Bush Administration ignored American Al Qaeda threat

[Not Safe For Work]

Tell me something I don't know.

Ulaγanbaγatur is the capital city of Mongolia.

*nods*

[Free Soviets]

Good god, man. This isn't news. This was in the 9/11 Commission Report.

Don't you people read anything?

this stuff is the stuff that didn't make it into that report. basically, its about how its all even worse than we knew. bush was already quite clearly one of the worst post-reconstruction presidents. now we have to lower our opinions of him just a bit more.

[Mavorpen]

Good god, man. This isn't news. This was in the 9/11 Commission Report.

Don't you people read anything?

this stuff is the stuff that didn't make it into that report. basically, its about how its all even worse than we knew. bush was already quite clearly one of the worst post-reconstruction presidents. now we have to lower our opinions of him just a bit more.

Is this even possible?

[Gauthier]

this stuff is the stuff that didn't make it into that report. basically, its about how its all even worse than we knew. bush was already quite clearly one of the worst post-reconstruction presidents. now we have to lower our opinions of him just a bit more.

Is this even possible?

So far looks necessary.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Bush was an idiot, but I don't blame him for not taking this seriously.

[Free Soviets]

this stuff is the stuff that didn't make it into that report. basically, its about how its all even worse than we knew. bush was already quite clearly one of the worst post-reconstruction presidents. now we have to lower our opinions of him just a bit more.

Is this even possible?

hey, he's no andrew johnson or james buchanan.

[4years]

Tell me something I don't know.

Ulaγanbaγatur is the capital city of Mongolia.

*nods*

Oh, good. I learned somthing new after all.

[AuSable River]

$50 trillion in unfunded debt and American manufacturing declining last month with GM losing money hand over fist while they are still building more plants and selling more cars in china than the USA.

Who cares if they are selling more cars in China as long as a US company is selling cars, right? All the money is going to the top right? Trickle down economics right? Don't you understand economics? But lets not jack the thread, shall we?

funny you make a falacious and hypocritical argument "not to jack the thread "which is exactly what you did by cherry picking a single comment while rejecting the substance of my post on the subject matter.

[Pope Joan]

This news is at least four years old. Probably eight.

This is brand new information from today on NYT.

How is this news 4 years old?

The NYT has gone to hell.

Cost cutting, I suppose.

They claimed my university was a fraud because we held classes online, and then gushed over Harvard and Stanford when they did the same.

Clear evidence of lack of brainpower.

[Miyager]

in sum, give it a rest dude ---- obama has raised the deficit over $6 trillion in the last 3 years and we have poverty levels at their highest level since the early 60s with more Americans as a percentage of population not working. $50 trillion in unfunded debt and American manufacturing declining last month with GM losing money hand over fist while they are still building more plants and selling more cars in china than the USA.

This has nothing to do with the topic, at all.

[Krintera]

The Bush admin fucked up. We lost thousands of our countrymen.

Thousand of americans died in the attack.
Quite a few more have died in the following military actions, and odds are few more will die from the f***ed up economic situation that the war on terror caused, meaning that the US couldn't ride of a depression.

But we can't honor their memory by pointing fingers.

But really, what can you do?
Let their murderes go free?

[AuSable River]

in sum, give it a rest dude ---- obama has raised the deficit over $6 trillion in the last 3 years and we have poverty levels at their highest level since the early 60s with more Americans as a percentage of population not working. $50 trillion in unfunded debt and American manufacturing declining last month with GM losing money hand over fist while they are still building more plants and selling more cars in china than the USA.

When Clinton attacked Al-Qaeda he was accused of trying to distract from the Republican witch hunt against him. Nice that you forget that, or hoped we would. Also, GM made:

Net revenue in the second quarter of 2012 was $37.6 billion,

If you're going to lie, which you so often do, don't lie about shit that is both easily verified and publicly available.

Regarding GM and your naive dependence on a single quarterly report:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/838871- ... bankruptcy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhi ... tcy-again/

Moreover, you have forgotten the $25 billion that the company still owes the US taxpayer which is far more than the automaker has made in the last 5 years.

indeed, statists dont include this taxpayer plunder to the balance sheet because it undermines their absurd notion that government is economically responsible.

With respect to clinton -- your response is the mother of all red herrings since I have never mentioned the lewinsky scandal in any post on this forum or any other.

The bottom line is that al qaeda planned and funded and put into operational phase the attacks of 9/11 while Clinton was president --- not george bush.

moreover, clinton was offered bin laden by the sudanese and he turned them down cold:

Clinton: So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [al Qaeda]. We got – well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we’d been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, ’cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn’t and that’s how he wound up in Afghanistan.

