The 2012 Three Ring Circus AKA The US Presidential Election

[Neutraligon]

...Sigh, and I liked that question to. Must find a better one when (if) we stop.

I did, too, and I was looking forward to hearing what Trevor had to say about it. Before he went away, though, he was dancing around the question so it may be that he didn't have much to say to begin with.

I don't even know what the movie is about (off to Wikipedia). Although I am not really sure I understood any of Trevor's comments. Is there anyone here who can interpret for me?

[Choronzon]

I did, too, and I was looking forward to hearing what Trevor had to say about it. Before he went away, though, he was dancing around the question so it may be that he didn't have much to say to begin with.

I don't even know what the movie is about (off to Wikipedia). Although I am not really sure I understood any of Trevor's comments. Is there anyone here who can interpret for me?

Obama is bad.

[Farnhamia]

I did, too, and I was looking forward to hearing what Trevor had to say about it. Before he went away, though, he was dancing around the question so it may be that he didn't have much to say to begin with.

I don't even know what the movie is about (off to Wikipedia). Although I am not really sure I understood any of Trevor's comments. Is there anyone here who can interpret for me?

I can try. The Wiki article should give you some idea of what the movie's about.

[Neutraligon]

I don't even know what the movie is about (off to Wikipedia). Although I am not really sure I understood any of Trevor's comments. Is there anyone here who can interpret for me?

I can try. The Wiki article should give you some idea of what the movie's about.

Got it, seems to be a bunch of conspiracy tales. I'm not really sure what to say except that based on Trevor's reaction to it, the movie has done what it was trying to do. Farn, please do interpret the rest of Trevor's comments.

[Blouman Empire]

I do find it amusing that in the unscientific online Fox poll, Obama is beating Romney by a healthy margin. 66-33, last I checked.

Part of me wonders how many non-FOX viewers go vote in FOX online polls just to fuck with them.

I'm pretty sure a large number of Obama supporters watch Fox News

[Choronzon]

I can try. The Wiki article should give you some idea of what the movie's about.

Got it, seems to be a bunch of conspiracy tales. I'm not really sure what to say except that based on Trevor's reaction to it, the movie has done what it was trying to do. Farn, please do interpret the rest of Trevor's comments.

Theres a book out there along the same lines by the same guy. We have it at the library I work at. To summarize, parents influence their children's views, and Obama's dad was different so we can't trust Obama, who is a socialist Kenyan out to destroy America and take our white women.

[Choronzon]

Part of me wonders how many non-FOX viewers go vote in FOX online polls just to fuck with them.

I'm pretty sure a large number of Obama supporters watch Fox News

I'm pretty sure they don't, and unless you have a source you're making things up.

Let me guess BE, Fox is Fair and Balanced right? Why wouldn't they watch it?!

[Neutraligon]

Got it, seems to be a bunch of conspiracy tales. I'm not really sure what to say except that based on Trevor's reaction to it, the movie has done what it was trying to do. Farn, please do interpret the rest of Trevor's comments.

Theres a book out there along the same lines by the same guy. We have it at the library I work at. To summarize, parents influence their children's views, and Obama's dad was different so we can't trust Obama, who is a socialist Kenyan out to destroy America and take our white women.

I was asking about Trevor's posts, which I can't make heads or tails of, not the movie.

[Neutraligon]

I'm pretty sure a large number of Obama supporters watch Fox News

I'm pretty sure they don't, and unless you have a source you're making things up.

Let me guess BE, Fox is Fair and Balanced right? Why wouldn't they watch it?!

It is a good idea to see what the opposition is saying, and Fox news is essentially the opposition.

[Choronzon]

Theres a book out there along the same lines by the same guy. We have it at the library I work at. To summarize, parents influence their children's views, and Obama's dad was different so we can't trust Obama, who is a socialist Kenyan out to destroy America and take our white women.

I was asking about Trevor's posts, which I can't make heads or tails of, not the movie.

I'm aware.

I was summarizing the movie for you anyway. I haven't seen or read anything about the movie but I have done a little digging into the book. I thought Id share my insights.

[Neutraligon]

I was asking about Trevor's posts, which I can't make heads or tails of, not the movie.

I'm aware.

I was summarizing the movie for you anyway. I haven't seen or read anything about the movie but I have done a little digging into the book. I thought Id share my insights.

Ah thanks.

[Blouman Empire]

I'm pretty sure a large number of Obama supporters watch Fox News

I'm pretty sure they don't, and unless you have a source you're making things up.

