Storming of the US Embassies in the Middle East Mega Thread

[Neutraligon]

...You do know these protestors seem not to be the majority of the country. If they managed to keep these protests nonviolent there would be no issue. Also it seems that the actual killings were not done by protestors.

you forget though, in the news world, if it bleeds it leads.

This and my post have nothing to do with each other.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

you forget though, in the news world, if it bleeds it leads.

This and my post have nothing to do with each other.

I mean that the news is blowing this out of proportion, so to most folks it looks like all muslims are blood thirsty extremists(please note that is not my belief that they are)

[Neutraligon]

This and my post have nothing to do with each other.

I mean that the news is blowing this out of proportion, so to most folks it looks like all muslims are blood thirsty extremists(please note that is not my belief that they are)

Ah sorry, I misunderstood.

The president is speaking.

[Alien Space Bats]

Anyway, in terms of situation: demand the local government arrests and extradites everyone involved in storming and murder. If they fail to do so, send in special agents to do the job.

Just so you know: The Libyan government is doing everything we ask when it comes to assisting in the effort to find those responsible for the attack on the Benghazi Consulate. Maybe FOX isn't telling anybody that, but it's true.

As for extradition, why is that important? I'm going to guess that the punishment for attacking a foreign consulate is a lot harsher than anything we could dish out (considering that Libya hangs those convicted of capital crimes) - and the likelihood of conviction is probably far greater, as well.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

I mean that the news is blowing this out of proportion, so to most folks it looks like all muslims are blood thirsty extremists(please note that is not my belief that they are)

Ah sorry, I misunderstood.

The president is speaking.

whats he saying

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Except that in both cases, I absolutely know the most likely outcome of my actions.

The biker should have you thrown out by the bouncer, and should not kill you.

It is still an inexcusable action.

Inexcusable, and yet still to be fully expected within that context. If I didn't wish to be murdered, then I shouldn't have done that.

[Laerod]

I love the fact that some are saying that this is something other than the rioting Muslims fault. And it was Muslims committing this atrocity. I do not condone painting all Muslims as murderous extremists but a good percentage are. This is a failure of Obama and his administration to understand the type of people who were involved in the "Arab Spring". The Muslim Brotherhood is not our friend and trying to court them gets you... well... it gets you what just happened. With just an uninformed, ad hoc foreign policy you should expect to have your allies question you and your foes challenge you.

So before you blame a Jewish plot, a movie, some idiot pastor, a Copt plot, or some other stupidity, perhaps you should look at the ideology that actually condones this behaviour. In Islamic states, this is the type of "Justice" you can expect for blasphemy. I am just sorry those angry Muslims had to do this before the election. Don't they understand that Obama will have more flexibility afterward?

If someone intentionally incites a riot, we should hold them accountable. Doing so by no means absolves the rioters of their guilt.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I love the fact that some are saying that this is something other than the rioting Muslims fault. And it was Muslims committing this atrocity. I do not condone painting all Muslims as murderous extremists but a good percentage are. This is a failure of Obama and his administration to understand the type of people who were involved in the "Arab Spring". The Muslim Brotherhood is not our friend and trying to court them gets you... well... it gets you what just happened. With just an uninformed, ad hoc foreign policy you should expect to have your allies question you and your foes challenge you.

So before you blame a Jewish plot, a movie, some idiot pastor, a Copt plot, or some other stupidity, perhaps you should look at the ideology that actually condones this behaviour. In Islamic states, this is the type of "Justice" you can expect for blasphemy. I am just sorry those angry Muslims had to do this before the election. Don't they understand that Obama will have more flexibility afterward?

If someone intentionally incites a riot, we should hold them accountable. Doing so by no means absolves the rioters of their guilt.

Exactly. Stating that there's enough blame to go around does not equal not holding people accountable for their actions. It spreads the blame to all involved rather than putting it all on one person or group.

[Neutraligon]

Ah sorry, I misunderstood.

The president is speaking.

whats he saying

It was as part of the memorial for the American's killed in Libya who where just brought back to the US. So it was a typically memorial with a little policy involved from Hillary Clinton.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I like how Clinton gave a nod to the gamers and other online friends of the IT tech.

[Neutraligon]

I like how Clinton gave a nod to the gamers and other online friends of the IT tech.

