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Who do you want to win?

President Barack Obama
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42%
Governor Mitt Romney
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18%
A third party candidate
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Who cares and/or I ain't American
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7%
It doesn't matter as the Mods are gonna launch their coup any time now and I for one welcome our Modly overlords
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Total votes : 1009

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The Republican Brain Drain

Postby Khadgar » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:38 am

Excellent article by Richard Cohen about the race:

The Republican Brain Drain


By Richard Cohen,

In 1980 Ronald Reagan won the Republican nomination. He beat a future president, George H.W. Bush; two future Senate majority leaders, Howard Baker and Bob Dole; and two lesser-known congressmen. This year Mitt Romney won the GOP nomination. He beat a radio host, a disgraced former House speaker, a defeated Senate candidate, a former appointee of the Obama administration, a tongue-tied Texas governor, a prevaricating religious zealot who happens to serve in the House of Representatives and a cranky libertarian doctor. Where did all the talent go?

Until the Republican Party can answer this question, it makes no sense to continue to carp about Mitt Romney and the startlingly incompetent presidential campaign he’s running. His faults as a politician are manifest. He is robotic, unknowable (his own wife asserted at the national convention that “he made me laugh” and then failed to cite a single humorous moment), ideologically incoherent and severely out of touch with the average American. He is his party’s nominee because, like the one-eyed man in the valley of the blind, he is just the best of the worst.

Since Republicans are so focused on the individual and not on the system that produced him, they miss the real problem. The system in this case is the series of incredibly damaging primaries and caucuses that, in the crucial early stages, produce a candidate who could sweep Bavaria. The Iowa caucuses alone take the GOP so far to the right that it all but dooms the winner. Romney had to vow to stop thinking. He had to virtually declare himself anti-Hispanic (criticizing Texas for providing tuition discounts to the college-age children of illegal immigrants). While he has now moderated his approach, it is a bit late. Hispanic is not Spanish for Stupid.

Across the board, Romney pandered to the right. He did so on guns, abortion and even Iran. A GOP candidate has to oppose same-sex marriage, deny global warming and insist — against all evidence — that local control of education is the best. The only way around these positions is to skip the Iowa caucuses entirely. It is no place for a moderate. It is, really, no place for a thinking person. It’s just preposterous that Iowa — 30th in population among the states — gets to be the gatekeeper for the Republican Party and, in a sense, the entire nation.

The list of Republicans who looked at Iowa’s daunting demographics and did not run is more distinguished than those who did. At one time or another, Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain (who was forced to drop out) were front-runners. Can you think of any two people less qualified for the presidency? How about Ron Paul, another front-runner, or Mad Newt Gingrich or Rick Perry, the cement-mouthed governor who would eliminate three Cabinet offices, if only he could remember them? How about Rick Santorum, a fun guy, who actually beat Romney in Iowa, or Jon Huntsman, a decent man with shallow political experience — and, it seemed, aptitude?

None of these candidates were remotely qualified for the highest office in the land. Arguably, Romney was the exception — and that’s the whole point. He won just by showing up. He beat a bunch of nobodies. This is how the GOP wound up with such a weak candidate, one who espouses extreme positions he does not for a moment believe.

Open the window and listen. You will hear the moans and groans of Republican officials and their trained pundits. But where were these people when their field of oddballs was being assembled? Why were they so silent when Hispanics and women were being told to shove it and the long-dead Darwin was being debated? More to the point, maybe, how come they put up with a primary and caucus system — Iowa first, New Hampshire second — that seemingly was designed by a sly Democrat? The answer is that they do not have the courage nor the intellectual integrity to stand up to the know-nothing (dominant) wing of the Republican Party. They have designed a system where, politically speaking, the lowest common denominator wins. We are all the poorer for it.

Contrast the candidates of yore with the collection that took the field this year. The Republican Party has had a brain drain so that now its highest intellectual achievement is — like an infant in the Terrible 2s— simply to say no to everything, especially taxes. To paraphrase Marx, rise up, GOP moderates. You have nothing to lose . . . but losing.

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My only concern is that he's slandering two year olds. They're usually more coherent than Romney.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:54 am

ABC Headline states wrote:Mitt Romney lowers debate expectations


I honestly do not think that is possible, ABC. I honestly do not.

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Postby Northern Dominus » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:37 am

Laerod wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:Paul Ryan is a bigoted bourgeoisie asshole?

Shocking I tell ya.

This seems to be an amplified repeat of 2008. You have the presidential candidate who was more agreeable a few years ago because they seemed human taking a rather extreme tack to the right, who then choses a running mate who the American Taliban adores blindly like a messiah while simultaniously sending the rest of the nation into WTF-isms.