No, just an observation on a large number of Obama supporters and Democrats or at the very least anti-Fox and anti-Republican people I know and many Generalities seem to watch it. Probably so they can find ways to criticise it, it seems to help a certain type of people to find things to complain about and be angry at. It would also explain why we always see what Fox has misreported, if only pro-Fox people watched it they wouldn't point out the failings.

Let me guess BE, Fox is Fair and Balanced right? Why wouldn't they watch it?!

*Yawn* be gone with your silliness, I don't watch any mainstream news outlets let alone Fox.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I do find it amusing that in the unscientific online Fox poll, Obama is beating Romney by a healthy margin. 66-33, last I checked.

Part of me wonders how many non-FOX viewers go vote in FOX online polls just to fuck with them.

Thank Tumblr for that.

*shudders*

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I've decided to put this one here rather than the debate thread based on a mental coin toss.

Tagg Romney says that he wanted to "Take a swing" at Obama during the debate. He also lets slip that his father is "terrified" before debates.

Just careless talk, but I think that Romney's advisers will make sure that Tagg takes a step back in his Dad's campaign.

[The Black Forrest]

I've decided to put this one here rather than the debate thread based on a mental coin toss.

Tagg Romney says that he wanted to "Take a swing" at Obama during the debate. He also lets slip that his father is "terrified" before debates.

Just careless talk, but I think that Romney's advisers will make sure that Tagg takes a step back in his Dad's campaign.

Well Tagg can suck it. His old man is a proven liar.

Guess he has anger issues like his old man. Wonder if he was born with a platinum spoon like his old man?

[Wikkiwallana]

Poe's fucking Law

Oh yeah,remember last night about the Energy issue and Obama said something that a pipeline built around the earth, That is just BS and a political asshole and who I am I talking about-Obama.
P.S. go see 2016 Obama's America and stop being lazy and brainwashed by him.

Sorry, if a movie is going to present a fantasy land to me, it better label itself as fiction.

[Choronzon]

No just an observation on a large number of Obama supporters and Democrats

So...you have nothing.

So...when you said that Obama supporters watch FOX you were totally and completely full of shit.

Good to know.

or at the very least anti-Fox and anti-Republican people I know and many Generalities seem to watch it.

The Republican ones

Probably so they can find ways to criticise it,

You don't have to actually watch FOX for that.

it seems to help a certain type of people to find things to complain about and be angry at.

How dare people point out when FOX is blatantly lying or behaving in an unjournalistic manner when they claim to be journalists! How dare those big mean people point out that if you're going to call yourselves the far and balanced network you should actually strive to uphold that!

It would also explain why we always see what Fox has misreported, if only pro-Fox people watched it they wouldn't point out the failings.

This does not indicate this:

I'm pretty sure a large number of Obama supporters watch Fox News

[Tlaceceyaya]

Poe's fucking Law

Oh yeah,remember last night about the Energy issue and Obama said something that a pipeline built around the earth, That is just BS and a political asshole and who I am I talking about-Obama.
P.S. go see 2016 Obama's America and stop being lazy and brainwashed by him.

No one actually addressed the pipeline bit except to simply say that he misinterpreted it?

When he said that bit about a pipeline around the earth, he meant that there were so many oil pipelines in the US that, if you connected them all together and make them go along the same degree of latitude, you would go around the earth.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Oh yeah,remember last night about the Energy issue and Obama said something that a pipeline built around the earth, That is just BS and a political asshole and who I am I talking about-Obama.
P.S. go see 2016 Obama's America and stop being lazy and brainwashed by him.

No one actually addressed the pipeline bit except to simply say that he misinterpreted it?

When he said that bit about a pipeline around the earth, he meant that there were so many oil pipelines in the US that, if you connected them all together and make them go along the same degree of latitude, you would go around the earth.

As far as I can tell, no one addressed it because his complaint was nigh-incomprehensible.

[Aryavartha]

Dinesh D'Souza is a douche. A smart douche. He saw a market for peddling crap to the fox news crowd and probably made a lot of money from a cheap production.

And the bright people who watched it..I mean the man was president for four years and people need to see how he grew up to understand what he believes in and might do in his NEXT four years

[PapaJacky]

No one actually addressed the pipeline bit except to simply say that he misinterpreted it?

When he said that bit about a pipeline around the earth, he meant that there were so many oil pipelines in the US that, if you connected them all together and make them go along the same degree of latitude, you would go around the earth.

