Affirmative Action

[Norstal]

The American with Disability Act isn't working?

Then how come I keep seeing those blue wheelchair symbols everywhere.

You seem to be confusing accommodation with affirmative action.

Explain why it's included in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmativ ... al_history

[Norsklow]

How come I see you claiming that you're still not getting the square deal?

Do you have problems with reading comprehension or something?

There's different areas of affirmative action. It's not a single monolithic policy that encompasses everything about a person. Currently we have one that effectively protects disabled, veterans, etc. but not ones for others.

I would support it - if it did. But it doesn't.

You really think those ramps and those parking spots for the handicapped existed everywhere before the legislation don't you?

You seem to be confusing accommodation with affirmative action.

Greed and death.

It's Johhny C- White slipping an affirmative action clause in that costs him nothing. Janie C- White likewise. The left feathered its own nest.

[Mavorpen]

The American with Disability Act isn't working?

Then how come I keep seeing those blue wheelchair symbols everywhere.

You seem to be confusing accommodation with affirmative action.

Title II—Public entities (and public transportation)
See 42 U.S.C. §§ 12131–12165.




Access sign
Title II prohibits disability discrimination by all public entities at the local (i.e. school district, municipal, city, county) and state level. Public entities must comply with Title II regulations by the U.S. Department of Justice. These regulations cover access to all programs and services offered by the entity. Access includes physical access described in the ADA Standards for Accessible Design and programmatic access that might be obstructed by discriminatory policies or procedures of the entity.

Title II applies to public transportation provided by public entities through regulations by the U.S. Department of Transportation. It includes the National Railroad Passenger Corporation, along with all other commuter authorities. This section requires the provision of paratransit services by public entities that provide fixed route services.


Title II also applies to all state and local public housing, housing assistance, and housing referrals. The Office of Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity is charged with enforcing this provision.

[Greed and Death]

You seem to be confusing accommodation with affirmative action.

Title II—Public entities (and public transportation)
See 42 U.S.C. §§ 12131–12165.




Access sign
Title II prohibits disability discrimination by all public entities at the local (i.e. school district, municipal, city, county) and state level. Public entities must comply with Title II regulations by the U.S. Department of Justice. These regulations cover access to all programs and services offered by the entity. Access includes physical access described in the ADA Standards for Accessible Design and programmatic access that might be obstructed by discriminatory policies or procedures of the entity.

Title II applies to public transportation provided by public entities through regulations by the U.S. Department of Transportation. It includes the National Railroad Passenger Corporation, along with all other commuter authorities. This section requires the provision of paratransit services by public entities that provide fixed route services.


Title II also applies to all state and local public housing, housing assistance, and housing referrals. The Office of Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity is charged with enforcing this provision.

And that translates to extra consideration in admissions and hiring how ?

[Mavorpen]

And that translates to extra consideration in admissions and hiring how ?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Are you in the right thread?

[Republic of Liberty and Freedom]

Its not just Yanks who have to deal with "Affirmative Action".The EU is going to try to enforce quotas for female CEO's in companies.
http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/reding-go-40-gender-quota-compan-news-514589
South Africa has also had its own botched version of Affirmative action...
http://www.newstatesman.com/africa/2010/06/south-world-anc-party-zuma
In businesss^^^^
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/world/africa/23safrica.html?pagewanted=all
And in education^^^^

[Mavorpen]

Its not just Yanks who have to deal with "Affirmative Action".The EU is going to try to enforce quotas for female CEO's in companies.
http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/reding-go-40-gender-quota-compan-news-514589
South Africa has also had its own botched version of Affirmative action...
http://www.newstatesman.com/africa/2010/06/south-world-anc-party-zuma
In businesss^^^^
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/world/africa/23safrica.html?pagewanted=all
And in education^^^^

That's nice.

[Norsklow]

Its not just Yanks who have to deal with "Affirmative Action".The EU is going to try to enforce quotas for female CEO's in companies.
http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/reding-go-40-gender-quota-compan-news-514589
South Africa has also had its own botched version of Affirmative action...
http://www.newstatesman.com/africa/2010/06/south-world-anc-party-zuma
In businesss^^^^
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/world/africa/23safrica.html?pagewanted=all
And in education^^^^

That's nice.

Another example of Municipal Socialism - the left feathering it's own nest.

[Fluffy Coyotes]

That's an insult to socialism. At least socialism focuses on whether or not someone is poor, rather than their sex or their race.

If so, so what? Socialism cannot be condemned severely enough as long as it has one adherent.

Have a wiki-pizza-slice

Municipal socialism’ became an avenue that Labour used to retain the allegiance of the new labour aristocracy from the public sector. Many jobs and ‘non-jobs’ were given to this already privileged layer as the left feathered its own nest.

