The 2012 Three Ring Circus AKA The US Presidential Election

[Mavorpen]

Obama isn't SPENDING 3 trillion dollars. PLEASE tell me what he implemented that cost 3 trillion dollars. Go ahead. Tally up every dime he's spent and prove he spent 3.5 trillion dollars. I NEVER said that Obama hasn't spent any money. NEVER. I said that about HALF of the deficit is due to Bush, and the other half has little to do with Obama. As Factcheck.com put it:



You lost. Get the hell over it.

Lost what? You are either willfully ignorant or you genuinely don't understand this. My whole point is summed up in your last sentence. The spike from 2008-2009 was continued by Obama for 2010, 2011, 2012... (remember my $100 to $1000 example). You want me to believe the sitting President has no control over current spending levels (or "paying levels" to you)because of the previous President? Has no contrl over the deficit because of the previous President? The only thing that keeps him from really spending like he wants is the House...What a leader Obama is!

Quote me saying this stuff. I'll be waiting.

Also, still waiting on your evidence that Obama pushed bills that cost 3 trillion dollars.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Obama isn't SPENDING 3 trillion dollars. PLEASE tell me what he implemented that cost 3 trillion dollars. Go ahead. Tally up every dime he's spent and prove he spent 3.5 trillion dollars. I NEVER said that Obama hasn't spent any money. NEVER. I said that about HALF of the deficit is due to Bush, and the other half has little to do with Obama. As Factcheck.com put it:



You lost. Get the hell over it.

Lost what? You are either willfully ignorant or you genuinely don't understand this. My whole point is summed up in your last sentence. The spike from 2008-2009 was continued by Obama for 2010, 2011, 2012... (remember my $100 to $1000 example). You want me to believe the sitting President has no control over current spending levels (or "paying levels" to you)because of the previous President? Has no contrl over the deficit because of the previous President? The only thing that keeps him from really spending like he wants is the House...What a leader Obama is!

Even if, and that's a big if, Mav is saying what you are intimating, I'd llike to point out that the policies put in place to control the scale of the depression are only 5.8% of the total budget. Which then levels out. And then begins to decline. Meaning that Obama managed to use 5.8% of a budget to begin to tame the other 94.2% of the budget AND the depression.

No one here is taking you seriously.

[Objectiveland]

"The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers" Ayn Rand

[Mavorpen]

"The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers" Ayn Rand

"The private market has no source of revenue, except for the purchases paid for by the consumers."- Mavorpen

Please, continue giving us quotes by an idiot who states the obvious and pretends like it means anything.

[Objectiveland]

Lost what? You are either willfully ignorant or you genuinely don't understand this. My whole point is summed up in your last sentence. The spike from 2008-2009 was continued by Obama for 2010, 2011, 2012... (remember my $100 to $1000 example). You want me to believe the sitting President has no control over current spending levels (or "paying levels" to you)because of the previous President? Has no contrl over the deficit because of the previous President? The only thing that keeps him from really spending like he wants is the House...What a leader Obama is!

Quote me saying this stuff. I'll be waiting.

Also, still waiting on your evidence that Obama pushed bills that cost 3 trillion dollars.

It's Bush's fault! How predictable! What a leader! If nothing is his fault why can't he reduce the deficit? Oh yes the Bush tax cuts and those aren't his fault either. What a leader! What is he in control of?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Ok, let's ignore Captain Jacks McThread, and focus on the actual point of the thread.

Romney is shooting himself in his "no-no zone" with this campaigning through Sandy. This is somehow still playing well in Florida.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

[Cannot think of a name]

"The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers" Ayn Rand

So?

The sky isn't blue except for the refraction of blue light from the sun. -high school science teacher.

You know who created the government and the need for income? Producers. Producers who needed a stable currency, trade routes, protection, a legal structure to settle disputes, a stable customer base that had its basic needs settled so it could buy things instead of having to grow or find food from sun up to sun down, all the other things that allow them to become 'producers' instead of hunters and gatherers.

When they needed roads, train lines...they didn't 'produce' it themselves, they didn't have it 'imposed' on them by the government, they petitioned the government to provide them.

You can't simultaneously demand that an organization you created do your bidding but without your contribution.

Unless you're 12.

[Mavorpen]

It's Bush's fault! How predictable! What a leader! If nothing is his fault why can't he reduce the deficit? Oh yes the Bush tax cuts and those aren't his fault either. What a leader! What is he in control of?

Quote me saying this.

I'll be waiting.

[Cannot think of a name]

Ok, let's ignore Captain Jacks McThread, and focus on the actual point of the thread.