Yeah. These types of memorials are always poignant.

[Gravlen]

I love the fact that some are saying that this is something other than the rioting Muslims fault. And it was Muslims committing this atrocity. I do not condone painting all Muslims as murderous extremists but a good percentage are. This is a failure of Obama and his administration to understand the type of people who were involved in the "Arab Spring". The Muslim Brotherhood is not our friend and trying to court them gets you... well... it gets you what just happened.

Look, you obviously don't have a good understanding of what's going on. It seems like the blame for the US deaths don't lie with the rioting muslims, but with the terrorists whom had planned to attack US interests on the aniversary of 9/11.

So how is it a failure of the Obama administration? Armed with this new knowledge, can you elaborate?

With just an uninformed, ad hoc foreign policy you should expect to have your allies question you and your foes challenge you.

What allies are questioning Obama?

So before you blame a Jewish plot, a movie, some idiot pastor, a Copt plot, or some other stupidity, perhaps you should look at the ideology that actually condones this behaviour. In Islamic states, this is the type of "Justice" you can expect for blasphemy.

So how come the governments tend to not support the actions of the demonstrators?

[Choronzon]

Can someone tell me what the fuck a Jew is doing attacking Islam for being anti-women and filled with violent religious commandments? I've read their tribal laws.

[Khadgar]

Can someone tell me what the fuck a Jew is doing attacking Islam for being anti-women and filled with violent religious commandments? I've read their tribal laws.

Near as I can tell no Jews were involved. The filmmaker is a Coptic Christian. The Jew from Israel was a lie, the guy is from Egypt but now lives in America.

[Ethel mermania]

Wow, this is now getting out of control, as in the what is happening in the Middle East. I don't want the riots to spread into Europe.

I need whoever directed the film to explained what motivated them to create this so we can get the full picture behind the scandal.

It was an egyptian Coptic christian, the muslims in egypt do not treat the copt's very well.

(although to be fair the egyptian response was peaceful)

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/maker_of_sick_flick_is_ex_con_xHfH72PgZhINJ9g2kXdztI
from the NY post

The California filmmaker whose anti-Muslim movie sparked violence across the Middle East is a convicted federal fraudster who may have violated his probation when a trailer for the twisted flick was posted online.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who confirmed yesterday he was involved in making “Innocence of Muslims,” was fined $790,000 and banned from using the Internet for five years after a 2010 conviction for a bank-fraud scheme, records show.

A trailer for the movie, shot in August 2011, was posted on YouTube in July.

Nakoula was released from a 21-month prison sentence in June 2011 and put on probation with the no-Web mandate. It’s unclear whether Nakoula or someone else posted the trailer online.

A spokesman for the Los Angeles federal probation office did not return calls.

Nakoula’s role in making the film, which depicts the Prophet Mohammed as a womanizing, child-abusing tyrant, was revealed after The Associated Press tracked a cellphone number to his Cerritos, Calif., address.

The number was used by a man who called himself “Sam Basile” and who claimed to be the film’s writer-director. Public records show there is nobody by that name in the United States.

Nakoula, whose 13 aliases include two with the surname “Basily,” denied he is Basile but said he is “connected” to him.

The film permit for the flick was issued to an ultra-Christian group headed by Joseph Nassralla, who has protested mosques in New York.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/m ... z26TPxbnAc

[Neutraligon]

Can someone tell me what the fuck a Jew is doing attacking Islam for being anti-women and filled with violent religious commandments? I've read their tribal laws.

Near as I can tell no Jews were involved. The filmmaker is a Coptic Christian. The Jew from Israel was a lie, the guy is from Egypt but now lives in America.

and was a Coptic Christian...

[Choronzon]

Can someone tell me what the fuck a Jew is doing attacking Islam for being anti-women and filled with violent religious commandments? I've read their tribal laws.

Near as I can tell no Jews were involved. The filmmaker is a Coptic Christian. The Jew from Israel was a lie, the guy is from Egypt but now lives in America.

Oh, well I hadn't heard that. Thanks for clearing that up.

That being said, just replace "Jew" with "Christian" and my question remains unchanged.

Near as I can tell no Jews were involved. The filmmaker is a Coptic Christian. The Jew from Israel was a lie, the guy is from Egypt but now lives in America.

and was a Coptic Christian...