I disagree. Genuine socialism can be a good thing. The kind of thing you point out is less a problem inherent in socialism and more an issue of not enough scrutiny applied to government officials.

[Norsklow]

If so, so what? Socialism cannot be condemned severely enough as long as it has one adherent.

Have a wiki-pizza-slice

I disagree. Genuine socialism can be a good thing. The kind of thing you point out is less a problem inherent in socialism and more an issue of not enough scrutiny applied to government officials.

The socialists are the officials in question - acting on a premeditated policy.
Socialism is the cancer. Eradication is the answer.

[Mavorpen]

That's nice.

Another example of Municipal Socialism - the left feathering it's own nest.

Go read Jabberwocky. Then read your posts. That poem makes more sense than your posts.

[Saiwania]

Despite the fact that the person you're talking to is an upper class heterosexual white male?

So why would you be for policies which would intentionally put your demographic group at a disadvantage to benefit other groups?

[Big Jim P]

Despite the fact that the person you're talking to is an upper class heterosexual white male?

So why would you be for policies which would purposefully put your demographic group at a disadvantage?

White guilt.

[Mavorpen]

Despite the fact that the person you're talking to is an upper class heterosexual white male?

So why would you be for policies which would purposefully put your demographic group at a disadvantage?

Because he understands that it doesn't do that. And he isn't a conspiracy theorist screaming, "BLAKCS TAKKIN UR JERBS!"

[Gravlen]

Its not just Yanks who have to deal with "Affirmative Action".The EU is going to try to enforce quotas for female CEO's in companies.
http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/reding-go-40-gender-quota-compan-news-514589

Meanwhile, in Norway...

It has now been nine and a half years since the country's then Economy Minister Ansgar Gabrielsen stirred things up by calling for market-listed companies to fill 40 percent of the seats on their corporate supervisory boards with women. Business representatives were outraged, but the parliament voted by a wide majority to enact a law requiring the firms to fulfil the gender quota within five years. Those who failed to do so within this time frame were threatened with sanctions, and in extreme cases, even the forced liquidation of the company -- the same punishment for other grave violations of stock corporation law.

Norway, though, has shown that legal mandates are successful; Norwegian companies found enough women for the corporate boards, and then some. Before the law was passed women made up just 7 percent of the seats on supervisory boards. There is now talk of expanding the quota to include other types of companies.

"The quota has had the effect that women also now feel like they are seen as candidates for executive management positions," says Liv Monica Stubholt. A business lawyer, Stubholt served as state secretary in both the Norwegian foreign and energy ministries and now works as deputy director for Kvaerner, an engineering firm that produces offshore platforms.

Stubholt believes a quota is necessary, because only by exceeding a critical mass of at least 30 percent women can a situation be established where "masculine behavior is no longer the only thing acceptable," she says. "Even as a woman I must be careful not to view other women through a masculine lens," she says. "Women who are quiet are seen as weak, while women who are loud are seen as aggressive. For men, the same qualities are seen as thoughtfulness and strength, respectively. Overall, women have a narrower range of accepted behavior."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/how-norway-led-the-way-in-gender-quota-success-a-835738.html

[Republic of Liberty and Freedom]

Its not just Yanks who have to deal with "Affirmative Action".The EU is going to try to enforce quotas for female CEO's in companies.
http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/reding-go-40-gender-quota-compan-news-514589

Meanwhile, in Norway...

It has now been nine and a half years since the country's then Economy Minister Ansgar Gabrielsen stirred things up by calling for market-listed companies to fill 40 percent of the seats on their corporate supervisory boards with women. Business representatives were outraged, but the parliament voted by a wide majority to enact a law requiring the firms to fulfil the gender quota within five years. Those who failed to do so within this time frame were threatened with sanctions, and in extreme cases, even the forced liquidation of the company -- the same punishment for other grave violations of stock corporation law.

Norway, though, has shown that legal mandates are successful; Norwegian companies found enough women for the corporate boards, and then some. Before the law was passed women made up just 7 percent of the seats on supervisory boards. There is now talk of expanding the quota to include other types of companies.

"The quota has had the effect that women also now feel like they are seen as candidates for executive management positions," says Liv Monica Stubholt. A business lawyer, Stubholt served as state secretary in both the Norwegian foreign and energy ministries and now works as deputy director for Kvaerner, an engineering firm that produces offshore platforms.

Stubholt believes a quota is necessary, because only by exceeding a critical mass of at least 30 percent women can a situation be established where "masculine behavior is no longer the only thing acceptable," she says. "Even as a woman I must be careful not to view other women through a masculine lens," she says. "Women who are quiet are seen as weak, while women who are loud are seen as aggressive. For men, the same qualities are seen as thoughtfulness and strength, respectively. Overall, women have a narrower range of accepted behavior."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/how-norway-led-the-way-in-gender-quota-success-a-835738.html

I actually cant believe this is happening...its fucking insane.

