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Who do you want to win?

President Barack Obama
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42%
Governor Mitt Romney
180
18%
A third party candidate
185
18%
Who cares and/or I ain't American
75
7%
It doesn't matter as the Mods are gonna launch their coup any time now and I for one welcome our Modly overlords
146
14%
 
Total votes : 1009

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Postby Freedom of United Trevor » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:26 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
Freedom of United Trevor wrote:By leaving no child left behind.

Do you have anything on Romney's plans other than blanket statements on what (supposedly) will happen in a Romney presidency?


Yes like strong leadership.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:26 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Avenio wrote:Oy vey, Romney just doesn't know when not to insert vapid, awkward and factually-incorrect anecdotes.


You know, a motor that runs off static electricity is possible. Paul Ryan said he read about such a motor in a book by Ayn Ran.

<nods>


Hey ASB can a sitting president actually disband a union?
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Postby Freedom of United Trevor » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:27 pm

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Freedom of United Trevor wrote:Governor Chris Christie said we believe in teachers not teacher's Unions so what he meant was that kids should be the ones reaching their goals and great teachers helping them.

So you think teachers are trying not to help students?

Do you realize that the single biggest complaint teachers have is class size?

Do you realize that the reason teachers don't want huge class sizes is because it makes it impossible for them to provide students with the personal attention they need to learn?


Yes that's what I am trying to think.

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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:27 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:I've got $5 on 'socialism'.


I actually was wondering if this was just an unions are all evil, without understanding what a union is and why they exist. Unions have issues, the teacher's union being no different, but that doesn't mean we just oust them. Does anyone know if the president can disband a union?

He can't. I'm pretty sure that banning organized labor would at the very least require an act of congress and that unless our courts are hopelessly partisan, that would be ruled a violation of the freedom of assembly.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:27 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:I've got $5 on 'socialism'.


I actually was wondering if this was just an unions are all evil, without understanding what a union is and why they exist. Unions have issues, the teacher's union being no different, but that doesn't mean we just oust them. Does anyone know if the president can disband a union?

If Congress were to repeal labor's exemption from anti-trust prosecution under the Clayton Act, then unions would effectively become illegal within the United States.
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Postby Williamson » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:27 pm

so if nobody knows what romney is going to do how do you know he is even good.

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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:28 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Do you have anything on Romney's plans other than blanket statements on what (supposedly) will happen in a Romney presidency?


Yes like strong leadership.

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Postby Zanzibarnia » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:28 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
Yes like strong leadership.

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Damn you new forum rules.


Damn you ninja.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:28 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Do you have anything on Romney's plans other than blanket statements on what (supposedly) will happen in a Romney presidency?


Yes like strong leadership.


Again what will he do to be a strong leader. It really is very sad. Before the primaries, I thought Romney might be a good candidate. Then as the primaries, and than the election went on, I grew to really not like him. The final clincher is the fact that I have no idea what he actually plans to do if he becomes president. Truth be told I don't think he has thought beyond the actual election.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:30 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I actually was wondering if this was just an unions are all evil, without understanding what a union is and why they exist. Unions have issues, the teacher's union being no different, but that doesn't mean we just oust them. Does anyone know if the president can disband a union?

If Congress were to repeal labor's exemption from anti-trust prosecution under the Clayton Act, then unions would effectively become illegal within the United States.


So like anything, Congress would have to start it. If the Democrats win either the house or the senate, that sort of legislation would never pass. Even a President Romney would not be able to do anything.

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:So you think teachers are trying not to help students?

Do you realize that the single biggest complaint teachers have is class size?

Do you realize that the reason teachers don't want huge class sizes is because it makes it impossible for them to provide students with the personal attention they need to learn?


Yes that's what I am trying to think.


Wait, are you trying to think that unions don't care, or you trying to think of how to show unions don't care?
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Postby Williamson » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:33 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Do you have anything on Romney's plans other than blanket statements on what (supposedly) will happen in a Romney presidency?


Yes like strong leadership.

okay some people thought Hittler had strong leadership skiils does that mean he was the right person the lead Germany we he was the ruler.

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Postby United Dependencies » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:34 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Do you have anything on Romney's plans other than blanket statements on what (supposedly) will happen in a Romney presidency?


