Storming of the US Embassies in the Middle East Mega Thread

[North Calaveras]

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lets not go into the omg Muslims are bad hate our freedoms, i don't think anyone here thinks ALL Muslims are bad, but there seems to be a trend.

Oh yeah my bad, you don't think theyre all bad. Just the vast majority.

I would say the majority(not the vast) are ignorant just like the majority of americans are ignorant.

there like super christian republicans x10 spread over a vast area of the earth.

[Inyourfaceistan]

No one has said the reaction hasn't been objectionable. Just that there is a deeper meaning behind them, and its not just OMG MOSLEMS ARE BAD AND HATE OUR FREEDOMS!!!!11!1! It would be a shame to take the wrong lessons away from this.

Really? Who is saying this?

Use of force to protect our people and bring those responsible to justice dosent automatically translate to "OMG ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD LETS NUKE THE COUNTRY!!!" So far the only time I have heard such rhetoric is from people putting words in other peoples mouths.

[Sulamalik]

lets not go into the omg Muslims are bad hate our freedoms, i don't think anyone here thinks ALL Muslims are bad, but there seems to be a trend.

I've met many Muslims I've liked. However, they tend not to take their religion to seriously.

What do you mean?

[Capitolinium]

According to the Left, yes. See my above comment about C and S America.

And see my comments about the difference between the dominant culture and the counter culture.

Now you're saying that popular culture is favorable to Christianity?

Who's lying? This is racist: well, they're poor and middle eastern. This kind of behavior should be expected. That encapsulates your puerile arguments.

No one has said that. And I see you learned a new word from me. Happy to help.

I don't think you know what it means, though.

I like throwing your words back at you. Nice attempt at a diversion, though. Okay, actually not.

And, yes, that argument has been made all over this thread.

You're being extremely disingenuous saying that no one expected a reaction to a movie that depicted the prophet Mohammad and called him a rapist, a child molester, and a murderous thug. Especially considering recent history.

No, you're being farcically apologetic about the reaction. "But, but... it's the middle east! What else can you expect?!?" Please retire that quasi-racist tosh.

[North Calaveras]

Okay then, we should riot and burn down mosques because it represents shariah law.

im kidding but seriously...

When Michigan is invaded by Iran and your culture is being replaced by an alien one you may well find people in Maryland riot when they see a film mocking Jesus released.

Libya was invaded by the US? Egpyt was invaded by the US? Yemen was invaded by the US? Tunsia was invaded by the US?

[Ralkovia]

Okay then, we should riot and burn down mosques because it represents shariah law.

im kidding but seriously...

When Michigan is invaded by Iran and your culture is being replaced by an alien one you may well find people in Maryland riot when they see a film mocking Jesus released.

Wait...what?

I didn't know the Iranians were interested in failing auto industries.

[Gravlen]

I thought you were OK with people peacefully demonstrating?

Why should those people be lumped in with the terrorists?


In India, however...

Im not lumping them in with terrorists, if the are peaceful they have no ill will from me.

Then the point isn't useless.

even if it happens in india its not happening all over a region, so what it happens in india, that's isolated, this thing is spreading ALL over the middle east and africa.

Woops, the goal posts you are moving are a bit rusty... You should give them a new coat of paint.

[Ralkovia]

I've met many Muslims I've liked. However, they tend not to take their religion to seriously.

What do you mean?

Muslim in name, not in belief.

[Sulamalik]

What do you mean?

Muslim in name, not in belief.

So they do not believe that there is one God, and Mohammed was his last prophet?

[North Calaveras]

Im not lumping them in with terrorists, if the are peaceful they have no ill will from me.

Then the point isn't useless.

even if it happens in india its not happening all over a region, so what it happens in india, that's isolated, this thing is spreading ALL over the middle east and africa.

Woops, the goal posts you are moving are a bit rusty... You should give them a new coat of paint.

the point is what that there are crazy christians? is that what you wanted to hear? there you go I north calaveras say there are crazy Christians out there, some even crazier than Muslim extremists.

[Gravlen]

I thought you were OK with people peacefully demonstrating?

Why should those people be lumped in with the terrorists?

I am. Burning the embassy down or attacking the compound is a whole other thing.

I agree.

They can protest as much as they want, but violence is not acceptable.

[Choronzon]

No one has said the reaction hasn't been objectionable. Just that there is a deeper meaning behind them, and its not just OMG MOSLEMS ARE BAD AND HATE OUR FREEDOMS!!!!11!1! It would be a shame to take the wrong lessons away from this.

Really? Who is saying this?

Use of force to protect our people and bring those responsible to justice dosent automatically translate to "OMG ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD LETS NUKE THE COUNTRY!!!" So far the only time I have heard such rhetoric is from people putting words in other peoples mouths.

Then you didn't look in some of the other threads that were around before there was a megathread. Some of these posters have made comments, and those comments do not exist in a vacuum.

I am certainly not opposed to hunting down the men involved in the Libyan attack and eliminating them. I am opposed to all the rhetoric about all these Muslims everywhere being violent terrorists, and I am opposed to any simplistic explanation which rests on the assumption that Muslims are just inherently violent towards the west and our freedoms..

[Ralkovia]

Muslim in name, not in belief.

So they do not believe that there is one God, and Mohammed was his last prophet?

I'm pretty sure they believe in G-d, however most of them drink, fuck, and have fun.

[GrandKirche]

When Michigan is invaded by Iran and your culture is being replaced by an alien one you may well find people in Maryland riot when they see a film mocking Jesus released.

Libya was invaded by the US? Egpyt was invaded by the US? Yemen was invaded by the US? Tunsia was invaded by the US?