Yeah, he said that. Right there. In the middle of his post

[Ethel mermania]

Can someone tell me what the fuck a Jew is doing attacking Islam for being anti-women and filled with violent religious commandments? I've read their tribal laws.

1. it was not a jew. so you are wrong about that.
2. .... well 2 should be self -evident from the intelligence you are showing in your post.

[Neutraligon]

Near as I can tell no Jews were involved. The filmmaker is a Coptic Christian. The Jew from Israel was a lie, the guy is from Egypt but now lives in America.

Oh, well I hadn't heard that. Thanks for clearing that up.

That being said, just replace "Jew" with "Christian" and my question remains unchanged.

and was a Coptic Christian...

Yeah, he said that. Right there. In the middle of his post

That's what happens when you are only half paying attention.

[Choronzon]

Can someone tell me what the fuck a Jew is doing attacking Islam for being anti-women and filled with violent religious commandments? I've read their tribal laws.

1. it was not a jew. so you are wrong about that.

As of yesterday everyone said it was a Jew. Sorry I don't follow this story 24/7. I have a job and a life.

2. .... well 2 should be self -evident from the intelligence you are showing in your post.

Reported for flamebaiting.

Why don't you tell me what ought to be self evident kiddo. Explain to me what right a Christian has to attack Islam for religious commandments that Christianity also has.

[Laerod]

Near as I can tell no Jews were involved. The filmmaker is a Coptic Christian. The Jew from Israel was a lie, the guy is from Egypt but now lives in America.

Oh, well I hadn't heard that. Thanks for clearing that up.

That being said, just replace "Jew" with "Christian" and my question remains unchanged.

And no less generalized than the claim that all muslims are out rioting.

[Choronzon]

Oh, well I hadn't heard that. Thanks for clearing that up.

That being said, just replace "Jew" with "Christian" and my question remains unchanged.

And no less generalized than the claim that all muslims are out rioting.

Saying that Christianity has commandments that are equally violent and anti-women as those found in Islam is in no way generalizing. Its a fucking fact.

Sorry that this question seems to have hurt some Christians' feelings.

[Northern Dominus]

Wow, this is now getting out of control, as in the what is happening in the Middle East. I don't want the riots to spread into Europe.

I need whoever directed the film to explained what motivated them to create this so we can get the full picture behind the scandal.

It was an egyptian Coptic christian, the muslims in egypt do not treat the copt's very well.

(although to be fair the egyptian response was peaceful)

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/maker_of_sick_flick_is_ex_con_xHfH72PgZhINJ9g2kXdztI
from the NY post

The California filmmaker whose anti-Muslim movie sparked violence across the Middle East is a convicted federal fraudster who may have violated his probation when a trailer for the twisted flick was posted online.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who confirmed yesterday he was involved in making “Innocence of Muslims,” was fined $790,000 and banned from using the Internet for five years after a 2010 conviction for a bank-fraud scheme, records show.

A trailer for the movie, shot in August 2011, was posted on YouTube in July.

Nakoula was released from a 21-month prison sentence in June 2011 and put on probation with the no-Web mandate. It’s unclear whether Nakoula or someone else posted the trailer online.

A spokesman for the Los Angeles federal probation office did not return calls.

Nakoula’s role in making the film, which depicts the Prophet Mohammed as a womanizing, child-abusing tyrant, was revealed after The Associated Press tracked a cellphone number to his Cerritos, Calif., address.

The number was used by a man who called himself “Sam Basile” and who claimed to be the film’s writer-director. Public records show there is nobody by that name in the United States.

Nakoula, whose 13 aliases include two with the surname “Basily,” denied he is Basile but said he is “connected” to him.

The film permit for the flick was issued to an ultra-Christian group headed by Joseph Nassralla, who has protested mosques in New York.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/m ... z26TPxbnAc

Does this asshole really think he's fooling anybody? Or that he's complicit in this new wave of protests and diplomatic snafu? Or that he doesn't richly deserve a public caning with a kendo stick, complete with immediete upload to youtube?

[Wamitoria]

Can someone tell me what the fuck a Jew is doing attacking Islam for being anti-women and filled with violent religious commandments? I've read their tribal laws.

Because we Jews just love stonings these days.

[Choronzon]

As an aside, I did not know that you could be legally banned from internet use.

Interesting.