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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:01 pm

New York Times wrote:IT was perhaps the most famous presidential briefing in history.

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief — and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.

“The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack, as well as competitive pressures that the terrorist leader was feeling, given the number of Islamists being recruited for the separatist Russian region of Chechnya.

And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed. Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have “dramatic consequences,” including major casualties. On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but “will occur soon.” Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the planned assault was on track.

Yet, the White House failed to take significant action. Officials at the Counterterrorism Center of the C.I.A. grew apoplectic. On July 9, at a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place, two people who were there told me in interviews. The suggestion was batted down, they said, because there would be no time to train anyone else.

That same day in Chechnya, according to intelligence I reviewed, Ibn Al-Khattab, an extremist who was known for his brutality and his links to Al Qaeda, told his followers that there would soon be very big news. Within 48 hours, an intelligence official told me, that information was conveyed to the White House, providing more data supporting the C.I.A.’s warnings. Still, the alarm bells didn’t sound.

On July 24, Mr. Bush was notified that the attack was still being readied, but that it had been postponed, perhaps by a few months. But the president did not feel the briefings on potential attacks were sufficient, one intelligence official told me, and instead asked for a broader analysis on Al Qaeda, its aspirations and its history. In response, the C.I.A. set to work on the Aug. 6 brief.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react.

Could the 9/11 attack have been stopped, had the Bush team reacted with urgency to the warnings contained in all of those daily briefs? We can’t ever know. And that may be the most agonizing reality of all.

Kurt Eichenwald, a contributing editor at Vanity Fair and a former reporter for The New York Times, is the author of “500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars.”

So, the Bush administration was warned of Al Qaeda cells in the US prior to 9/11 and did diddly squat about it. That's what I'm getting out of this.

When I first read this article, I was a combination of shocked, pissed off, disgusted, and utterly horrified that this is possible. The sheer utter stupidity that plagues the very remnants of the Bush administration...

I'm lost for words.

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Postby Khadgar » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:03 pm

This news is at least four years old. Probably eight.

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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:05 pm

Khadgar wrote:This news is at least four years old. Probably eight.

This is brand new information from today on NYT.

How is this news 4 years old?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:10 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Khadgar wrote:This news is at least four years old. Probably eight.

This is brand new information from today on NYT.

How is this news 4 years old?

Well ... Also the main article on Richard Clarke.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:10 pm

the idea that george w bush dropped the ball on alqaeda and didnt take reports of imminent attacks seriously has been known (and obvious) for a long time. this new article puts in new details of just how much warning the bush administration had and how egregious his inattention was.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:12 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Khadgar wrote:This news is at least four years old. Probably eight.

This is brand new information from today on NYT.

How is this news 4 years old?

I don't know, the years old Wikipedia article with sources from as far back as 2005?

As well as the book that Farn linked, I suppose.
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Ashmoria wrote:the idea that george w bush dropped the ball on alqaeda and didnt take reports of imminent attacks seriously has been known (and obvious) for a long time. this new article puts in new details of just how much warning the bush administration had and how egregious his inattention was.

Indeed. I've known about ignoring threats of attacks, but I did not (nor did anyone else on this thread) know that he ignored actual information about Al Qaeda cells in America.
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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:14 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:This is brand new information from today on NYT.

How is this news 4 years old?

Well ... Also the main article on Richard Clarke.

That does not say that Bush had the chance to act against the Al Qaeda cell on American soil and turned it down, does it?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:16 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Well ... Also the main article on Richard Clarke.

That does not say that Bush had the chance to act against the Al Qaeda cell on American soil and turned it down, does it?

I suppose not. But as you said, that's a new detail. The fact that the Bush administration pooh-poohed the threat has long been known.
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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:20 pm

The Bush admin fucked up. We lost thousands of our countrymen. But we can't honor their memory by pointing fingers.
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Imperium Nova Roma wrote:The Bush admin fucked up. We lost thousands of our countrymen. But we can't honor their memory by pointing fingers.


I wasn't a big fan of Bush, but I really liked how he responded initially, he really rallied the people and everyone loved that.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:23 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:the idea that george w bush dropped the ball on alqaeda and didnt take reports of imminent attacks seriously has been known (and obvious) for a long time. this new article puts in new details of just how much warning the bush administration had and how egregious his inattention was.

Indeed. I've known about ignoring threats of attacks, but I did not (nor did anyone else on this thread) know that he ignored actual information about Al Qaeda cells in America.

i try to ignore this stuff. its too upsetting to know that the president was so stupid and cavalier about the safety of the public.
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Imperium Nova Roma wrote:The Bush admin fucked up. We lost thousands of our countrymen. But we can't honor their memory by pointing fingers.


I wasn't a big fan of Bush, but I really liked how he responded initially, he really rallied the people and everyone loved that.



He told us to go shopping. How was that rallying the people apropriately?
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North Calaveras wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of Bush, but I really liked how he responded initially, he really rallied the people and everyone loved that.