[Norsklow]

Another example of Municipal Socialism - the left feathering it's own nest.

Go read Jabberwocky. Then read your posts. That poem makes more sense than your posts.

Running out of errors?
Just like the capitalism thread. When your script runs out, you are in the dark. I wonder if you wrote your own. Well, that is pre-doctorals for you.

[Gravlen]

Despite the fact that the person you're talking to is an upper class heterosexual white male?

So why would you be for policies which would intentionally put your demographic group at a disadvantage to benefit other groups?

I'm curious:

How did that myth come to be viewed as fact by you? Did you ever attempt critical thinking? Did you ever try to find out what affirmative action actually is, or were you satisfied just going by the myths / what someone complained about down at the pub / the unfounded ramblings of a blog?

[Yewhohohopia]

Despite the fact that the person you're talking to is an upper class heterosexual white male?

So why would you be for policies which would intentionally put your demographic group at a disadvantage to benefit other groups?

Maybe, right, just maybe, they would intentionally seek to increase the diversity of management types, the legal sector, finance etc., which might lead to some different, and possibly better theories on How To Do Things, rather than just letting things stagnate. Maybe the long game exists.

[Gravlen]

Meanwhile, in Norway...

It has now been nine and a half years since the country's then Economy Minister Ansgar Gabrielsen stirred things up by calling for market-listed companies to fill 40 percent of the seats on their corporate supervisory boards with women. Business representatives were outraged, but the parliament voted by a wide majority to enact a law requiring the firms to fulfil the gender quota within five years. Those who failed to do so within this time frame were threatened with sanctions, and in extreme cases, even the forced liquidation of the company -- the same punishment for other grave violations of stock corporation law.

Norway, though, has shown that legal mandates are successful; Norwegian companies found enough women for the corporate boards, and then some. Before the law was passed women made up just 7 percent of the seats on supervisory boards. There is now talk of expanding the quota to include other types of companies.

"The quota has had the effect that women also now feel like they are seen as candidates for executive management positions," says Liv Monica Stubholt. A business lawyer, Stubholt served as state secretary in both the Norwegian foreign and energy ministries and now works as deputy director for Kvaerner, an engineering firm that produces offshore platforms.

Stubholt believes a quota is necessary, because only by exceeding a critical mass of at least 30 percent women can a situation be established where "masculine behavior is no longer the only thing acceptable," she says. "Even as a woman I must be careful not to view other women through a masculine lens," she says. "Women who are quiet are seen as weak, while women who are loud are seen as aggressive. For men, the same qualities are seen as thoughtfulness and strength, respectively. Overall, women have a narrower range of accepted behavior."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/how-norway-led-the-way-in-gender-quota-success-a-835738.html

I actually cant believe this is happening...its fucking insane.

Yet it works surprisingly well.

[Neo Art]

Despite the fact that the person you're talking to is an upper class heterosexual white male?

So why would you be for policies which would intentionally put your demographic group at a disadvantage to benefit other groups?

Because I recognize that I already have significant benefits merely by being present in that demographic. And as an intellectually and ethically honest person, I support policies that seek to end advantages (or disadvantages) acquired merely by virtue of ones own race gender, religion, or sexuality. In fact, any person claiming to be moral is ethically REQUIRED to do so, even if doing so places him at a disadvantage. It's what ethical people do.

So the bigger question is not why I do. The more important question is, why don't you?

[Mavorpen]

Go read Jabberwocky. Then read your posts. That poem makes more sense than your posts.

Running out of errors?
Just like the capitalism thread. When your script runs out, you are in the dark. I wonder if you wrote your own. Well, that is pre-doctorals for you.

Nah. As others have pointed out, your posts are as nonsensical as you can get. The capitalism thread was you throwing straw man's left and right. But it's nice how you can't debate so you say, "LUL, IN THE OTHER THRED"

[Norsklow]

It means it works it works if only you accept 'equal outcomes' rather than equal opportunity.

I shall believe that it works once it starts giving every victory to the Danny A+ and Danielle A+ - and always leaves Johnny C- and Janie C- zilch

[Norsklow]

Running out of errors?
Just like the capitalism thread. When your script runs out, you are in the dark. I wonder if you wrote your own. Well, that is pre-doctorals for you.

Nah. As others have pointed out, your posts are as nonsensical as you can get. The capitalism thread was you throwing straw man's left and right. But it's nice how you can't debate so you say, "LUL, IN THE OTHER THRED"

Which straw men? Substantiate, I say!

[Costa Alegria]

I dislike it. To be honest, it's not because I am a racist or anything, but because the government in New Zealand seems to reject any notions that other ethnicities aren't entitled to certain things, or even exist.

We're talking about a multi-cultural country that is officially bi-cultural. There are other disadvantaged people out there other than Maori/Pacific Islander people.