Bombed (very recently), Government interfered with & murderous regime supported, see "Al-quida in the Arabian penninsula", Yes (WWII, tinpot dictator supported).

America has 2 default settings in the Middle East: Invade & interfere or Exploit & ingnore nature of regime, if these fail, they're part of the "Axis of evil"

[Ralkovia]

Then the point isn't useless.


Woops, the goal posts you are moving are a bit rusty... You should give them a new coat of paint.

the point is what that there are crazy christians? is that what you wanted to hear? there you go I north calaveras say there are crazy Christians out there, some even crazier than Muslim extremists.

Can I get a link to that incident in India.

[Sulamalik]

So they do not believe that there is one God, and Mohammed was his last prophet?

I'm pretty sure they believe in G-d, however most of them drink, fuck, and have fun.

So? That doesn't mean they're not Taqwa. In fact, it probably means their Taqwacore.

You are your Islam. The Mullah doesn't know what the proper Islam for everyone is.

[North Calaveras]

Libya was invaded by the US? Egpyt was invaded by the US? Yemen was invaded by the US? Tunsia was invaded by the US?

Bombed (very recently), Government interfered with & murderous regime supported, see "Al-quida in the Arabian penninsula", Yes (WWII, tinpot dictator supported).

America has 2 default settings in the Middle East: Invade & interfere or Exploit & ingnore nature of regime, if these fail, they're part of the "Axis of evil"

bombed? We did what THEY WANTED and helped get rid of Gaddafi .

[Gravlen]

Then the point isn't useless.


Woops, the goal posts you are moving are a bit rusty... You should give them a new coat of paint.

the point is what that there are crazy christians? is that what you wanted to hear? there you go I north calaveras say there are crazy Christians out there, some even crazier than Muslim extremists.

The point is that the attack on US personel seem to have been carried out by people who would have attacked regardless of the movie.

The point is also that we do see poor Christians rioting when they see bad images of Christ. It's not a thing limited to one - or indeed just two - religions. People tend to get upset when they see something they take seriously being mocked. It happens all over.

[Choronzon]

Now you're saying that popular culture is favorable to Christianity?

Yeah, it is. Thats a fact of life. Take your persecution complex elsewhere, child.

What, you thought the majority of the American public thought Piss Christ was brilliant? You think the majority of people weren't offended? You can't be that silly.

No, you're being farcically apologetic about the reaction. "But, but... it's the middle east! What else can you expect?!?" Please retire that quasi-racist tosh.

No one is being apologetic and no one is being racist. Stop lying. Rhetoric is not a substitute for facts or an argument. All anyone has done is educate you (and you apparently really, really need an education) on the cultural dynamic of the Middle East, our current relationship with and image within the Arab world, and the geopolitical climate in an attempt to curtail the OMG MOSLEMS!!1! shrieking.

[Buffett and Colbert]

It makes me sad that people can be so blinded by rage.

[Gravlen]

the point is what that there are crazy christians? is that what you wanted to hear? there you go I north calaveras say there are crazy Christians out there, some even crazier than Muslim extremists.

Can I get a link to that incident in India.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=10955120#p10955120

[Gauthier]

the point is what that there are crazy christians? is that what you wanted to hear? there you go I north calaveras say there are crazy Christians out there, some even crazier than Muslim extremists.

The point is that the attack on US personel seem to have been carried out by people who would have attacked regardless of the movie.

The point is also that we do see poor Christians rioting when they see bad images of Christ. It's not a thing limited to one - or indeed just two - religions. People tend to get upset when they see something they take seriously being mocked. It happens all over.

Which doesn't matter because those will be brushed aside when the detractors get to comparing volumes of violence. You're not violent if you don't have a bigger bodycount than Islam.

[North Calaveras]

the point is what that there are crazy christians? is that what you wanted to hear? there you go I north calaveras say there are crazy Christians out there, some even crazier than Muslim extremists.

The point is that the attack on US personel seem to have been carried out by people who would have attacked regardless of the movie.

The point is also that we do see poor Christians rioting when they see bad images of Christ. It's not a thing limited to one - or indeed just two - religions. People tend to get upset when they see something they take seriously being mocked. It happens all over.

Except it dosn't happen on nearly the same scale as it does with muslims nor with the same effects

and i already stated that if it was an attack by terrorists that dosn't account for the other riots.

[Capitolinium]

Now you're saying that popular culture is favorable to Christianity?

Yeah, it is. Thats a fact of life. Take your persecution complex elsewhere, child.

That's funny, coming from a teenager.

What, you thought the majority of the American public thought Piss Christ was brilliant? You think the majority of people weren't offended? You can't be that silly.

How many riots, arsons or deaths happened in Christian nations around the world- especially the poor ones in Central and South America? Oh, that's right. None.

No, you're being farcically apologetic about the reaction. "But, but... it's the middle east! What else can you expect?!?" Please retire that quasi-racist tosh.

No one is being apologetic and no one is being racist. Stop lying. Rhetoric is not a substitute for facts or an argument. All anyone has done is educate you (and you apparently really, really need an education) on the cultural dynamic of the Middle East, our current relationship with and image within the Arab world, and the geopolitical climate in an attempt to curtail the OMG MOSLEMS!!1! shrieking.

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How does any of this shrieking you're doing lessen the fact that the low expectations of behavior in the Middle East reflected in your posts are implicitly racist?

[ImperialistSalvia]

Blaming an entire nation for a privately made film...
Honestly, just withdraw the embassies in question. It's not worth it if a bunch of crazies are gonna get riled up about everything that insults Islam.