As far as I can tell, no one addressed it because his complaint was nigh-incomprehensible.

As far as I can tell, Obama's view of the pipeline is based on a "starve the beast" mentality, whereby the forcing an increase of domestic oil production in order to drain our domestic reserves so that we rely on importers, let them be from Canada, Mexico, Russia or Saudi Arabia, which forces the oil "question" into a zone of geopolitics where the only way to circumvent ever rising gas prices is by the procurement of energy efficient cars.

I can see some merit in this, we've increased domestic production by 200mbl since 2006, while decreasing imports by 800mbl since 2006 as well. At current rates of extraction (about 2bbl a year), we should run out of oil in 11 years ([1]/[2]). We're importing 4.2bbl annually, 1.5bbl of which from Canada and Mexico alone[3], which means that the transition point from relative dependency (of which we are in now) to absolute dependency should (without looking up future production predictions for oil countries world wide) be within the coming decade or so. It should be noted however, that imports from Canada in particular has only increased since 2006.

But in any case, it could be just the President's plan to indirectly subsidizing the high-tech automobile industry by cockblocking the Keystone pipeline as well as increasing production on Federal lands and (not) cutting subsidies for oil companies (which I should mention, subsidize some oil companies so much that they actually end up paying a negative income tax, yes, they're apart of the 47%, if you consider them human beings), which in turn creates a "new normal" for gas prices (though I should mention that in terms of real currency, Bush increased gasoline prices by 86%, compared to Obama's 45%, this again by the way, is assuming the President is the Master upon Gods[4]) and thus incentivizes the purchase of fuel efficient cars.

For example, the average small car in the U.S. got combined 23.8 MPG in 2009[5]. The most fuel efficient petrol car in the U.S. (shamefully, the Ford Fiesta ECOnetic isn't available here) is the Honda CR-Z, which gets 37 MPG combined[6]. So, that's a 13.2 MPG efficiency bonus. The average American person drives about 13,000 miles a year[6]. In today's currency, a gallon of gas was $3.82 on the 15th of October[7]. Basic math then shows us that the average small car (which gets ~24 MPG), would use 566 gallons of gas in a year, compared to the CR-Z, which would use 365 gallons a year. Assuming the price of gas is stable (it isn't, but annual average for 2012 isn't out yet so), that means that the average small car owner would pay $2,162 a year for gas, compared to the $1,391 a year that the Honda CR-Z owner would pay, a $771 saving. This by the way, is more money than the pay roll tax cut that Obama gave us with his ARRA stimulus package.

(Because I love the Ford Fiesta ECOnetic, which gets 71 MPG, I'll give you it's stats. 190 gallons of diesel a year, which at current diesel prices of $4.15, means $787 in fuel costs, which means a net savings in comparison to the average small car of $1,375 a year. This ain't magic folks, this is Ford.)

But yeah. I side tracked by to summarize:

-Perhaps part of a "starving the beast" strategy being employed against Big Oil
-That in turn creates demand for energy efficient cars as a byproduct
-Energy efficient cars > not energy efficient cars

By the way, the Fiesta ECOnetic costs $25,000 and gets 71 miles to the gallon while emitting less CO2 than a Prius[8]. Ford declined to sell the ECOnetic model in the U.S., and instead, opted to sell the generic gas-fueled model which gets MPGs in the mid-30's. Shame.

[New Chalcedon]

Poe's fucking Law

Oh yeah,remember last night about the Energy issue and Obama said something that a pipeline built around the earth, That is just BS and a political asshole and who I am I talking about-Obama.
P.S. go see 2016 Obama's America and stop being lazy and brainwashed by him.

2016: Obama's America is a stellar piece of brainwashing - by the Right.

As to the first part of your "argument", I trust you're referring to the statement wherein Obama claimed "We've added enough new oil and gas pipeline to circle the Earth and then some"?

Guess what? He's right. In the first two years of Obama's Presidency, the USA has added 29,604 additional miles of oil and gas pipelines. Given that the Earth's circumference is 24,873.6 miles, he is entirely correct: the USA has, under Obama's Presidency, added enough new oil and gas pipelines to circle the Earth, and then some on top.

But, judging from the style and content of your posts in this and other threads, facts and reality mean nothing to you. So go on, dreaming your paranoid, delusional nightmares of Obama as some anti-American President, "informed" by an extreme right-wing hit piece on him.

Just don't expect anyone to treat you with any more respect than your arguments merit.

