tax credits and breaks for hiring in the USA, and is proposing to try to revert at least some of our shitty policies enacted in the 8 years before he took office to what they were when America was doing much better than it has since then. There's not a lot to say, since anyone who has half a brain knows what position we're in.

You're relying on the concept of a public who receives information from sources that do not have bias. That's really not where we're at.

Everything has bias. It doesn't take more than a seventh grade education to realize that you have to think about things you read instead of mindlessly parroting them. Anyone who can't understand that bias is a pervasive fact of life when your primary source of information is secondary in nature(IE goes through a middleman who aims to interpret it.) probably shouldn't be voting. That's why you listen to understand, rather than listening to immediately accept at face value.

[Tmutarakhan]

anyone who has half a brain knows what position we're in.

A supporter gushed to Adlai Stevenson, "You have the vote of every thinking person in the country!"
Without missing a beat, Adlai replied, "Too bad I need a majority."

[New England and The Maritimes]

anyone who has half a brain knows what position we're in.

A supporter gushed to Adlai Stevenson, "You have the vote of every thinking person in the country!"
Without missing a beat, Adlai replied, "Too bad I need a majority."

*sigh* C'est la vie.

[San-Silvacian]

If I could vote, I'd vote for Obama.

I'm joining the military in December, and the fact that Romney has said he'll send boots to Iran, Libya, and Syria has seriously disheartened me from even thinking him as a sane man for that matter besides his constant runarounds. They aren't even good runarounds at that.

"So whats your five point plan?"

"Well Obama is bad m'kay? And Amhurrrrrica is best country in the world m'kay?"

[Mavorpen]

If I could vote, I'd vote for Obama.

I'm joining the military in December, and the fact that Romney has said he'll send boots to Iran, Libya, and Syria has seriously disheartened me from even thinking him as a sane man for that matter besides his constant runarounds. They aren't even good runarounds at that.

"So whats your five point plan?"

"Well Obama is bad m'kay? And Amhurrrrrica is best country in the world m'kay?"

That's not really fair. He has a Five Point Plan. It's just the same shit Republicans have been pushing for years.

[New Chalcedon]

A supporter gushed to Adlai Stevenson, "You have the vote of every thinking person in the country!"
Without missing a beat, Adlai replied, "Too bad I need a majority."

*sigh* C'est la vie.

Non. C'est la democratie.

If I could vote, I'd vote for Obama.

I'm joining the military in December, and the fact that Romney has said he'll send boots to Iran, Libya, and Syria has seriously disheartened me from even thinking him as a sane man for that matter besides his constant runarounds. They aren't even good runarounds at that.

"So whats your five point plan?"

"Well Obama is bad m'kay? And Amhurrrrrica is best country in the world m'kay?"

And yet, apparently 70-75% of the military vote is going for Obama. Go figure.

[Mavorpen]

And yet, apparently 70-75% of the military vote is going for Obama. Go figure.

That reminds me of when one conservative tried to claim that Obama's trying to disenfranchise military voters on Bill Maher's show.

[New England and The Maritimes]

And yet, apparently 70-75% of the military vote is going for Obama. Go figure.

That reminds me of when one conservative tried to claim that Obama's trying to disenfranchise military voters on Bill Maher's show.

They say it everywhere, incessantly, and never provide any evidence or background except that claim.

[New Chalcedon]

If I could vote, I'd vote for Obama.

I'm joining the military in December, and the fact that Romney has said he'll send boots to Iran, Libya, and Syria has seriously disheartened me from even thinking him as a sane man for that matter besides his constant runarounds. They aren't even good runarounds at that.

"So whats your five point plan?"

"Well Obama is bad m'kay? And Amhurrrrrica is best country in the world m'kay?"

That's not really fair. He has a Five Point Plan. It's just the same shit Republicans have been pushing for years.

At least he's a bit more honest- Mitt's not even pretending to be "compassionately conservative" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), unless there's a photo-op involved.

[Cannot think of a name]

If I could vote, I'd vote for Obama.

I'm joining the military in December, and the fact that Romney has said he'll send boots to Iran, Libya, and Syria has seriously disheartened me from even thinking him as a sane man for that matter besides his constant runarounds. They aren't even good runarounds at that.

"So whats your five point plan?"

"Well Obama is bad m'kay? And Amhurrrrrica is best country in the world m'kay?"

That's not really fair. He has a Five Point Plan. It's just the same shit Republicans have been pushing for years.

What I don't like about this five point plan (among other things) is that it's more of a wish list than it is a plan.

[New Chalcedon]

That reminds me of when one conservative tried to claim that Obama's trying to disenfranchise military voters on Bill Maher's show.

They say it everywhere, incessantly, and never provide any evidence or background except that claim.

They don't need to - they figure that if they can repeat the charge enough, it will set the background to anything anyone else says. Kinda like the "have you stopped beating your wife yet, Sir?" opening to a cross-examination.