He told us to go shopping. How was that rallying the people apropriately?


I thought the way he rallied New York city was impressive, lots of people and indeed America shared a moment there where we were all truly unified.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:03 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

He told us to go shopping. How was that rallying the people apropriately?


I thought the way he rallied New York city was impressive, lots of people and indeed America shared a moment there where we were all truly unified.

Yes. And the world stood at our side, most of the world, anyway. Then he went and threw it all away by attacking Iraq.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:12 pm

This isn't really anything all that new.

They dun' goofed. Whether it's because there were other more pressing matters (none come to mind off the top of my head, but I could be getting a faulty memory in my old age) that took attention away from it, or because it wasn't presented as critically important as it needed to be (which seems unlikely if we take this news at its word), or because there wasn't anything that could be done due to government incompetence or a lack of analysts able to "connect the dots" as this article puts it, is largely irrelevant. There was a cock-up in the intelligence gathering, analyzing and executing portions of government (largely in the 'analyzing and executing' portions it seems) that failed to see this coming or take actions that may possibly could've helped in some way.

The problem is, hindsight is 20/20 and while I certainly don't doubt there were rumblings of trouble before the attacks, it is hard to pin it down after the fact and say "Aha! HERE is where there is an obvious burden of proof that suggests [x]! Who was being negligent!" when where the burden of proof lies in aided by the fact that we know what all these seemingly unrelated tidbits of information are leading up to.
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Postby Kohlastan » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:14 pm

Yeah the ignored several warning signs
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Postby Miss Defied » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:15 pm

No. Just no.
Intelligence suggested that terorists may have been planning attacks with aircraft specifically to the point of possibly training as pilots. Would it have been nice if dots had been connected to prevent this? Yes. Was the government negligent in specifically preventing this attack on this day?
Can't really say so so, no.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:16 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:This isn't really anything all that new.

They dun' goofed. Whether it's because there were other more pressing matters (none come to mind off the top of my head, but I could be getting a faulty memory in my old age) that took attention away from it, or because it wasn't presented as critically important as it needed to be (which seems unlikely if we take this news at its word), or because there wasn't anything that could be done due to government incompetence or a lack of analysts able to "connect the dots" as this article puts it, is largely irrelevant. There was a cock-up in the intelligence gathering, analyzing and executing portions of government (largely in the 'analyzing and executing' portions it seems) that failed to see this coming or take actions that may possibly could've helped in some way.

The problem is, hindsight is 20/20 and while I certainly don't doubt there were rumblings of trouble before the attacks, it is hard to pin it down after the fact and say "Aha! HERE is where there is an obvious burden of proof that suggests [x]! Who was being negligent!" when where the burden of proof lies in aided by the fact that we know what all these seemingly unrelated tidbits of information are leading up to.

I suppose, but dismissing a brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." from a man who had been dealing with international terrorism since the first Bush administration is a pretty bad screw-up.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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I thought the way he rallied New York city was impressive, lots of people and indeed America shared a moment there where we were all truly unified.

Yes. And the world stood at our side, most of the world, anyway. Then he went and threw it all away by attacking Iraq.


Hey, the UK and many other nations did form a "coalition of the willing" so to speak so, I guess they are all to blame.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:17 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Yes. And the world stood at our side, most of the world, anyway. Then he went and threw it all away by attacking Iraq.


Hey, the UK and many other nations did form a "coalition of the willing" so to speak so, I guess they are all to blame.

Yes, they were enablers. But then again, Bush came into office looking for an excuse to go after Saddam. That bad man did threaten Poppy Bush, after all.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:18 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Hey, the UK and many other nations did form a "coalition of the willing" so to speak so, I guess they are all to blame.

Yes, they were enablers. But then again, Bush came into office looking for an excuse to go after Saddam. That bad man did threaten Poppy Bush, after all.


Hey I didn't agree with the Iraq war either, I'm just saying Bush did some good things and the blame for the Iraq war isn't all on him.
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Postby Druidville » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:19 pm

...cause, like FDR totally KNEW about the Jap threat and ignored it!

People are dead, and this is how the NYT wants to waste time, trashing Bush? I have some news for them: Bush has been out of office three, nearly FOUR YEARS now. I wish they'd quit being such an obvious tool of the DNC and get back to actual news.
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Postby Miss Defied » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:19 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of Bush, but I really liked how he responded initially, he really rallied the people and everyone loved that.



He told us to go shopping. How was that rallying the people apropriately?

It wasn't the greatest idea to go shopping. The first thing he should have done was to say, "About those tax cuts, sorry, repealing that shit, we have work to do and we need to fund it."
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:22 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I wasn't a big fan of Bush, but I really liked how he responded initially, he really rallied the people and everyone loved that.



He told us to go shopping. How was that rallying the people apropriately?

Relatively speaking, rallying the people by telling them to go shopping is pretty appropriate.

I mean, relative to rallying them to go to war with a country that didn't have anything to do with the attacks, it's a HELLUVA lot more appropriate.
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