[PapaJacky]

Oh yeah,remember last night about the Energy issue and Obama said something that a pipeline built around the earth, That is just BS and a political asshole and who I am I talking about-Obama.
P.S. go see 2016 Obama's America and stop being lazy and brainwashed by him.

2016: Obama's America is a stellar piece of brainwashing - by the Right.

As to the first part of your "argument", I trust you're referring to the statement wherein Obama claimed "We've added enough new oil and gas pipeline to circle the Earth and then some"?

Guess what? He's right. In the first two years of Obama's Presidency, the USA has added 29,604 additional miles of oil and gas pipelines. Given that the Earth's circumference is 24,873.6 miles, he is entirely correct: the USA has, under Obama's Presidency, added enough new oil and gas pipelines to circle the Earth, and then some on top.

But, judging from the style and content of your posts in this and other threads, facts and reality mean nothing to you. So go on, dreaming your paranoid, delusional nightmares of Obama as some anti-American President, "informed" by an extreme right-wing hit piece on him.

Just don't expect anyone to treat you with any more respect than your arguments merit.

Should also note that Renewable energy production has increased by 28% from 2008-2011 (for reference, Bush Jr. increased renewable production by 18% from 2000-2008)[1], the price for peak watt for photovoltaic cells have decreased by 41% from 2008-2010 (again for reference, they decreased in prices by 19% from 2000-2009)[2]. Domestic oil production have also increased under Obama (in fact, on a monthly basis, in July of 2012, we were producing the same amount of oil that we were producing July of 1998)[3]. The same trend is true even when measured on an annual basis, though to a lesser extent. While that was happening (like I mentioned above), our oil imports have declined under Obama, reaching import levels we were at in 2000[4]. Natural gas has also boomed under Obama, growing 3.8% in production since his inception, compared to an annual average of growth of 0.75% under Bush jr.[5]. Coal and Nuclear were the only major letdown, with nuclear being (mostly) dead in the water and coal production declining 6.6% under Obama (9.1% growth under Bush jr.)[6].

So yeah, "all of the above" could do better, but frankly, if Romney's proposal is that "I could do slightly better", then jokes.

[New Chalcedon]

2016: Obama's America is a stellar piece of brainwashing - by the Right.

As to the first part of your "argument", I trust you're referring to the statement wherein Obama claimed "We've added enough new oil and gas pipeline to circle the Earth and then some"?

Guess what? He's right. In the first two years of Obama's Presidency, the USA has added 29,604 additional miles of oil and gas pipelines. Given that the Earth's circumference is 24,873.6 miles, he is entirely correct: the USA has, under Obama's Presidency, added enough new oil and gas pipelines to circle the Earth, and then some on top.

But, judging from the style and content of your posts in this and other threads, facts and reality mean nothing to you. So go on, dreaming your paranoid, delusional nightmares of Obama as some anti-American President, "informed" by an extreme right-wing hit piece on him.

Just don't expect anyone to treat you with any more respect than your arguments merit.

Should also note that Renewable energy production has increased by 28% from 2008-2011 (for reference, Bush Jr. increased renewable production by 18% from 2000-2008)[1], the price for peak watt for photovoltaic cells have decreased by 41% from 2008-2010 (again for reference, they decreased in prices by 19% from 2000-2009)[2]. Domestic oil production have also increased under Obama (in fact, on a monthly basis, in July of 2012, we were producing the same amount of oil that we were producing July of 1998)[3]. The same trend is true even when measured on an annual basis, though to a lesser extent. While that was happening (like I mentioned above), our oil imports have declined under Obama, reaching import levels we were at in 2000[4]. Natural gas has also boomed under Obama, growing 3.8% in production since his inception, compared to an annual average of growth of 0.75% under Bush jr.[5]. Coal and Nuclear were the only major letdown, with nuclear being (mostly) dead in the water and coal production declining 6.6% under Obama (9.1% growth under Bush jr.)[6].

So yeah, "all of the above" could do better, but frankly, if Romney's proposal is that "I could do slightly better", then jokes.

Romney's proposal is "I could do that slightly better, while at the same time strangling the renewables industry."

[Free South Califas]

Ah good, NSG progressives have moved on from having fun at the expense of impoverished sex workers and people with developmental disabilities, presumably to brew up the next piercing, conscious satire which will really put those uppity immigrants in their place--or will it be the queers? Then we can all gather round to skewer the sweatshop workers. Haha, they’re dirty and they have low standards for opportunity in the workplace!

Oh, whatever will these enlightened humanitarians think of next?