Romney is shooting himself in his "no-no zone" with this campaigning through Sandy. This is somehow still playing well in Florida.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

I think it might be just a lag in poll response times, based on nothing other than the change to pink at 538 for Florida.

[Objectiveland]

No one here is taking you seriously.

That's because the kool aid has clouded your judgement. "Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it—that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life—that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another." Ayn Rand

[New England and The Maritimes]

Ok, let's ignore Captain Jacks McThread, and focus on the actual point of the thread.

Romney is shooting himself in his "no-no zone" with this campaigning through Sandy. This is somehow still playing well in Florida.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

I think it might be just a lag in poll response times, based on nothing other than the change to pink at 538 for Florida.

Polls seem to be a bit biased toward Republicans lately. Skewed a few points and all that. I don't see it as all that likely that Romney will win here in Florida.

[Mavorpen]

No one here is taking you seriously.

That's because the kool aid has clouded your judgement. "Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it—that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life—that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another." Ayn Rand

Wrong, computers.

[Khadgar]

Ok, let's ignore Captain Jacks McThread, and focus on the actual point of the thread.

Romney is shooting himself in his "no-no zone" with this campaigning through Sandy. This is somehow still playing well in Florida.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

I think it might be just a lag in poll response times, based on nothing other than the change to pink at 538 for Florida.

I personally never underestimate the short sightedness of people.

[Khadgar]

That's because the kool aid has clouded your judgement. "Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it—that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life—that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another." Ayn Rand

Wrong, computers.

We all know Rand was an idiot, no real need to keep going over it.

[Individuality-ness]

No one here is taking you seriously.

That's because the kool aid has clouded your judgement. "Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it—that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life—that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another." Ayn Rand

Well, maybe you'd be taken more seriously if you stop dropping Rand quotes at a drop of a hat, start listening to what we're saying, and stop thinking that everything is in absolutes...

[Mavorpen]

Wrong, computers.

We all know Rand was an idiot, no real need to keep going over it.

I also find it hilarious he posted a quote saying that, yet at least 50% of his posts are just Ayn Rand quotes.

[Farnhamia]

That's because the kool aid has clouded your judgement. "Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it—that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life—that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another." Ayn Rand

Well, maybe you'd be taken more seriously if you stop dropping Rand quotes at a drop of a hat, start listening to what we're saying, and stop thinking that everything is in absolutes...

Don't you find that quote rather ironic, though?

[Mavorpen]

Well, maybe you'd be taken more seriously if you stop dropping Rand quotes at a drop of a hat, start listening to what we're saying, and stop thinking that everything is in absolutes...

Don't you find that quote rather ironic, though?

Ninja'd so hard.

[Khadgar]

We all know Rand was an idiot, no real need to keep going over it.

I also find it hilarious he posted a quote saying that, yet at least 50% of his posts are just Ayn Rand quotes.

That he's apparently unironic about it is sad.

[Individuality-ness]

Well, maybe you'd be taken more seriously if you stop dropping Rand quotes at a drop of a hat, start listening to what we're saying, and stop thinking that everything is in absolutes...

Don't you find that quote rather ironic, though?

I do. I doubt that Objectiveland will see the irony of this though.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I think it might be just a lag in poll response times, based on nothing other than the change to pink at 538 for Florida.

I personally never underestimate the short sightedness of people.

There obviously will be people who will support Romney because he's Republican. They'd support a Republican if he was the second coming of Pol Pot. However, how much of the character of this invertebrate do we need to put out there before people start moving Port-ward?

[Farnhamia]

Don't you find that quote rather ironic, though?

Ninja'd so hard.

*makes a note on a hand-held device*

[Mavorpen]

I personally never underestimate the short sightedness of people.

There obviously will be people who will support Romney because he's Republican. They'd support a Republican if he was the second coming of Pol Pot. However, how much of the character of this invertebrate do we need to put out there before people start moving Port-ward?

Mitt becomes black?

[Objectiveland]

That's because the kool aid has clouded your judgement. "Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it—that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life—that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another." Ayn Rand

Well, maybe you'd be taken more seriously if you stop dropping Rand quotes at a drop of a hat, start listening to what we're saying, and stop thinking that everything is in absolutes...

“There are no absolutes,” they chatter, blanking out the fact that they are uttering an absolute. - John Galt

[The Emerald Dawn]

There obviously will be people who will support Romney because he's Republican. They'd support a Republican if he was the second coming of Pol Pot. However, how much of the character of this invertebrate do we need to put out there before people start moving Port-ward?

Mitt becomes black?

He tried that before the Univision interview.