Yes like strong leadership.

What makes governor Romney a stronger leader that our current president? Might I remind you that our current president has made some pretty gutsy calls these past 4 years.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:34 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:If Congress were to repeal labor's exemption from anti-trust prosecution under the Clayton Act, then unions would effectively become illegal within the United States.


So like anything, Congress would have to start it. If the Democrats win either the house or the senate, that sort of legislation would never pass. Even a President Romney would not be able to do anything.


*puts on tin foil hat*

Ahh but he can accomplish one BIG thing for the cons.

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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:34 pm

Williamson wrote:
Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
Yes like strong leadership.

okay some people thought Hittler had strong leadership skiils does that mean he was the right person the lead Germany we he was the ruler.

Godwin's Law = you lose.

Besides, Hitler wasn't much of a strong leader. As soon as people started calling his bluffs everything fell apart.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:35 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Avenio wrote:Oy vey, Romney just doesn't know when not to insert vapid, awkward and factually-incorrect anecdotes.


You know, a motor that runs off static electricity is possible. Paul Ryan said he read about such a motor in a book by Ayn Ran.

<nods>


Is that the same book he keeps on a pedestal on his mantle, next to the framed portrait of Rand and the votive candles?

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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:36 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
So like anything, Congress would have to start it. If the Democrats win either the house or the senate, that sort of legislation would never pass. Even a President Romney would not be able to do anything.


*puts on tin foil hat*

Ahh but he can accomplish one BIG thing for the cons.

One or two members of SCOTUS are due to retire.

That's why I'm excited that the Democrats are going to keep the presidency and the Senate. It means that we'll have a 5-seat liberal majority within 4 years.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:37 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:A new Megathread of Obama-Romney

Governor Romney will win but its that stupid Ron Paul that he send votes to Obama BULLSHIT Paul

Mitt Romney: we don't apologize for success


Success like Steve Jobs? Of course.

Success like Mitt Romney? Fuck no.

Barack Obama: bad job since President Hoover's Depression


Hardly.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:38 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
Williamson wrote:how will he get American back to work and improve the curriculum for education.


Well by doing better than Obama on the economy and He will put students first.


It's a cute phrase but how exactly will he do that? He doesn't give details. Just the old vote me in and you will see! Trust us!
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Postby Williamson » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:39 pm

Nobody answered my question. If nobody knowes what he is planing how do you know Mitt Romeny would be a good President.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:40 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:

Okay...what are they...If you know please tell all, since no one here, or for that matter in the media, can seem to figure out what his plans actually are.


Mitt Romney will put students first and Teacher's Unions Last and Obama was bad since he left millions unemployed, Mitt Romney will get people back to work.

That's all I know.


How exactly? He will raise taxes on the middle class so the wealthy class will have more.

How exactly do you improve a consumer based economy by taking money away from the consumers?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:40 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Freedom of United Trevor wrote:A new Megathread of Obama-Romney

Governor Romney will win but its that stupid Ron Paul that he send votes to Obama BULLSHIT Paul

Mitt Romney: we don't apologize for success


Success like Steve Jobs? Of course.

Success like Mitt Romney? Fuck no.

Barack Obama: bad job since President Hoover's Depression


Hardly.


We are way passed that...but somehow we managed to get stick on the "what will Romney actually do?" faze. Why can we never get passed that fazeImage
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:40 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
Williamson wrote:by...


Getting students the chance to be the first,since when Bush spoke at the RNC he said we should reward great teachers and having kids not failing.


We teach to the test thanks to the shrub. We are not educating.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:41 pm

Freedom of United Trevor wrote:
Williamson wrote:by...


Getting students the chance to be the first,since when Bush spoke at the RNC he said we should reward great teachers and having kids not failing.


We teach to the test thanks to the shrub. We are not educating.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby United Dependencies » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:41 pm

Williamson wrote:Nobody answered my question. If nobody knowes what he is planing how do you know Mitt Romeny would be a good President.

This seems to be a recurring trend amongst the GOP on the web: "we don't know how we know what we know, but we do know that we're right."
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:42 pm

Williamson wrote:so if nobody knows what romney is going to do how do you know he is even good.

you could trust him or you could extrapolate from what he did as gov of MA
whatever

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