To be honest, McCain didn't compromise his integrity to the degree that Romney does, assuming for the sake of argument that you could credit Romney with McCainesque integrity.
I dunno, the McCain of 2000 was gone for certain, and replaced by this:

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:36 am

Long Story Short. Romney is investing in China, Obama's ad calls Romney hypocrite. Romney's team responds to that by calling Obama a hypocrite. Obama is a hypocrite because he has not "stood tough" against China at American workers cost. Obama has not yet responded with, "And you profit from that decision Mr. Romney, care to explain that?"

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:38 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Long Story Short. Romney is investing in China, Obama's ad calls Romney hypocrite. Romney's team responds to that by calling Obama a hypocrite. Obama is a hypocrite because he has not "stood tough" against China at American workers cost. Obama has not yet responded with, "And you profit from that decision Mr. Romney, care to explain that?"


Except of course that Romney is lying (I know, that's shocking).

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:40 am

Khadgar wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Long Story Short. Romney is investing in China, Obama's ad calls Romney hypocrite. Romney's team responds to that by calling Obama a hypocrite. Obama is a hypocrite because he has not "stood tough" against China at American workers cost. Obama has not yet responded with, "And you profit from that decision Mr. Romney, care to explain that?"


Except of course that Romney is lying (I know, that's shocking).

Damn, Khadgar, you and your whiskers always gotta One Up Mushroom me. :lol:

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:42 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Except of course that Romney is lying (I know, that's shocking).

Damn, Khadgar, you and your whiskers always gotta One Up Mushroom me. :lol:


Years of long practice, though I have to say Romney is the easiest target I've ever seen. I don't think that idiot can put two sentences together without lying four times and contradicting himself twice.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:48 am

Why Mitt Romney Is Slipping
New York Times wrote:Mitt Romney said in an interview aired on Sunday that his campaign “doesn’t need a turnaround.” He told CBS News’s “60 Minutes” that he is tied with President Obama; he has a “very effective campaign; it’s doing a very good job;” and all he needs to do to win is keep repeating his plan to restore economic freedom.

That’s an outright denial of political reality, but Mr. Romney’s willingness to stray from the truth is at the root of what’s really going on. His campaign has been losing ground since the two political conventions. All the reliable national polls now show Mr. Obama ahead, and in two cases substantially so — beyond the margin of error. A variety of polls also shows Mr. Obama with growing leads in most of the important swing states.

To some extent, Mr. Romney’s diminishing stature is because of two recent statements that revealed his deficiencies to a newly interested audience. He falsely suggested that the Obama administration was sympathetic to the violent Muslim protests in Libya and Egypt, illustrating his ignorant and opportunistic critique of foreign policy. And he was caught on video belittling nearly half the country for an overreliance on government handouts.

These moments, though, were not fumbles or gaffes. They were entirely consistent with the dismissive attitude Mr. Romney has routinely shown toward non-Americans or the nonrich. Now even long-undecided voters are starting to catch on and dismiss him.

In Wisconsin, for example, a hotly contested state that has veered Republican in recent elections, Mr. Obama leads Mr. Romney by 17 points when voters are asked who cares about their needs and problems, according to a Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News poll published last week of likely voters. The poll found that only 10 percent of voters said his policies would favor the middle class. (This poll was taken before the video showing his disdain for 47 percent of the country.)

Voters don’t react positively when a candidate speaks incomprehensibly about taxes, as Mr. Romney did on “60 Minutes.” He said he would lower everyone’s tax rate by 20 percent but that everyone would wind up paying essentially the same taxes because he would limit unspecified deductions and exemptions. Even on its face, that makes little sense. If everyone will pay the same taxes, how does that stimulate growth or reduce unfairness? In fact, tax experts say the rate cut is such a huge benefit for the rich that it can’t be balanced by curbing their deductions. But listeners don’t have to do the math to calculate how fundamentally hollow the proposal is.

Asked about the government’s responsibility to the 50 million Americans without health insurance, Mr. Romney said they already have access to health care: in emergency rooms. That, of course, is the most expensive and least effective way of providing care, as someone who once advocated universal care has reason to know. But it also reeks of contempt for those left behind by the current insurance system, suggesting that they must suffer with illness until the point where they need an ambulance.

Mr. Romney is free to pursue this shallow, cavalier campaign for six more weeks, but he shouldn’t be surprised if voters increasingly choose not to pay attention.

Probably the most devastating take-down of the Romney campaign yet.
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Postby Feral Feline Friends » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:49 am

Eh, the Republicans don't want to get rid of Obama. Not only can they empower their base by going "look, scary black guy!" but they also have a meek Democrat that they can essentially gives them whatever they want. Obama himself has turned his back on progressives and anti-war voters while gleefully screaming "hey look white people! I hate Muslims and love big business too!"