In sum, if you're going to lie, which you so often do, don't lie about shit that is both easily verified and publicly available.

[Frisivisia]

When Clinton attacked Al-Qaeda he was accused of trying to distract from the Republican witch hunt against him. Nice that you forget that, or hoped we would. Also, GM made:



If you're going to lie, which you so often do, don't lie about shit that is both easily verified and publicly available.

Regarding GM and your naive dependence on a single quarterly report:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/838871- ... bankruptcy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhi ... tcy-again/

Moreover, you have forgotten the $25 billion that the company still owes the US taxpayer which is far more than the automaker has made in the last 5 years.

indeed, statists dont include this taxpayer plunder to the balance sheet because it undermines their absurd notion that government is economically responsible.

With respect to clinton -- your response is the mother of all red herrings since I have never mentioned the lewinsky scandal in any post on this forum or any other.

The bottom line is that al qaeda planned and funded and put into operational phase the attacks of 9/11 while Clinton was president --- not george bush.

moreover, clinton was offered bin laden by the sudanese and he turned them down cold:

Clinton: So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [al Qaeda]. We got – well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we’d been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, ’cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn’t and that’s how he wound up in Afghanistan.

In sum, if you're going to lie, which you so often do, don't lie about shit that is both easily verified and publicly available.

George Bush knew that Al Qaeda was going to hijack planes sometime in that timeframe. Sure they might have planned it during the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration failed to stop it, even with foreknowledge of it. That's bad, mmkay?

[AuSable River]

in sum, give it a rest dude ---- obama has raised the deficit over $6 trillion in the last 3 years and we have poverty levels at their highest level since the early 60s with more Americans as a percentage of population not working. $50 trillion in unfunded debt and American manufacturing declining last month with GM losing money hand over fist while they are still building more plants and selling more cars in china than the USA.

This has nothing to do with the topic, at all.

I was providing context to what I consider conspiracy theory minitua of dubious intellectual, social, political, or economic value when compared to the problems the republic faces today from government waste, corruption, and inefficiency ($50 trillion unfunded debt).

however, it is telling that the substantive of my post was a refutation of the OP and all that has been countered is my last comment which was just a sideshow.

Why not counter the substance of my post?

it seems a common tactic that those on the left will ignore the substantive of an opposing argument by focusing on an insignificant semantic or minor peripheral point in an otherwise long on topic post.

[AuSable River]

Regarding GM and your naive dependence on a single quarterly report:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/838871- ... bankruptcy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhi ... tcy-again/

Moreover, you have forgotten the $25 billion that the company still owes the US taxpayer which is far more than the automaker has made in the last 5 years.

indeed, statists dont include this taxpayer plunder to the balance sheet because it undermines their absurd notion that government is economically responsible.

With respect to clinton -- your response is the mother of all red herrings since I have never mentioned the lewinsky scandal in any post on this forum or any other.

The bottom line is that al qaeda planned and funded and put into operational phase the attacks of 9/11 while Clinton was president --- not george bush.

moreover, clinton was offered bin laden by the sudanese and he turned them down cold:



In sum, if you're going to lie, which you so often do, don't lie about shit that is both easily verified and publicly available.

George Bush knew that Al Qaeda was going to hijack planes sometime in that timeframe. Sure they might have planned it during the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration failed to stop it, even with foreknowledge of it. That's bad, mmkay?

Yeah, bush failed to stop the attack, but I doubt anyone else would have either.

There is really nothing that clinton, bush, obama, or any other chief executive can do to stop a determined group of automatons hell bent on dying for their cause.

It is going to happen again --lets just make sure it is not a WMD attack -- we do have the means to stop these, at least with present technology.

of course, when WMD technology improves by becoming less expensive, more portable, more compact, easier to hide, less lethal to handle, and less easy to verify its origin--- then all bets are off the table.

[Miyager]

This has nothing to do with the topic, at all.

I was providing context to what I consider conspiracy theory minitua of dubious intellectual, social, political, or economic value when compared to the problems the republic faces today from government waste, corruption, and inefficiency ($50 trillion unfunded debt).

however, it is telling that the substantive of my post was a refutation of the OP and all that has been countered is my last comment which was just a sideshow.

Why not counter the substance of my post?

it seems a common tactic that those on the left will ignore the substantive of an opposing argument by focusing on an insignificant semantic or minor peripheral point in an otherwise long on topic post.

But I'm actually not refuting anything else in your argument. In fact I agree for the most part, I put little if any blame on Bush for this.