America sucks, Americans would be better off if they were annexed by Canada ... if Canada would take them, which I doubt.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:55 am

Feral Feline Friends wrote:Eh, the Republicans don't want to get rid of Obama. Not only can they empower their base by going "look, scary black guy!" but they also have a meek Democrat that they can essentially gives them whatever they want. Obama himself has turned his back on progressives and anti-war voters while gleefully screaming "hey look white people! I hate Muslims and love big business too!"

America sucks, Americans would be better off if they were annexed by Canada ... if Canada would take them, which I doubt.

The way Harper is running things up there? No, thank you.
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Postby Feral Feline Friends » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:05 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:The way Harper is running things up there? No, thank you.


Harper is not long for the seat of power. There's at least viable options to him. In the US, you just have two parties that get more and more alike with every election. Even the Democrats have given up trying to be Democrats, thanks to Bill Clinton's "strategy" of co-opting Republican positions.

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Postby Choronzon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:27 am

Feral Feline Friends wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:The way Harper is running things up there? No, thank you.


Harper is not long for the seat of power.

Which is why he's been there for years and years right?

Again, I'll stay American, thanks. At least we don't have George Bush anymore. I'd rather not live with the Canadian version.

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Postby Feral Feline Friends » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:46 am

Choronzon wrote:
Feral Feline Friends wrote:
Harper is not long for the seat of power.

Which is why he's been there for years and years right?

Again, I'll stay American, thanks. At least we don't have George Bush anymore. I'd rather not live with the Canadian version.


Na, you just have a guy who is continuing, protecting or expanding Bush's policies.

Americans ... so silly. But, what else do you expect from a country founded by a bunch of rich white slave owners who claimed they were fighting for freedom?

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:47 am

Feral Feline Friends wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Which is why he's been there for years and years right?

Again, I'll stay American, thanks. At least we don't have George Bush anymore. I'd rather not live with the Canadian version.


Na, you just have a guy who is continuing, protecting or expanding Bush's policies.

Americans ... so silly. But, what else do you expect from a country founded by a bunch of rich white slave owners who claimed they were fighting for freedom?

[Citation Needed]

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:48 am

Feral Feline Friends wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Which is why he's been there for years and years right?

Again, I'll stay American, thanks. At least we don't have George Bush anymore. I'd rather not live with the Canadian version.


Na, you just have a guy who is continuing, protecting or expanding Bush's policies.

I've lived under both presidents. They aren't the same.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:55 am

Feral Feline Friends wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Which is why he's been there for years and years right?

Again, I'll stay American, thanks. At least we don't have George Bush anymore. I'd rather not live with the Canadian version.


Na, you just have a guy who is continuing, protecting or expanding Bush's policies.

Americans ... so silly. But, what else do you expect from a country founded by a bunch of rich white slave owners who claimed they were fighting for freedom?


Please explain in specifics how they are they same.
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:59 am

Don't feed the troll.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:00 pm

Choronzon wrote:Don't feed the troll.

SHHHH FORUM RULES MAN

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Postby Choronzon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:02 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Don't feed the troll.

SHHHH FORUM RULES MAN

I don't want what has been a perfectly good thread ruined by someone who has no idea what they're talking about and is obviously just trying to get a rise out of people.


I doubt he's even Canadian.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:03 pm

Choronzon wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:SHHHH FORUM RULES MAN

I don't want what has been a perfectly good thread ruined by someone who has no idea what they're talking about and is obviously just trying to get a rise out of people.


I doubt he's even Canadian.

You never know, he could be one of those guys from Montreal. Ooooooooooh burn.....

Yeah I'll go sit in my corner.

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Postby Choronzon » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:03 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I don't want what has been a perfectly good thread ruined by someone who has no idea what they're talking about and is obviously just trying to get a rise out of people.


I doubt he's even Canadian.

You never know, he could be one of those guys from Montreal. Ooooooooooh burn.....

Yeah I'll go sit in my corner.


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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:04 pm

I don't know if he was trolling.

I mean, he's hilariously wrong, but all the hipsters say that "All parties are the same."


Though that being said, you do know what we do to hipsters around here...

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:05 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:Though that being said, you do know what we do to hipsters around here...

I'll get the taser.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:05 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:Though that being said, you do know what we do to hipsters around here...

I'll get the taser.

I have the ice cubes and the Faraday cage.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:23 pm

So Ann Romney was on Leno last night, and apparently decided to say that Mitt was "joking" when he said he didn't know why the plane windows wouldn't roll down. She also said that she's been getting "high-fives" since her "stop being mean" statement.

Yet again, Mitt has to have his wife come out and "interpret" for the "common folks".

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